Zombie Lillard is playing like a bum

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
hoopsjock said:
Oh no, poor @Blazers1977 had his shitty ass theory completely blown out of the water and doesn't understand that there are stats for pretty much anything.
Click to expand...
Only amateur NBA analysts rely on stats to this degree. Why don’t you got to Vegas and bet your house? You’ve got it all figured out.
 
Blazers1977 said:
people who dribble more and have the ball more tend to get more assists. That’s why he is getting half an assist more this year. Woopdido.
Click to expand...
What's your excuse for CJ?
He tends to dribble the ball more than anyone else in the NBA, but he's a far below average facilitator.



Cugel said:
Dame takes some shots that aren't ideal. Constantly tries to draw fouls even if it means putting up garbage from three.

Trys to dribble out of way too many double teams instead of passing before the trap is in place.

He's in a funk right now but I don't think it will last. IMHO, he thinks he has to carry the team.
Click to expand...
These are all valid criticisms of Dame - and have been for a couple seasons now.

I would hope that a coach would be in his ear addressing these... but I haven't seen any significant changes in approach with his 'heat check' shots at inappropriate times.
 
THE HCP said:
I bet you opposing coaches and scouts don’t want him to shoot em though. Bet they run special sets defensively to keep him from getting them off.
Click to expand...
You mean to tell me teams have literally designed defenses to defend Lillard on the three point line and his ability to drive? Really?
 
It's funny how many times "Defense" is being used as an excuse for Lillards shitshow in certain games, Ecspessialy in the Playoffs, because Lillard is the only Player in NBA history who get's guarded. Maybe we should question his BBall IQ if he knows that the trap is coming but he still runs Pnr after Pnr after Pnr? Do you guys realize that other superstars get the same treatment and they still play like Superstars?? It's comical how Dame get's a pass every time
 
Chris Craig said:
Lillard started out the season playing the best basketball of his career. (Not his fault the team around him sucks. ) He put the team on his back and ended up with spasms. It slowed him down for a few games. Then carmelo came. Now it's Dame, CJ, and Melo all sharing the scoring. No surprise his numbers came down some. He does seem to be struggling as he, Melo, and CJ figure out how to best play together.
Click to expand...

Post number 41 and someone finally brings up the back spasms, thank you... I've thought for awhile that it must still be bothering him to some degree. Not that he's playing poorly, his assists are a career high.

Whatever the case, Lillard is literally the last player in the league I'd ever accuse of being lazy, and literally the last player in the league I'd ever accuse of not caring about winning. That's just such a stupid statement.
 
kjironman1 said:
You mean to tell me teams have literally designed defenses to defend Lillard on the three point line and his ability to drive? Really?
Click to expand...

you mean to tell me that every single team in the league faces different defenses for their star player, and this isn’t unique to Dame?
 
noknobs said:
Post number 41 and someone finally brings up the back spasms, thank you... I've thought for awhile that it must still be bothering him to some degree. Not that he's playing poorly, his assists are a career high.

Whatever the case, Lillard is literally the last player in the league I'd ever accuse of being lazy, and literally the last player in the league I'd ever accuse of not caring about winning. That's just such a stupid statement.
Click to expand...

why? What has Lillard ever done that shows he works harder than other players making 200 million?

How do you know he cares more about winning than every other player in the league? Has he ever even raised his voice after losing once? How many other superstars are trying to simultaneously launch rap careers during their prime?

this is just blind loyalty. Dame gets a pass for everything.
 
Blazers1977 said:
why? What has Lillard ever done that shows he works harder than other players making 200 million?

How do you know he cares more about winning than every other player in the league? Has he ever even raised his voice after losing once? How many other superstars are trying to simultaneously launch rap careers during their prime?

this is just blind loyalty. Dame gets a pass for everything.
Click to expand...
Blah, blah, blah, somethin’, somethin, bad Lillard, somethin’, somethin’, blah, blah, blah........
 
tester551 said:
What's your excuse for CJ?
He tends to dribble the ball more than anyone else in the NBA, but he's a far below average facilitator.

s.
Click to expand...

Dame is a better passer than CJ. Dame is better than CJ overall. None of this changes the fact that Dame’s ENERGY is undeniably low.
 
AldoTrapani said:
I guess but he’s overrated from 3 to me. He’s barley above league average
Click to expand...

ok now....I use stats all the time, but I try to look at the context of stats because often, even most times, that context is critical to understanding stats

in the case of Lillard' 3 point shooting, there is some critical context that has to be applied; without which there's plenty of ignorance. That being the assisted FG rate on 3 pointers. Look at it for Portland:

Skal Labissière 1.000
Mario Hezonja 1.000
Anthony Tolliver 1.000
Nassir Little 1.000
Zach Collins 1.000
Kent Bazemore .938
Gary Trent .909
Carmelo Anthony .895
Rodney Hood .886
Anfernee Simons .658
CJ McCollum .657
Damian Lillard .190

that's just fucked-up. And it's not fucked-up because Dame is choosing free-lance everything. It's fucked-up because Dame has made the jobs of Olshey and Stotts easier by giving them both plenty of ass-cover. But they don't do anything to make Dame's job easier. Olshey has refused to find Dame another player who can consistently facilitate offense and create spot-up and open looks for Dame. And Stotts has failed to design offensive options for Dame that don't require him to create almost all of it on his own.

this season is an extreme example; the previous two seasons Dame's rate of assisted three's has hovered around 45%. Even then, it should have been higher

I just took the time to check the top-20 three point shooters, percentage-wise, in the NBA. The results are that 19 of those 20 players had 3pt assisted FG rates above 80%, and 15 of 19 had a rate above 90%

Dame shoots 36.2% and 19% of his three's are assisted. Lebron shoots 36.5% and 47.5% of his threes are assisted. Harden shoots 36.1% and 17% of his three's are assisted. See a pattern there?

so when I see somebody hammer Dame for his "low" percentage without adding any context, I think they are operating from a perspective of ignorance...sorry
 
wizenheimer said:
ok now....I use stats all the time, but I try to look at the context of stats because often, even most times, that context is critical to understanding stats

in the case of Lillard' 3 point shooting, there is some critical context that has to be applied; without which there's plenty of ignorance. That being the assisted FG rate on 3 pointers. Look at it for Portland:

Skal Labissière 1.000
Mario Hezonja 1.000
Anthony Tolliver 1.000
Nassir Little 1.000
Zach Collins 1.000
Kent Bazemore .938
Gary Trent .909
Carmelo Anthony .895
Rodney Hood .886
Anfernee Simons .658
CJ McCollum .657
Damian Lillard .190

that's just fucked-up. And it's not fucked-up because Dame is choosing free-lance everything. It's fucked-up because Dame has made the jobs of Olshey and Stotts easier by giving them both plenty of ass-cover. But they don't do anything to make Dame's job easier. Olshey has refused to find Dame another player who can consistently facilitate offense and create spot-up and open looks for Dame. And Stotts has failed to design offensive options for Dame that don't require him to create almost all of it on his own.

this season is an extreme example; the previous two seasons Dame's rate of assisted three's has hovered around 45%. Even then, it should have been higher

I just took the time to check the top-20 three point shooters, percentage-wise, in the NBA. The results are that 19 of those 20 players had 3pt assisted FG rates above 80%, and 15 of 19 had a rate above 90%

Dame shoots 36.2% and 19% of his three's are assisted. Lebron shoots 36.5% and 47.5% of his threes are assisted. Harden shoots 36.1% and 17% of his three's are assisted. See a pattern there?

so when I see somebody hammer Dame for his "low" percentage without adding any context, I think they are operating from a perspective of ignorance...sorry
Click to expand...

yeah I’m sure dames .190 assisted 3P rate has nothing to do with the 40 foot 3s he hucks up 5 seconds into the shotclock.
 
THE HCP said:
I bet you opposing coaches and scouts don’t want him to shoot em though. Bet they run special sets defensively to keep him from getting them off.
Click to expand...

Bro he’s the best player on his team yes he will be game planned for lol
 
Blazers1977 said:
yeah I’m sure dames .190 assisted 3P rate has nothing to do with the 40 foot 3s he hucks up 5 seconds into the shotclock.
Click to expand...

I don't think it does to any significant level because he's been shooting those long three's for at least 3 seasons now. My guess is that he probably shot almost as many last season as he has this season; or at least his rate of 27-35' shots is about the same, but his assisted rate has dropped from 46% last year to 19% this season. Unless you have data showing otherwise, I'd inclined to believe what I just said

my take: there are probably a few reasons why it has dropped, but I'm assuming two main reasons why it's so much lower this season than the last 2 seasons:

* one is that the combination of Turner, Napier, and Curry were much better than Bazemore, Simons, and Hezonja at setting up open shots for teammates. Olshey chose a significant downgrade in facilitation options this year in his zeal to secure minutes for CJ and Simons and a point-forward role for Hezonja. It was dumb

* the other is that Nurkic and Meyers were much better passers than Whiteside and Skal, and were also a lot more familiar with the offense and Dame. I think that notion is supported by the fact that Dame's 3pt assisted rate last season dropped from 46% to 32% in the playoffs after Nurkic was out

the goal should have been to raise Dame's assisted rate from 46% to 60% instead of cutting it down to 40% of last season. But there were some major miscalculations boiling out of the GM's office last summer
 
hoopsjock said:
What in the actual fuck are you saying? Are you actually trying to say that your eye test is more accurate than actual data that is kept track of?
Click to expand...

I’m saying your comments are statistically illiterate and demonstrate an inability to interpret “actual data.” You’re trying to say that averaging half more an assist per game, while playing more minutes, “proves” x, y, and z. It “proves” nothing of the sort. That’s not how any of this works, at all.

To answer your question. Yes, even my “eye test” is superior to you babbling about random factoids and tiny margins that demonstrate nothing. Take a logic class.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think it does to any significant level because he's been shooting those long three's for at least 3 seasons now. My guess is that he probably shot almost as many last season as he has this season; or at least his rate of 27-35' shots is about the same, but his assisted rate has dropped from 46% last year to 19% this season. Unless you have data showing otherwise, I'd inclined to believe what I just said

my take: there are probably a few reasons why it has dropped, but I'm assuming two main reasons why it's so much lower this season than the last 2 seasons:

* one is that the combination of Turner, Napier, and Curry were much better than Bazemore, Simons, and Hezonja at setting up open shots for teammates. Olshey chose a significant downgrade in facilitation options this year in his zeal to secure minutes for CJ and Simons and a point-forward role for Hezonja. It was dumb

* the other is that Nurkic and Meyers were much better passers than Whiteside and Skal, and were also a lot more familiar with the offense and Dame. I think that notion is supported by the fact that Dame's 3pt assisted rate last season dropped from 46% to 32% in the playoffs after Nurkic was out

the goal should have been to raise Dame's assisted rate from 46% to 60% instead of cutting it down to 40% of last season. But there were some major miscalculations boiling out of the GM's office last summer
Click to expand...

Ah yes, if you hear an inconvenient explanation that undermines your hypothesis, just dismiss it outright. Very scientific. Wave your hands a bit and then say the burden of proof has magically shifted. That will do it.

Dame shooting way more unassisted shots can’t have anything to do with Dame himself... blasphemy!
 
Blazers1977 said:
I’m saying your comments are statistically illiterate and demonstrate an inability to interpret “actual data.” You’re trying to say that averaging half more an assist per game, while playing more minutes, “proves” x, y, and z. It “proves” nothing of the sort. That’s not how any of this works, at all.

To answer your question. Yes, even my “eye test” is superior to you babbling about random factoids and tiny margins that demonstrate nothing. Take a logic class.
Click to expand...
Just because you say they're random factoids doesn't mean they are. If you say he's sharing the ball less and it's proven that he is actually sharing the ball more it doesn't matter how slight the margins are you're fucking wrong and your posts are stupid pieces of shit.
 
hoopsjock said:
Just because you say they're random factoids doesn't mean they are. If you say he's sharing the ball less and it's proven that he is actually sharing the ball more it doesn't matter how slight the margins are you're fucking wrong and your posts are stupid pieces of shit.
Click to expand...
No it means your arguments are illogical and ignore extremely obvious things like minutes per game

plus “sharing the ball” and “assists” are not perfect synonyms.

I also didn’t say “sharing the ball” I said he isn’t giving the ball where people want it and facilitating. Getting half an assist more than last year doesn’t prove shit. It’s a factoid.
 
Blazers1977 said:
No it means your arguments are illogical and ignore extremely obvious things like minutes per game

plus “sharing the ball” and “assists” are not perfect synonyms.

I also didn’t say “sharing the ball” I said he isn’t giving the ball where people want it and facilitating. Getting half an assist more than last year doesn’t prove shit. It’s a factoid.
Click to expand...
Dear lord how much time do you spend in here?
 
Blazers1977 said:
No it means your arguments are illogical and ignore extremely obvious things like minutes per game

plus “sharing the ball” and “assists” are not perfect synonyms.

I also didn’t say “sharing the ball” I said he isn’t giving the ball where people want it and facilitating. Getting half an assist more than last year doesn’t prove shit. It’s a factoid.
Click to expand...
Um you said that Dame wasn't sharing the ball and trusting his teammates like he did in a previous year. Potential assists per game takes out whether or not teammates hit shots so it's actually a good stat to use for if he's sharing the ball.

Don't like that because it proves your theory wrong how about this...

Assist % which is the % field goals for teammates you assist on while on the floor. It doesn't matter how many minutes you play.

Dame is averaging 32.3%, which is the 2nd highest of his career and more than each of the previous 3 seasons.
 
hoopsjock said:
Um you said that Dame wasn't sharing the ball and trusting his teammates like he did in a previous year. Potential assists per game takes out whether or not teammates hit shots so it's actually a good stat to use for if he's sharing the ball.

Don't like that because it proves your theory wrong how about this...

Assist % which is the % field goals for teammates you assist on while on the floor. It doesn't matter how many minutes you play.

Dame is averaging 32.3%, which is the 2nd highest of his career and more than each of the previous 3 seasons.
Click to expand...

assist % is a crude measure at best. You would expect his assist % to be higher on a roster filled with new players...

And your margins are tiny. He’s getting 1/2 of an assist more per game while playing more minutes and you’re trying to pretend this is some astonishing improvement in his passing.

You can keep repeating the same statistically illiterate arguments as many times as you want. They aren’t getting any better to anyone who knows how to read stats at a 9th grade level.
 
Last edited:
Blazers1977 said:
assist % is a crude measure at best. And your margins are tiny. You can keep repeating the same statistically illiterate arguments as many times as you want. They aren’t getting any better to anyone who knows how to read stats at a 9th grade level.
Click to expand...
Didn't you say you studied statistics? If you did that is the worst school in the world.
 
BonesJones said:
I'll give this guy credit for uniting the forum, even though it's against him.
Click to expand...
It’s more just you and your usual 3-4 forum bros

and it’s more uniting against statistical literacy than anything. Enjoy babbling nonsensically about factoids you don’t grasp the context of. That podcast will take off any day now.
 
BonesJones said:
I love how hard you're trying to sound smart.

It's already in the stratosphere.
Click to expand...

I’m speaking at a 10th grade reading level. If you think this is “sounding smart” you may have spent too much time on basketball while you were in college.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top