Lottery pick: #6, 2nd Rnd Picks: #36, and #57

[TBpup]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...heads-to-pros-after-joining-wildcats-midyear/

Shaedon Sharpe declares for the NBA.

 

[THE HCP]

Nobody in this thread will help keep Dame in town. You better hope we trade all these picks for vet help.

 

[wizenheimer]

Nobody in this thread will help keep Dame in town. You better hope we trade all these picks for vet help.

wut?

are you saying that if Portland uses the pick to draft a player Dame will demand a trade?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Nobody in this thread will help keep Dame in town. You better hope we trade all these picks for vet help.

What "vet help" do you think we could get with the 6th pick that would be worth the trade?

 

[illmatic99]

Was trying to take a break from posting until the lotto, but still can't get over how hasty and bad those trades were, especially when we don't have a finite plan in mind to convert that flexibility into talent.

That said, the only way to salvage value from what we just lost is to luck out in the lottery and/or trade back into the draft for an asset we can move for talent.

Ideas/scenarios:

- OKC has #4 + #12. If we jump them and they drop, we can try to get two picks for one.
- CHA has #13 + #15. Can try to get both for our pick.
- Spurs have #9, #20, #25. Can try to get all three of their picks for ours if we land high enough for a player they are targeting. (recall we traded #15 + #20 for #10 in the 2017 draft... ugh).
- Houston has their own pick + #17. Another potential trade partner depending on how the lottery goes.

All of this obviously depends on the results of the lottery. If we are in position to draft Paolo/Jabari, I don't want to bother trading back.

What a freaking blow this is to lose a major asset before we even start our summer.

 

[wizenheimer]

What a freaking blow this is to lose a major asset before we even start our summer.

well...if the plan was to use both the 11th pick and the 21M TPE to get Grant, this might have been a blessing in disguise...? Kind of like when Roy Hibbert or Greg Monroe or Chandler Parsons turned down max offers from the Blazers. Saving the Blazers from themselves

 

[illmatic99]

Also, my tier system for the draft is as follows:

1. Paolo
2. Jabari

3. Ivey
4. Chet

5. Murray

6-14 prolly all in the same boat.

The valuation for the picks should be considered accordingly, and we might still be able to target the player we want in the draft at a later pick.

(i'm trying to spin this shit to rationalize Cronin's stupidity but it's really difficult).

 

[illmatic99]

well...if the plan was to use both the 11th pick and the 21M TPE to get Grant, this might have been a blessing in disguise...? Kind of like when Roy Hibbert or Greg Monroe or Chandler Parsons turned down max offers from the Blazers. Saving the Blazers from themselves

i have been lukewarm on Grant from the beginning. But I had talked myself into trading for Grant with the NO pick, while using ours on a prospect.

The fact that that remains possibly off the table now is solace I suppose. But still hurts to lose our 2nd most valuable trade chip this soon. I had other targets like Randle who is on his way out. Siakam is killing his trade value right now and probably could be moved. Cam Johnson has long been on my list of targets. Etc etc. Now we don't have many avenues to land any of these guys IF they become available.

 

[wizenheimer]

i have been lukewarm on Grant from the beginning. But I had talked myself into trading for Grant with the NO pick, while using ours on a prospect.

The fact that that remains possibly off the table now is solace I suppose. But still hurts to lose probably the 2nd most valuable trade chip this soon. I had other targets like Randle who is on his way out. Siakam is killing his trade value right now and probably could be moved. Cam Johnson has long been on my list of targets. Etc etc. Now we don't have many avenues to land any of these guys IF they become available.

Randall is the same as Grant for me....meh

Cam Johnson might be available by the trade deadline next season because of Sarver pinching pennies. I don't think he'd be available at the draft

Siakam? Would a S&T of Simons + Bledose + 6th pick be too high a price?

 

[illmatic99]

Randall is the same as Grant for me....meh

same. I'm seeing Barnes/Collins also mentioned. They're all in the same tier for me for the most part.

Cam Johnson might be available by the trade deadline next season because of Sarver pinching pennies. I don't think he'd be available at the draft

depends on how their playoffs go, what happens with the Sarver investigation, and how they proceed with Ayton. They're obviously not in a $ crunch yet, but very soon will be. They might want to recoup assets now when his value has never been higher.

Siakam? Would a S&T of Simons + Bledose + 6th pick be too high a price?

way too much. Siakam's limitations are on full display in the playoffs. Think OG/Barnes have more trade value.

 

[wizenheimer]

way too much. Siakam's limitations are on full display in the playoffs. Think OG/Barnes have more trade value.

yeah, I think you're probably right

very well could be that something like Ant + Keegan Murray >> Siakam, even as early as next season

 

[Hoopguru]

yeah, I think you're probably right

very well maybe be that something like Ant + Keegan Murray >> Siakam, even as early as next season

Id do that...salaries would need to workout with others.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Also, my tier system for the draft is as follows:

1. Paolo
2. Jabari

3. Ivey
4. Chet

5. Murray

6-14 prolly all in the same boat. I'm going to disagree here. I would rate Davis and Mathurin at 6-7 as their own tier.

The valuation for the picks should be considered accordingly, and we might still be able to target the player we want in the draft at a later pick.

(i'm trying to spin this shit to rationalize Cronin's stupidity but it's really difficult).

 

[illmatic99]

yeah, I think you're probably right

very well maybe be that something like Ant + Keegan Murray >> Siakam, even as early as next season

yup, bottom line. we need to climb to top 4, then assess value of players available in the draft vs value we can trade back for.

Would NY consider #11 + Randle for #6 for example?
Or would ATL consider #16 + Collins for #6?

I need Cronin to be creative and maximize every ounce of value he can in any trades with our TPE and/or pick. No more of giving up assets for nothing. Desperately hoping we make a hire of his boss before the draft.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm going to disagree here. I would rate Davis and Mathurin at 6-7 as their own tier.

That's fine-- we'll see what shakes out come workout/combine time.

This was nbadraft.net's mock on 4/21/2012, approx 2 months before the draft, and a month before the lottery.



And here's how it ended up going after:



Still lots to figure out and change.

 

[B-Roy]

That's fine-- we'll see what shakes out come workout/combine time.

This was nbadraft.net's mock on 4/21/2012, approx 2 months before the draft, and a month before the lottery.

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And here's how it ended up going after:

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Still lots to figure out and change.

NBADraft.net's mocks have always been wacky.

 

[illmatic99]

NBADraft.net's mocks have always been wacky.

Was going through some of these old mocks-- it's actually quite interesting.

In april of 2012, Draftexpress had Dame going 13th with guys like Jared Sullinger and Perry Jones going top 10.

 

[RR7]

NBADraft.net's mocks have always been wacky.

I believe they essentially act as a big board at least until the lottery order is set. Not an actual mock of who they think will go where

 

[oldmangrouch]

Was going through some of these old mocks-- it's actually quite interesting.

In april of 2012, Draftexpress had Dame going 13th with guys like Jared Sullinger and Perry Jones going top 10.

Davis, Drummond, Sullinger, and Jones. 4 respected college big men who never reached their predicted value in the NBA because of physical issues. I would love to see a breakdown for the last 25-30 years of drafts and see how many top 10 rated bigs have fallen short of expectations due to their bodies not standing up to the demands of the NBA. My wild-ass guess is that it would be disturbingly high.

 

[illmatic99]

Davis, Drummond, Sullinger, and Jones. 4 respected college big men who never reached their predicted value in the NBA because of physical issues. I would love to see a breakdown for the last 25-30 years of drafts and see how many top 10 rated bigs have fallen short of expectations due to their bodies not standing up to the demands of the NBA. My wild-ass guess is that it would be disturbingly high.

Sorta did that here for the past 10 yrs.

I don't think it's necessarily White or American Born. I think the truly damning point is the CENTER. These all guys who can play C who have been drafted in the lottery the past ten years. I've bolded the guys who AREN'T busts (imo, ymmv). 10 out of 30 guys selected were either worthy of the high draft selection or out-performed it. That's a pretty paltry number. Obviously still some younigns on this list who could develop, but this is a snapshot.

What I notice is the extremely HIGH variance.

The 2016 draft especially had some colossal busts. Bender's skillset is fairly comparable to Holmgren's, but he was also 30 lbs heavier than Chet coming in to the draft.

2012:
Anthony Davis
Meyers Leonard
John Henson

2013:
Cody Zeller
Alex Len
Nerlens Noel
Steven Adams
Kelly Olynyk

2014:
Joel Embiid

2015:
Karl-Anthony Towns
Jahlil Okafor
Wiley Cauley-Stein
Frank Kaminsky
Myles Turner

2016:
Dragan Bender
Marquese Chriss
Jakob Poeltl
Thon Maker
Domantas Sabonis
Georgios Papagiannis

2017:
Zach Collins
Bam Adebayo

2018:
DeAndre Ayton
Marvin Bagley
Mo Bamba
Wendell Carter Jr.

2019:
Jaxon Hayes

2020:
James Wiseman
Onyeka Okongwu

2021:
Evan Mobley

In conclusion.... don't draft Centers in the lottery. I wanna see if we can do a similar analysis for other positions.

 

[Chris Craig]

That's fine-- we'll see what shakes out come workout/combine time.

This was nbadraft.net's mock on 4/21/2012, approx 2 months before the draft, and a month before the lottery.

View attachment 47309

And here's how it ended up going after:

View attachment 47310

Still lots to figure out and change.

I probably would have preferred Jarred Sullinger over Meyers Leonard.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I probably would have preferred Jarred Sullinger over Meyers Leonard.

In May 2021 he led his team in the Korean league to their title with a 42 pt/15 rb performance. True story.

 

[blazerfan11]

What "vet help" do you think we could get with the 6th pick that would be worth the trade?

Karl-Anthony Towns if we could get him.

 

[blazerfan11]

Jalen Brunson is having a hell of a game tonight. He was the 33rd pick in 2018.

 

[Mediocre Man]

 

[blazerfan11]

Yeah he is already moving into the top 4 in some of the mocks.

 

[BonesJones]

 

[OneSport3]

Both Herb Jones and Jose Alvarado were conference defensive players of the year in their last season in college. To copy the Pelicans playbook, maybe take Christian Koloko with the 36th pick. Koloko was the PAC-12 Defensive Player of the Year this season.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Both Herb Jones and Jose Alvarado were conference defensive players of the year in their last season in college. To copy the Pelicans playbook, maybe take Christian Koloko with the 36th pick. Koloko was the PAC-12 Defensive Player of the Year this season.

I would be surprised if Koloko lasted until 36th.

 

[OneSport3]

I would be surprised if Koloko lasted until 36th.

I too would be surprised if he lasted to 36th but the ESPN Mock Draft actually has us taking him at 36th. The Bleacher Report/SI mock had him falling to 37th.