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All-Stars and what their teams got for them up to when they reached UFA:
Bottom line up front:
3 of 35 signed as UFAs with the team they were with going into UFA: Wade, Parker, Joe Johnson.
3 of 35 signed extensions before they went to UFA: Z-bo, Gasol, Jameer
5 of 35 were traded immediately prior to UFA, whether forced or not: Deron, Melo, Howard, Marion, CP3
1 of 35 was a UFA S&T (Lee)
2 of 35 retired as UFAs (Yao, Wally)
21 of 35 left for nothing but cap space and/or 2nds/trade exceptions (everyone else)

So, going back to the 1999 draft (only a 6 year+ sample size), less than 10% of UFAs who make it to UFA sign with their old team. Another 10% sign extensions (which can now only happen in last year of the deal). 5 were traded (6 if you count Lee's S&T) so the old team got something for them. But 23 of 35 All-Stars who hit FA gave their old team nothing in return but maybe a 2nd rounder and trade exception/cap space.

2005: (0/4 with original team. 2 forced trades before UFA, 1 will leave for nothing, 1 left via UFA S&T)
Deron (not with UTH--forced trade before UFA)
CP3 (not with NOH--forced trade before UFA)
Bynum (not with LAL--traded before UFA. PHI will probably lose him via UFA for nothing)
Lee (not with NYK--left via UFA S&T)

2004: (1 of 3 still with team, Deng & Harris still not UFA. 1 traded, 1 left for nothing)
Howard (not with ORL--demanded trade before UFA)
Harris (not with DAL--traded for Jason Kidd while on rookie deal. Still not UFA)
**Deng (still with CHI--human trade rumor, and hasn't become UFA yet)
Iguodala (not with PHI--left DEN via UFA for nothing)
Jameer (still with ORL--signed extension)

2003: (1 for 7--and the only one is Wade. Mo still isn't UFA. 1 traded, 5 left for nothing )
LeBron (not with CLE--left in UFA for nothing)
Melo (not with DEN--demanded trade)
Wade (with MIA--resigned with Superfriends)
Bosh (not with TOR--left in UFA for nothing)
Kaman (not with LAC--traded before UFA then left NOH for nothing )
West (not with NOH--left as UFA for nothing)
Howard (not with DAL--traded before UFA and left WAS via UFA for nothing)
Mo Williams (not with UTH--still hasn't become UFA)

2002 (0/3, though Yao probably would have re-signed. 3 left for nothing)
Yao (retired before UFA)
Amare(not with PHX--left via UFA for nothing)
Butler (not with MIA--traded for Shaq on rookie deal. Left DAL for nothing)
Boozer (not with CLE--left via cheati-I mean, UFA)

2001: (2/7 resigned. 2 signed extensions before UFA, 3 left for nothing)
Chandler (not with CHI--traded after signing post-rookie extension. Left DAL via UFA)
Gasol (not with MEM--traded before UFA, signed extension)
Joe Johnson (resigned with ATL as UFA)
Z-Bo (not with POR--traded, signed extension before UFA)
Parker (still with Spurs)
Okur (not with Pistons--Left via UFA)
Arenas (not with GSW--left via UFA)

2000: (0/3. All three left for nothing)
K-Mart (not with NJN--S&Td after rookie contract. Left for China via UFA)
Magloire( not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left POR via UFA)
Redd (not with MIL--left via UFA)

1999: (1 demanded trade. 6 left for nothing. 1 retired, for nothing.)
Brand (not with CHI--traded on rookie deal. Left LAC via UFA for nothing)
Franchise (not with VAN--traded before UFA. Left NYK via UFA for nothing)
Baron (not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left GSW via UFA for nothing)
Wally World (not with MIN--traded before UFA. Retired while UFA)
Rip (not with WAS--traded before UFA. Left via waivers for nothing)
Marion (not with PHX--demanded trade before UFA.)
Artest (not with CHI--traded before UFA. Left HOU via UFA for nothing)
Kirilenko (not with UTH--demanded trade, but left for nothing)
 
blue9 said:
And we need to remember that even just making the Playoffs is going to require a significant improvement - vaulting THREE teams just to get the #8 spot. Too many people seem to take it for granted that we'll make that leap. And even though I have agreed that it's a very real possibility, that's all it is - a POSSIBILITY. We don't have a lot to work with, so moving up 3 spots might be asking too much.
We'd all like to think that with Kobe out for the year that we'll finish ahead of LAL - but given that they're the Lakers and get trades done, we can't say for certain that we will. But for the sake of the argument we'll just say that we pass them. One down.
The next most obvious teams are UTH and DAL. DAL is angling for Howard and won't be willing to throw another season of Dirk's career in the toilet. They already finished better than us - leaping them will be tough. 20/80 for leaping them? UTH is going to make some pretty significant changes this summer. They were a fairly poorly balanced team last season and you have to figure they'll have better balance going into next season. But what moves will they make? Will it translate right away, or are they looking a couple years down the road? 50/50 on leaping Utah?
DEN is another team that's up in the air. But, they were SIGNIFICANTLY better than us this past season. We have to both be significantly better ourselves, and hope that they are significantly worse. That's a lot to ask.
We shouldn't just fall into the trap of expecting a C to put us into the Playoffs.
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I don't think any of us who are hoping that LMA remains a Blazer are expecting that a C puts us into the playoffs. A C plus a backup PG and a decent vet role player or two on minimum contracts puts us into the hunt for the 4-8 spots and that's about it. I think it takes one more off-season to get a good bench player with the MLE and maybe a trade to put the Blazers into the good category. As far as the competition goes, IMO the next 6-8 teams below the Thunder, Clippers, Spurs and Grizzlies are about on the same playing field. Injuries will have more to do with who gets in among that group than roster moves will.
 
I’m not in favor of trading LaMarcus away right now unless the primary asset is more likely than not an allstar. This years #1 pick; in a historically horrible draft isn’t enough. Could LaMarcus leave in 2 years? Sure, there is a chance of it. But even if he intends to leave today players attitudes change on a whim. Kobe Bryant demanded a trade from the Lakers then they won a title a year later. Maybe Lamarcus is encouraged by the direction of our team in a year. Maybe the Texas teams don’t have any cap room and he stays here as option B.

I think its stupid to make a desperate move out of fear of a player leaving for nothing. If LaMarcus does leave for “nothing” we reduce our payroll by the size of a max contract. So the only thing we lose is the value LaMarcus provides above and beyond a max contract. Yes that would be horrible if it was an MVP level superstar but LaMarcus is not at that level. Phoenix lost Amare Stoudamire for “nothing” when NY gave him that max contract. Utah lost Carlos Boozer for "nothing" when he signed that overpaid deal with Chicago. The Clippers lost Elton Brand for "nothing" when he signed a massive contract with Philly. Losing a 30 year old all-star for "nothing" is a gamble that either team can win.
 
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BrianFromWA said:
All-Stars and what their teams got for them up to when they reached UFA:
Bottom line up front:
3 of 35 signed as UFAs with the team they were with going into UFA: Wade, Parker, Joe Johnson.
3 of 35 signed extensions before they went to UFA: Z-bo, Gasol, Jameer
5 of 35 were traded immediately prior to UFA, whether forced or not: Deron, Melo, Howard, Marion, CP3
1 of 35 was a UFA S&T (Lee)
2 of 35 retired as UFAs (Yao, Wally)
21 of 35 left for nothing but cap space and/or 2nds/trade exceptions (everyone else)

So, going back to the 1999 draft (only a 6 year+ sample size), less than 10% of UFAs who make it to UFA sign with their old team. Another 10% sign extensions (which can now only happen in last year of the deal). 5 were traded (6 if you count Lee's S&T) so the old team got something for them. But 23 of 35 All-Stars who hit FA gave their old team nothing in return but maybe a 2nd rounder and trade exception/cap space.

2005: (0/4 with original team. 2 forced trades before UFA, 1 will leave for nothing, 1 left via UFA S&T)
Deron (not with UTH--forced trade before UFA)
CP3 (not with NOH--forced trade before UFA)
Bynum (not with LAL--traded before UFA. PHI will probably lose him via UFA for nothing)
Lee (not with NYK--left via UFA S&T)

2004: (1 of 3 still with team, Deng & Harris still not UFA. 1 traded, 1 left for nothing)
Howard (not with ORL--demanded trade before UFA)
Harris (not with DAL--traded for Jason Kidd while on rookie deal. Still not UFA)
**Deng (still with CHI--human trade rumor, and hasn't become UFA yet)
Iguodala (not with PHI--left DEN via UFA for nothing)
Jameer (still with ORL--signed extension)

2003: (1 for 7--and the only one is Wade. Mo still isn't UFA. 1 traded, 5 left for nothing )
LeBron (not with CLE--left in UFA for nothing)
Melo (not with DEN--demanded trade)
Wade (with MIA--resigned with Superfriends)
Bosh (not with TOR--left in UFA for nothing)
Kaman (not with LAC--traded before UFA then left NOH for nothing )
West (not with NOH--left as UFA for nothing)
Howard (not with DAL--traded before UFA and left WAS via UFA for nothing)
Mo Williams (not with UTH--still hasn't become UFA)

2002 (0/3, though Yao probably would have re-signed. 3 left for nothing)
Yao (retired before UFA)
Amare(not with PHX--left via UFA for nothing)
Butler (not with MIA--traded for Shaq on rookie deal. Left DAL for nothing)
Boozer (not with CLE--left via cheati-I mean, UFA)

2001: (2/7 resigned. 2 signed extensions before UFA, 3 left for nothing)
Chandler (not with CHI--traded after signing post-rookie extension. Left DAL via UFA)
Gasol (not with MEM--traded before UFA, signed extension)
Joe Johnson (resigned with ATL as UFA)
Z-Bo (not with POR--traded, signed extension before UFA)
Parker (still with Spurs)
Okur (not with Pistons--Left via UFA)
Arenas (not with GSW--left via UFA)

2000: (0/3. All three left for nothing)
K-Mart (not with NJN--S&Td after rookie contract. Left for China via UFA)
Magloire( not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left POR via UFA)
Redd (not with MIL--left via UFA)

1999: (1 demanded trade. 6 left for nothing. 1 retired, for nothing.)
Brand (not with CHI--traded on rookie deal. Left LAC via UFA for nothing)
Franchise (not with VAN--traded before UFA. Left NYK via UFA for nothing)
Baron (not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left GSW via UFA for nothing)
Wally World (not with MIN--traded before UFA. Retired while UFA)
Rip (not with WAS--traded before UFA. Left via waivers for nothing)
Marion (not with PHX--demanded trade before UFA.)
Artest (not with CHI--traded before UFA. Left HOU via UFA for nothing)
Kirilenko (not with UTH--demanded trade, but left for nothing)
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Slow day in wherever-the-heck-you-are, Brian? ;)
 
BrianFromWA said:
All-Stars and what their teams got for them up to when they reached UFA:
Bottom line up front:
3 of 35 signed as UFAs with the team they were with going into UFA: Wade, Parker, Joe Johnson.
3 of 35 signed extensions before they went to UFA: Z-bo, Gasol, Jameer
5 of 35 were traded immediately prior to UFA, whether forced or not: Deron, Melo, Howard, Marion, CP3
1 of 35 was a UFA S&T (Lee)
2 of 35 retired as UFAs (Yao, Wally)
21 of 35 left for nothing but cap space and/or 2nds/trade exceptions (everyone else)

So, going back to the 1999 draft (only a 6 year+ sample size), less than 10% of UFAs who make it to UFA sign with their old team. Another 10% sign extensions (which can now only happen in last year of the deal). 5 were traded (6 if you count Lee's S&T) so the old team got something for them. But 23 of 35 All-Stars who hit FA gave their old team nothing in return but maybe a 2nd rounder and trade exception/cap space.

2005: (0/4 with original team. 2 forced trades before UFA, 1 will leave for nothing, 1 left via UFA S&T)
Deron (not with UTH--forced trade before UFA)
CP3 (not with NOH--forced trade before UFA)
Bynum (not with LAL--traded before UFA. PHI will probably lose him via UFA for nothing)
Lee (not with NYK--left via UFA S&T)

2004: (1 of 3 still with team, Deng & Harris still not UFA. 1 traded, 1 left for nothing)
Howard (not with ORL--demanded trade before UFA)
Harris (not with DAL--traded for Jason Kidd while on rookie deal. Still not UFA)
**Deng (still with CHI--human trade rumor, and hasn't become UFA yet)
Iguodala (not with PHI--left DEN via UFA for nothing)
Jameer (still with ORL--signed extension)

2003: (1 for 7--and the only one is Wade. Mo still isn't UFA. 1 traded, 5 left for nothing )
LeBron (not with CLE--left in UFA for nothing)
Melo (not with DEN--demanded trade)
Wade (with MIA--resigned with Superfriends)
Bosh (not with TOR--left in UFA for nothing)
Kaman (not with LAC--traded before UFA then left NOH for nothing )
West (not with NOH--left as UFA for nothing)
Howard (not with DAL--traded before UFA and left WAS via UFA for nothing)
Mo Williams (not with UTH--still hasn't become UFA)

2002 (0/3, though Yao probably would have re-signed. 3 left for nothing)
Yao (retired before UFA)
Amare(not with PHX--left via UFA for nothing)
Butler (not with MIA--traded for Shaq on rookie deal. Left DAL for nothing)
Boozer (not with CLE--left via cheati-I mean, UFA)

2001: (2/7 resigned. 2 signed extensions before UFA, 3 left for nothing)
Chandler (not with CHI--traded after signing post-rookie extension. Left DAL via UFA)
Gasol (not with MEM--traded before UFA, signed extension)
Joe Johnson (resigned with ATL as UFA)
Z-Bo (not with POR--traded, signed extension before UFA)
Parker (still with Spurs)
Okur (not with Pistons--Left via UFA)
Arenas (not with GSW--left via UFA)

2000: (0/3. All three left for nothing)
K-Mart (not with NJN--S&Td after rookie contract. Left for China via UFA)
Magloire( not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left POR via UFA)
Redd (not with MIL--left via UFA)

1999: (1 demanded trade. 6 left for nothing. 1 retired, for nothing.)
Brand (not with CHI--traded on rookie deal. Left LAC via UFA for nothing)
Franchise (not with VAN--traded before UFA. Left NYK via UFA for nothing)
Baron (not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left GSW via UFA for nothing)
Wally World (not with MIN--traded before UFA. Retired while UFA)
Rip (not with WAS--traded before UFA. Left via waivers for nothing)
Marion (not with PHX--demanded trade before UFA.)
Artest (not with CHI--traded before UFA. Left HOU via UFA for nothing)
Kirilenko (not with UTH--demanded trade, but left for nothing)
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pfft..vague notion..(I kid)

Those are pretty damning facts
 
Appreciate all the work you put in. It's a relatively ugly block to read. So there have been 35 ASs in the last 6 years to get to UFA status. Of those, 21 have left there teams as an UFA.

Kirilenko, Artest, Baron Davis, Steve Francis, Elton Brand, Amare, Caron Butler, Boozer, Bynum seems included, though he didn't leave via UFA, Okur, Arenas, Chandler, Deng, Harris Iguodola, Kaman, West, Josh Howard, ......

I guess there's a "trend". Though I don't see many in similar situations, with a team that definitely wanted them back, and were willing to pay them the max, and they just walked because they wanted to play elsewhere. Steve Francis didn't leave NY for nothing. He wa straded here. And was beyond washed up. Guys like him, Okur(??really?)Arenas(They couldn't offer him what he wanted by rule), Kirilenko left during the lockout, Redd signed his 2nd big deal with Milwaukee, left when he was done.

Meh. I guess if your argument is that Aldridge is going to pull a "Michael Redd" or a Gilbert Arenas, but I don't see those situations as anywhere near comparable. Bosh and Lebron are two big ones whose teams likely wanted to keep them, and they left. PHX didn't want Amare back a that price. Utah didn't want Boozer back. I think it becomes a much different "trend" to try to find anyone outside of the big 3 who really fit a similar situation, where they got to UFA, their teams wanted ot keep them, could offer the most money, might offer reasonable chance ot contend, and the player said no and walked for less money/shorter deal in exchange for nothing.
 
The supposed cleveland offer, which we have no clue if it is as we assume, isn't really that great. #1 isn't likely going to be a franchise changer and whoever we would pick will have huge ? We all know this. TT is okay but is more like Hickson then Millsap and 19 is going to most likely be a rotation player at best. Its not a blow your socks off offer but it's not bad.

A few of the questions that should be asked before a good conclusion can be made on the trade is:

What direction does the franchise want to go in

What will it take to keep LA in Portland

Is this the best offer we can get this off season for LA

Can we get a better offer for LA next season or has his value peeked

Ignoring the first three ill just address the last one. I don't think that the cleveland offer is the best Portland can do. LAs game isn't going to change next year and if we put him on the block either at the trade deadline or after the season we will still get great offers so we might as well keep him and see what we can get next season.
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So, how 'bout this. Keep Aldridge this year, put the best team around him/Lillard possible, see if we get the player development we hope for over the course of this season, and try to make the playoffs. If, at that point, we don't have a team that looks like it can contend in the next couple years, or we can't get Aldridge to sign an extension, then we trade him before the season begins for the best pick/prospect package possible.

Best of both worlds?
 
Draco said:
I’m not in favor of trading LaMarcus away right now unless the primary asset is more likely than not an allstar. This years #1 pick; in a historically horrible draft isn’t enough. Could LaMarcus leave in 2 years? Sure, there is a chance of it. But even if he intends to leave today players attitudes change on a whim. Kobe Bryant demanded a trade from the Lakers then they won a title a year later. Maybe Lamarcus is encouraged by the direction of our team in a year. Maybe the Texas teams don’t have any cap room and he stays here as option B.

I think its stupid to make a desperate move out of fear of a player leaving for nothing. If LaMarcus does leave for “nothing” we reduce our payroll by the size of a max contract. So the only thing we lose is the value LaMarcus provides above and beyond a max contract. Yes that would be horrible if it was an MVP level superstar but LaMarcus is not at that level. Phoenix lost Amare Stoudamire for “nothing” when NY gave him that max contract. Utah lost Carlos Boozer for "nothing" when he signed that overpaid deal with Chicago. The Clippers lost Elton Brand for "nothing" when he signed a massive contract with Philly. Losing a 30 year old all-star for "nothing" is a gamble that either team can win.
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Sounds like you are making the argument FOR trading LaMarcus.

If keeping him and signing him to a Franchise Player SuperMax contract is going to be a bad deal, then trading him now, while he has significant value, and specifically trading him for lottery picks and/or young players is the best thing for the team, according to your post.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
So, how 'bout this. Keep Aldridge this year, put the best team around him/Lillard possible, see if we get the player development we hope for over the course of this season, and try to make the playoffs. If, at that point, we don't have a team that looks like it can contend in the next couple years, or we can't get Aldridge to sign an extension, then we trade him before the season begins for the best pick/prospect package possible.

Best of both worlds?
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Yes and no. I think that LMA's value is at it's highest with multiple years left on his contract. With one year, his value decreases. I think Rhals question #3 is the most important one. Is the rumored CLE deal the best we can get. Previously I was not keen on it. But after thinking a while, I've come to like it. Though I do still wonder if we can't get a better deal.
The latest I'd wait to trade LMA in order to maximize the return is the trade deadline - at that point we might get a better offer than the CLE rumor.
 
blue9 said:
Yes and no. I think that LMA's value is at it's highest with multiple years left on his contract. With one year, his value decreases. I think Rhals question #3 is the most important one. Is the rumored CLE deal the best we can get. Previously I was not keen on it. But after thinking a while, I've come to like it. Though I do still wonder if we can't get a better deal.
The latest I'd wait to trade LMA in order to maximize the return is the trade deadline - at that point we might get a better offer than the CLE rumor.
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However, trading him at the deadline provides no opportunity to extend him if the unlikely scenario occurs that our new draftees, FA acquisitions, and existing roster development results in a squad that might actually generate a contender. I know that you personally don't believe that's possible with Aldridge as a major piece, but many others do.
 
BrianFromWA said:
All-Stars and what their teams got for them up to when they reached UFA:
Bottom line up front:
3 of 35 signed as UFAs with the team they were with going into UFA: Wade, Parker, Joe Johnson.
3 of 35 signed extensions before they went to UFA: Z-bo, Gasol, Jameer
5 of 35 were traded immediately prior to UFA, whether forced or not: Deron, Melo, Howard, Marion, CP3
1 of 35 was a UFA S&T (Lee)
2 of 35 retired as UFAs (Yao, Wally)
21 of 35 left for nothing but cap space and/or 2nds/trade exceptions (everyone else)

So, going back to the 1999 draft (only a 6 year+ sample size), less than 10% of UFAs who make it to UFA sign with their old team. Another 10% sign extensions (which can now only happen in last year of the deal). 5 were traded (6 if you count Lee's S&T) so the old team got something for them. But 23 of 35 All-Stars who hit FA gave their old team nothing in return but maybe a 2nd rounder and trade exception/cap space.

2005: (0/4 with original team. 2 forced trades before UFA, 1 will leave for nothing, 1 left via UFA S&T)
Deron (not with UTH--forced trade before UFA)
CP3 (not with NOH--forced trade before UFA)
Bynum (not with LAL--traded before UFA. PHI will probably lose him via UFA for nothing)
Lee (not with NYK--left via UFA S&T)

2004: (1 of 3 still with team, Deng & Harris still not UFA. 1 traded, 1 left for nothing)
Howard (not with ORL--demanded trade before UFA)
Harris (not with DAL--traded for Jason Kidd while on rookie deal. Still not UFA)
**Deng (still with CHI--human trade rumor, and hasn't become UFA yet)
Iguodala (not with PHI--left DEN via UFA for nothing)
Jameer (still with ORL--signed extension)

2003: (1 for 7--and the only one is Wade. Mo still isn't UFA. 1 traded, 5 left for nothing )
LeBron (not with CLE--left in UFA for nothing)
Melo (not with DEN--demanded trade)
Wade (with MIA--resigned with Superfriends)
Bosh (not with TOR--left in UFA for nothing)
Kaman (not with LAC--traded before UFA then left NOH for nothing )
West (not with NOH--left as UFA for nothing)
Howard (not with DAL--traded before UFA and left WAS via UFA for nothing)
Mo Williams (not with UTH--still hasn't become UFA)

2002 (0/3, though Yao probably would have re-signed. 3 left for nothing)
Yao (retired before UFA)
Amare(not with PHX--left via UFA for nothing)
Butler (not with MIA--traded for Shaq on rookie deal. Left DAL for nothing)
Boozer (not with CLE--left via cheati-I mean, UFA)

2001: (2/7 resigned. 2 signed extensions before UFA, 3 left for nothing)
Chandler (not with CHI--traded after signing post-rookie extension. Left DAL via UFA)
Gasol (not with MEM--traded before UFA, signed extension)
Joe Johnson (resigned with ATL as UFA)
Z-Bo (not with POR--traded, signed extension before UFA)
Parker (still with Spurs)
Okur (not with Pistons--Left via UFA)
Arenas (not with GSW--left via UFA)

2000: (0/3. All three left for nothing)
K-Mart (not with NJN--S&Td after rookie contract. Left for China via UFA)
Magloire( not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left POR via UFA)
Redd (not with MIL--left via UFA)

1999: (1 demanded trade. 6 left for nothing. 1 retired, for nothing.)
Brand (not with CHI--traded on rookie deal. Left LAC via UFA for nothing)
Franchise (not with VAN--traded before UFA. Left NYK via UFA for nothing)
Baron (not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left GSW via UFA for nothing)
Wally World (not with MIN--traded before UFA. Retired while UFA)
Rip (not with WAS--traded before UFA. Left via waivers for nothing)
Marion (not with PHX--demanded trade before UFA.)
Artest (not with CHI--traded before UFA. Left HOU via UFA for nothing)
Kirilenko (not with UTH--demanded trade, but left for nothing)
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Thanks for providing this. But it is ignoring a huge part of the analysis:

How many of those free agents left their previous team even though their previous team matched any other offer?
 
Reep said:
What about Leonard + 10 for 1? Certainly Batum + 10 should get you 1 in this draft. But who would you want that bad? Len?
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I'd be shocked if Leonard+10 was enough for #1. Heck I doubt Leonard+10+our greek+our second rounders+Claver+Barton would be enough for #1 especially with the reports that the Cavs are really overvaluing the #1 pick.
 
And though the Cavs continue to work the phones in an attempt to trade their top pick, sources tell SheridanHoops that no team has yet put forth a package the Cavs find enticing — a lottery pick, and additional first-round pick (preferably in 2014), and a promising young player.
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Best we could try to offer is 2016 pick. Along with 10, young player(Leonard?).
 
RR7 said:
Best we could try to offer is 2016 pick. Along with 10, young player(Leonard?).
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We can't trade any additional first round picks with our #10(which has to be traded on draft night) because of that rule were you have to have a draft pick every other year. Since Charlotte owns ours we can't offer a first rounder in the next few years.
 
Rhal said:
We can't trade any additional first round picks with our #10(which has to be traded on draft night) because of that rule were you have to have a draft pick every other year. Since Charlotte owns ours we can't offer a first rounder in the next few years.
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You can say the next available pick, with the first year right now it can be available being 2016. And it falls under the condition that it has to be 2 years removed from the previously dealt pick.
 
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