Exclusive Lamarcus Aldridge Will NOT Return This Off-Season (and why that's not a bad thing)

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I only create threads for videos based on a topic that I think the entire forum would be interested in discussing, and that I think would be a good thread to have in general. So here you go: I list 3 reasons why Aldridge won't come back this off-season, and explain why he wouldn't fit in as our starting power forward.

 
Seems like a pretty short conversation...

He’s not a free agent.

Not worth trading for (don’t really have the assets.)

If the Spurs did want to trade him, this offseason makes very little sense. The deadline makes more sense — if they even wanted to — which I doubt and I’m not sure what we could trade for him anyway.
 
As long as he yield to Dame this time around I’d accept him back. Remember the days when Dame had to walk on egg shells for this guy? I hope he has matured since then.
 
I think if he come back, he will be playing back up PF and C. Collins have the best perimeter defense out of any big men we have had in a long time. He make the most sense at starting PF. And Nurk compliment Collins game well with his size and playmaking. Aldridge can come off the bench and focus on scoring which is really his thing. But I do agree with that we are probably are not gonna be able to trade for him this off season
 
Fake news. The title should start “Why I think..”
 
Fake news. The title should start “Why I think..”
Bullshit man. You think the CBA is fake news...?

You can tell me I'm wrong if it happens (it wont).
 
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He won't likely be back till next offseason when he becomes a FA. He will sign here on the cheap and finish his career here as a FA. He might not fit, but he is almost definitely coming in the near future. He and Dame want to play together again. I see it as very likely.

Is he a good fit? That's a different story. The only way he comes back this season is a sign and trade for Whiteside which is not very likely.
 
Bullshit man. You think the CBA is fake news...?

You can tell me I'm wrong if it happens (it wont).
He is saying the title of the thread is a bit misleading is all. He is saying you should have put, "why I think" LA will not return. At first when I saw it, it did look a bit like it was some official release. I think that was Jinx was thinking.
 
He is saying the title of the thread is a bit misleading is all. He is saying you should have put, "why I think" LA will not return. At first when I saw it, it did look a bit like it was some official release. I think that was Jinx was thinking.
Makes sense, and obviously some sort of miracle could happen where we somehow have the pieces to trade for Aldridge, Aldridge, but that's what itd be, a miracle, and that isn't even taking into account other factors. I dont see how we'd gather together $19M in salary this offseason thatd be worthwhile to trade for Aldridge.

I also asked for an people to explain why they disagree and if they think there's a chance, to explain how it could happen. Would've liked King to explain how it could happen, which could've made his point that the title should've started with "I think". Discussion is why I made this thread, not to be called "fake news" with no explaination.

Also, starting off a video title with "Why I think..." would result in the video performing worse. Bold titles grab attention. So I never focus on the exact semantics of a title and instead, focus on the point that's trying to be made. This video is outperforming at least my last 10. Maybe should've changed the thread title but I just roughly copy the video title.
 
He is saying the title of the thread is a bit misleading is all. He is saying you should have put, "why I think" LA will not return. At first when I saw it, it did look a bit like it was some official release. I think that was Jinx was thinking.
Why would the Blazers release an official statement that a player not on their team won't be traded for?
 
Makes sense, and obviously some sort of miracle could happen where we somehow have the pieces to trade for Aldridge, Aldridge, but that's what itd be, a miracle, and that isn't even taking into account other factors. I dont see how we'd gather together $19M in salary this offseason thatd be worthwhile to trade for Aldridge.

I also asked for an people to explain why they disagree and if they think there's a chance, to explain how it could happen. Would've liked King to explain how it could happen, which could've made his point that the title should've started with "I think". Discussion is why I made this thread, not to be called "fake news" with no explaination.

Also, starting off a video title with "Why I think..." would result in the video performing worse. Bold titles grab attention. So I never focus on the exact semantics of a title and instead, focus on the point that's trying to be made. This video is outperforming at least my last 10. Maybe should've changed the thread title but I just roughly copy the video title.

A package with Whiteside or Ariza and our 1st round pick for Aldridge could match salary and would interest SAS.

I think its unlikely we see an Aldridge trade, although is unlikely we see a trade for any specifically named player. But it could be entirely reasonable if the Spurs rebuild and the Blazers try to contend that this type of trade happens.

Its not as though this is some ludicrous unreasonable trade idea fans are coming up with such as Milwaukee trading Giannis to Portland.
 
A package with Whiteside or Ariza and our 1st round pick for Aldridge could match salary and would interest SAS.

I think its unlikely we see an Aldridge trade, although is unlikely we see a trade for any specifically named player. But it could be entirely reasonable if the Spurs rebuild and the Blazers try to contend that this type of trade happens.

Its not as though this is some ludicrous unreasonable trade idea fans are coming up with such as Milwaukee trading Giannis to Portland.
Whiteside is a free agent.......
 
A package with Whiteside or Ariza and our 1st round pick for Aldridge could match salary and would interest SAS.

I think its unlikely we see an Aldridge trade, although is unlikely we see a trade for any specifically named player. But it could be entirely reasonable if the Spurs rebuild and the Blazers try to contend that this type of trade happens.

Its not as though this is some ludicrous unreasonable trade idea fans are coming up with such as Milwaukee trading Giannis to Portland.
You must not have watched the video.

Bones addresses why the sign and trade wouldn't likely have a chance of working in this scenario. Also, free agency and Ariza's team decision are both after the draft.
 
A package with Whiteside or Ariza and our 1st round pick for Aldridge could match salary and would interest SAS.
Why exactly is it that you think a Whiteside S&T would interest SAS? I personally disagree, but I'm curious what makes you think they'd be on board with that?
 
Fake news. The title should start “Why I think..”

So does that mean that the threads you make promoting your podcast won't have attention grabbing headlines ever again?
 
Why exactly is it that you think a Whiteside S&T would interest SAS? I personally disagree, but I'm curious what makes you think they'd be on board with that?
I never said SAS is interested in Whitside. Just that the salary could match. Maybe a 3rd team would get Whitside. Or maybe Blazers would give SAS draft picks, so they don't mind the downgrade from LMA to Whiteside with that benefit. Who knows, my point was there are ways to possibly do this type of trade if teams and players want to.
 
I never said SAS is interested in Whitside. Just that the salary could match. Maybe a 3rd team would get Whitside. Or maybe Blazers would give SAS draft picks, so they don't mind the downgrade from LMA to Whiteside with that benefit. Who knows, my point was there are ways to possibly do this type of trade if teams and players want to.
This is why I cringe anytime someone mentions sign-and-trades (this isn't directed at you specifically, I encounter this daily on other social media platforms as well):

Name a sign-and-trade that happened because a team wanted another player from another team under contract and tried to get that team to sign one of their free agents just to make the trade work? It doesn't happen like that.

Sign-and-trades happen for two reasons. There were a couple instances of a double sign-and-trade last year because of two coincidences of two teams trying to sign the other team's free agent but the same reasons still applied.

1) It's a restricted free agent that the team that wants to sign them fears if they sign him to the offer sheet his original team would just match the offer so they try to work out some sort of compensation instead (See Malcolm Brogdon last summer).

2) The team that wants to sign a free agent doesn't have enough cap space to outright sign that player so the only way to sign him is via giving up salary back to the original team (See Jimmy Butler last summer).

Now let's apply this situation to the Aldridge trade. If DeRozan opts out the Spurs would have enough cap space to outright sign Whiteside. So even if they really wanted him (which I seriously doubt Pop would want a guy like him but I'll leave opinion out of this) they could just sign him. If DeRozan opts in they'd have the Full-MLE to offer Whiteside without needing to trade anyone away either. Now the Blazers can't offer Whiteside in a sign-and-trade, it has to be the team that wants to sign him that approaches the Blazers. So in order for a sign-and-trade with the Spurs to happen all of these things would have to occur:

1) DeRozan opts in.

2) Spurs want to offer Whiteside a multi-year contract for more than the MLE.

3) Whiteside agrees to that contract with the Spurs.

4) The Spurs would want to deal Aldridge for Whiteside.

5) The Spurs would have to pay Whiteside at least $19,120,000 million per year to make the trade work (if Portland included just picks) or Whiteside's first year salary combined with other salary would have to equal that amount.

6) Both teams would have to agree to whatever terms.

So the first three steps have to occur before we'd even know if they'd be willing to trade Aldridge for Whiteside. What is being suggested here (and by a bunch of other people) is backwards. Philly didn't/couldn't have gone into last off season wanting to sign-and-trade Jimmy Butler. They got lucky that the place he wanted to sign was willing to give up decent pieces back to them and couldn't just outright sign him. They couldn't have contacted the Heat and said we'll sign-and-trade you Butler, it was only after Butler had agreed to sign there.

In summary, sign-and-trades only happen because a team wants to sign a player and doesn't have the space. They don't happen because a team wants to trade for a player on another team and doesn't have the contracts to match salary.
 
You must not have watched the video.

Bones addresses why the sign and trade wouldn't likely have a chance of working in this scenario. Also, free agency and Ariza's team decision are both after the draft.
Yeah I post these videos knowing some people will simply just discuss the topic explained in the title and not watch the video. I wish people would though because I truly try to go as in-depth as possible and think there's a lot of educated, in-depth conversations that could start from things said in the video.
 
I'm not high on bringing him back as I'd prefer to build around youngsters and if we pick up a seasoned vet front court player, get one that has a bit more nasty than LA. Besides why would Neil want to bring him back after leading Paul & him on? They went all out to accommodate him and he pretty much lied to them. I don't blame LA for wanting to leave as he spend many years here and his son and mom were in Texas, how he deceived the owner and GM, that dampens my wish for his return. I guess if Dames wants him its possible.
 
This is why I cringe anytime someone mentions sign-and-trades (this isn't directed at you specifically, I encounter this daily on other social media platforms as well):

Name a sign-and-trade that happened because a team wanted another player from another team under contract and tried to get that team to sign one of their free agents just to make the trade work? It doesn't happen like that.

Sign-and-trades happen for two reasons. There were a couple instances of a double sign-and-trade last year because of two coincidences of two teams trying to sign the other team's free agent but the same reasons still applied.

1) It's a restricted free agent that the team that wants to sign them fears if they sign him to the offer sheet his original team would just match the offer so they try to work out some sort of compensation instead (See Malcolm Brogdon last summer).

2) The team that wants to sign a free agent doesn't have enough cap space to outright sign that player so the only way to sign him is via giving up salary back to the original team (See Jimmy Butler last summer).

Now let's apply this situation to the Aldridge trade. If DeRozan opts out the Spurs would have enough cap space to outright sign Whiteside. So even if they really wanted him (which I seriously doubt Pop would want a guy like him but I'll leave opinion out of this) they could just sign him. If DeRozan opts in they'd have the Full-MLE to offer Whiteside without needing to trade anyone away either. Now the Blazers can't offer Whiteside in a sign-and-trade, it has to be the team that wants to sign him that approaches the Blazers. So in order for a sign-and-trade with the Spurs to happen all of these things would have to occur:

1) DeRozan opts in.

2) Spurs want to offer Whiteside a multi-year contract for more than the MLE.

3) Whiteside agrees to that contract with the Spurs.

4) The Spurs would want to deal Aldridge for Whiteside.

5) The Spurs would have to pay Whiteside at least $19,120,000 million per year to make the trade work (if Portland included just picks) or Whiteside's first year salary combined with other salary would have to equal that amount.

6) Both teams would have to agree to whatever terms.

So the first three steps have to occur before we'd even know if they'd be willing to trade Aldridge for Whiteside. What is being suggested here (and by a bunch of other people) is backwards. Philly didn't/couldn't have gone into last off season wanting to sign-and-trade Jimmy Butler. They got lucky that the place he wanted to sign was willing to give up decent pieces back to them and couldn't just outright sign him. They couldn't have contacted the Heat and said we'll sign-and-trade you Butler, it was only after Butler had agreed to sign there.

In summary, sign-and-trades only happen because a team wants to sign a player and doesn't have the space. They don't happen because a team wants to trade for a player on another team and doesn't have the contracts to match salary.

Maybe initially Whiteside agrees to sign with a 3rd team with cap space. Then later on as part of other moves the Spurs and Blazers work out an Aldridge trade if the Spurs rebuild. Who the fuck knows. I'm just saying there's multiple ways salaries could match up from the Blazers end. Whiteside is one, Ariza is another, hell it could be a piece of a CJ trade. I said I dont think it's going to happen.

Last summer before free agency if you said Miami was going to sign Jimmy Bulter as a free agent when they were way over the cap someone couldve said it's near impossible and listed similar detailed reasons you did here. Ultimately he was sign and traded along with many unforeseen transactions.

Add on to this the CBA is void from the pandemic. We dont know if there'll even be a salary cap or trade matching or whatever current rules in the next offseason.
 
The post of yours I quoted specifically said (omitting irrelevant parts):



That is the statement I was asking you to clarify.
Good question. Yes I assume SAS would be interested in the draft pick half of my statement, as I assume all teams are interested in first round picks. Now Whiteside as a player I admit doesn't make sense for SAS if they rebuild. Maybe they even would view him as negative value. Maybe a 3rd team would want him however. Who knows.

I'm not saying an Aldridge trade is likely. I just dont believe we can dismiss it as an absolute zero percemt chance it could happen as the title states.
 
Maybe initially Whiteside agrees to sign with a 3rd team with cap space. Then later on as part of other moves the Spurs and Blazers work out an Aldridge trade if the Spurs rebuild. Who the fuck knows. I'm just saying there's multiple ways salaries could match up from the Blazers end. Whiteside is one, Ariza is another, hell it could be a piece of a CJ trade. I said I dont think it's going to happen.

Last summer before free agency if you said Miami was going to sign Jimmy Bulter as a free agent when they were way over the cap someone couldve said it's near impossible and listed similar detailed reasons you did here. Ultimately he was sign and traded along with many unforeseen transactions.

Add on to this the CBA is void from the pandemic. We dont know if there'll even be a salary cap or trade matching or whatever current rules in the next offseason.
Who the fuck knows? I know, and I just told you that doesn't work. You didn't comprehend a single thing I said about Jimmy Butler.

Good question. Yes I assume SAS would be interested in the draft pick half of my statement, as I assume all teams are interested in first round picks. Now Whiteside as a player I admit doesn't make sense for SAS if they rebuild. Maybe they even would view him as negative value. Maybe a 3rd team would want him however. Who knows.

I'm not saying an Aldridge trade is likely. I just dont believe we can dismiss it as an absolute zero percemt chance it could happen as the title states.
I'm so sick of people who dismiss the rules because it doesn't fit their narrative.
 

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