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wizenheimer said:
LOL...have you seen me rate any players in this draft? The only one I've talked about is Holmgren, and I haven't talked much about him

so, even though you won't bother with the discussion anymore, I'll repeat that I think it would be dumb for Portland to draft a player in the top-3 to be a long term backup. If Ivey is that good, then the Blazers should consider trading Simons instead of Hart
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That's reasonable. You could also have one be a 6th MOY candidate for a couple of years until Dame retires. :gasoline:
 
oldmangrouch said:
That's reasonable. You could also have one be a 6th MOY candidate for a couple of years until Dame retires. :gasoline:
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sure...ok

but personally I think the Blazers biggest problem in the Olshey-era is they have had way too much talent, usage, and salary invested in guards and not anywhere close to enough invested in wings and forwards. If Ivey is that good then a Dame-Ivey-Hart rotation in the back court might make a lot more sense than a Dame-Simon-Ivey rotation. Especially if Simons is as good as many here believe, the rest of the NBA agrees, and Portland can fetch an all-star level forward for trading Simons
 
wizenheimer said:
sure...ok

but personally I think the Blazers biggest problem in the Olshey-era is they have had way too much talent, usage, and salary invested in guards and not anywhere close to enough invested in wings and forwards. If Ivey is that good then a Dame-Ivey-Hart rotation in the back court might make a lot more sense than a Dame-Simon-Ivey rotation. Especially if Simons is as good as many here believe, the rest of the NBA agrees, and Portland can fetch an all-star level forward for trading Simons
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I think Ivey is the one guy of the top 4 draft candidates whose game will translate to the NBA immediately. He's great at attacking the hoop and getting to the free-throw line. (He shot 53% on 2-pointers and his free throws per 100 possessions was 11.0 this past season.) He shot only 36% on 3-pointers (a lot of them from well behind the line) but that improved from 26% his freshman year. Another area he needs to improve on is his free-throw shooting percentage, which is only 74%. If he can improve in those two areas, his TS% could go from Anfernee Simons level (.579 as a sophomore) to something like Damian Lillard. Something to note is that his assist to turnover ratio is only 1.2 so he's not a point guard right now.
 
blazerkor said:
TPEs cannot be combined with anything else including other TPEs.
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I get that. I was simply saying all of those assets can be used as vehicles to getting the starting forwards which would complete the team in that scenario, that that they would all be combined to get two players.
 
Tince said:
Wow, you don't think Cronin will be the GM next season? I thought it was a foregone conclusion they were going to keep Joe on the cheap.
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With the team going up for sale, it makes zero sense for Cronin not to be GM. If I am buying the team, I’d want MY guy in there. Hiring someone new makes no sense
 
Tince said:
Wow, you don't think Cronin will be the GM next season? I thought it was a foregone conclusion they were going to keep Joe on the cheap.
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I think you are correct on this also. The team is for sale now or they said it will be "Auctioned". I don't see any GM moves until a new owner is in place.
 
Mediocre Man said:
With the team going up for sale, it makes zero sense for Cronin not to be GM. If I am buying the team, I’d want MY guy in there. Hiring someone new makes no sense
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Good point, but why dont they take the interim away? Also, why would they go through a search if their plan was not to hire a gm? If they sell the team soon, Dame, Chauncey could be part of major changes too.
The sale may not happen till Dames 34/35? if at all.
 
Hoopguru said:
Good point, but why dont they take the interim away? Also, why would they go through a search if their plan was not to hire a gm? If they sell the team soon, Dame, Chauncey could be part of major changes too.
The sale may not happen till Dames 34/35? if at all.
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My opinion is they need to look “thorough” after the Billups hire
 
RR7 said:
Oh for God's sake let the game play out. Fucking ridiculous
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Sorry but I felt the Pelicans were already the favorite tonight before the PG13 news, they handled the Clips pretty well in the regular season going 3-1 with a +37 point differential over those four games. Granted LA won the most recent game but the two teams just had vibes going in opposite directions before the PG news.
 
bigbailes said:
Sorry but I felt the Pelicans were already the favorite tonight before the PG13 news, they handled the Clips pretty well in the regular season going 3-1 with a +37 point differential over those four games. Granted LA won the most recent game but the two teams just had vibes going in opposite directions before the PG news.
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wut?

the Pels ended the season going 5-5 over their last 10 games, and those 5 wins came against the Lakers (twice), the Blazers (twice), and the Kings. That's not a team on a roll or a team generating good vibes. That's a .500 team doing .500 things

meanwhile, the Clippers won 6 of 7 games after getting PG13 back, and the one loss was in OT at Chicago
 
wizenheimer said:
wut?

the Pels ended the season going 5-5 over their last 10 games, and those 5 wins came against the Lakers (twice), the Blazers (twice), and the Kings. That's not a team on a roll or a team generating good vibes. That's a .500 team doing .500 things

meanwhile, the Clippers won 6 of 7 games after getting PG13 back, and the one loss was in OT at Chicago
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Didn't realize LA had won 5 in a row to close out the season, while Pels won 5 of 8 ... just the vibe I got casually looking at box scores. NO was the superior team against over an overmatched SA team, while the Clips did what the Clips do most postseasons and that's wilt down the stretch against Minny. No worries they get to settle it on the court tonight, glad you're more optimistic about LAs chances than some of us.
 
The key tonight is keeping Ingram from a huge night. I think Nic, Morris & Norm can be physical with him and hopefully contain him. CJ will be defended better tonight imo and they have some depth. Losing PG hurts but teams often rally with others stepping up. Plus, Ballmer will give then an ultimatum win and we party, lose and we tear it down.

Clippers 123
Pelicans 115
 
wizenheimer said:
wut?

the Pels ended the season going 5-5 over their last 10 games, and those 5 wins came against the Lakers (twice), the Blazers (twice), and the Kings. That's not a team on a roll or a team generating good vibes. That's a .500 team doing .500 things

meanwhile, the Clippers won 6 of 7 games after getting PG13 back, and the one loss was in OT at Chicago
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Now you're just being contrary. With Pierce out the complexion of the game is completely changed.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Now you're just being contrary. With Pierce out the complexion of the game is completely changed.
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Ricky Pierce?....:)

check what I was responding too. It was about the "vibes" the two teams had before the PG news. The Pels don't deserve much in the way positive vibes for being at home and beating a team that was 14 games under .500; especially considering that they were 5-5 in the 10 games before that and all 5 wins had come against lottery teams that were tanking
 
wizenheimer said:
Ricky Pierce?....:)

check what I was responding too. It was about the "vibes" the two teams had before the PG news. The Pels don't deserve much in the way positive vibes for being at home and beating a team that was 14 games under .500; especially considering that they were 5-5 in the 10 games before that and all 5 wins had come against lottery teams that were tanking
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Good lord, what was I thinking of?? That was a brain fart of epic proportion! :craphead:
 
In round numbers, we have a 30% chance to move up and a 50% chance to move down. The term "scam" springs to mind. Also "hosejob" and a few less polite terms.
 
I think it’s funny that some of you believe we will stay at 6. What’s the farthest this pick can drop?
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think it’s funny that some of you believe we will stay at 6. What’s the farthest this pick can drop?
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It looks like there's a one in a thousand chance that we drop to ten. The way I look at it the most likely scenario has us at 7 or 8 (50.3%) and the second most likely scenario has us picking in the top 4 (37.2%). The most likely pick by a good margin is 7, then 8, then 4, 3, 2, 1 and then 6. The chances aren't high at all that we pick at 9 (3.7%).
 
blazerkor said:
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It looks like there's a one in a thousand chance that we drop to ten. The way I look at it the most likely scenario has us at 7 or 8 (50.3%) and the second most likely scenario has us picking in the top 4 (37.2%). The most likely pick by a good margin is 7, then 8, then 4, 3, 2, 1 and then 6. The chances aren't high at all that we pick at 9 (3.7%).
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Wow, thanks for this. So who at 10 do we like?
 
If we won the lotto and got the first pick and that pushed the Thunder out of the top 4. Do you think we would and the Thunder would trade the first pick for the fifth and eleventh? The thing that would then happen if Cronin was still fucking in charge is that we would draft Murray and trade 11 for Grant.

Is Dame, Ant, Grant, Murray, Nurk, Hart, Nas, Winslow, a big with the 35th pick and whoever pops from our young guys better than what we've been playing with the previous 6 seasons before this one? Would Dame, Ant, Hart or Nas, Jabari, Nurk, Hart or Nas, Ingles, Winslow, TPMLE PG and 35th pick big be better than the previous option and would it be getting us closer to contention than we've been during the Dame/CJ/Olshey/Stotts era?

Unfortunately I don't see a lot of pathways for us to get better than we were before this year. I think we are kind of stuck again and those situations above have us winning big in the lotto. If Cronin is still the fucking GM and we get pushed back to 8th which isn't unlikely by any means, he might just send the 8th pick to Detroit for Grant and like the 47th pick. I don't think Dame, Ant, Hart, Grant, Nurk, Nas, Winslow and whoever pops out of our young guys and two second rounders is better than what we've had before this season either.
 
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