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Mediocre Man said:
Virtually every year SOMEONE stands out. Even in the worst draft, like 2013, guys like CJ and Giannis shine
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Neither of those two guys shined in a way that could make a big impact on a contending team for at least three seasons. This season I think Paolo will be an immediate big impact scorer and if he got a coach like Chauncey he might be able to impact both sides of the ball positively. I know that Jabari will automatically have an impact on both ends, the question is will that be an impact as a 3 and D specialist PF or as a star level two way player. Boom or bust on Chet and I don't think he'll be booming next season on a playoff team or contender. I think Ivey will possibly be the most impactful of all of the players in this draft on both ends. His level of aggression and motor are insane for a guy with his talents and skills. We just wouldn't be able to play him enough minutes or get him enough usage on offense for him to have that impact on this team.
 
blazerkor said:
Neither of those two guys shined in a way that could make a big impact on a contending team for at least three seasons. This season I think Paolo will be an immediate big impact scorer and if he got a coach like Chauncey he might be able to impact both sides of the ball positively. I know that Jabari will automatically have an impact on both ends, the question is will that be an impact as a 3 and D specialist PF or as a star level two way player. Boom or bust on Chet and I don't think he'll be booming next season on a playoff team or contender. I think Ivey will possibly be the most impactful of all of the players in this draft on both ends. His level of aggression and motor are insane for a guy with his talents and skills. We just wouldn't be able to play him enough minutes or get him enough usage on offense for him to have that impact on this team.
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My response was to someone who said no one from this draft will make an impact in year one or the third year. That’s false.
 
Mediocre Man said:
My response was to someone who said no one from this draft will make an impact in year one or the third year. That’s false.
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Agreed, it has a ton of guys that could, so definitely some of them will. I just don't know if anything we can do with the trades we made and the subsequent tanking will propel us forward to a contender built around Dame like Cronin stated his goal was... not next season or in three.
 
blazerkor said:
[...] I would only take Agbaji if I thought he could beat out Nas for starting SF because I think if Eason, Sochan, Sharpe or even Jovic are there, they might beat out Nas and all have more upside in my opinion than Agbaji. If you think Agbaji is our starter at SF next season then for sure you could take him instead of whichever of those guys I just mentioned.

That being said, again I have to think that if we end up 6-8 and Atlanta really likes someone in that range a lot that they might be willing to trade their picks at 13 and 14 to move up and that might salvage Cronin's plan to get an impact rookie and Grant.
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The question that is Nassir Little was part of the equation for me, but now that the Pelican Pick evaporated, Little is the biggest question. [My assumptions: Lillard stays. Simons and Nurkic sign with the Blazers. Hart stays.]

How good is Little and what is a reasonable projection of his starting next year and moving forward? I realize his injuries make this more difficult to predict. There are people on this board -- both eyeball and stat people -- who have a good take on Little. I can see that both by 100 possessions and per 36 minutes that doubling his time on court per game resulted in increased production. He didn't get better in all categories, just most. He's reaching the threshold of 3 point attempts to see what he is from range (though a half season still leaves that as less than defined). His height is 2-3 inches short of preferred at SF, but his length and athleticism help. [Then again, if he was 6'8, he'd have gone higher in his draft class.]

I'm in the don't know category.

If SF is the draftee BPA's position, will he beat out Little? If the answer is likely to highly likely, then keeping Ingles as the backup (along with the bench crew who are worth it) and shipping Little + sweetener elsewhere makes sense. If Little is the guy, then draft the guy who logs PF minutes or go get one (even if it's Grant) with the pick.

This draft class isn't amazing, but the targets in Portland's range (presently) look good. Will they be better than RoCo? Nance? Chief? Easy Ed? ET? Hoodie? Mo? Batum? That's not a high bar at either forward position. In other words, are the draftees in range a significant improvement even if not at star level?
 
blazerfan11 said:
I think Jaden Ivey will be the player teams regret not taking if they pass on him. It'll be something like 2018 when Ayton and Bagley were taken before Doncic and Trae Young.
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Ivey, and maybe Sharpe, look like guys who could be stars. I add Sharpe in there even with the lack of information on him. Maybe, maybe not. This draft doesn't look to have flat-out superstar prospects. I do like this draft for what Portland needs.
 
Are people overrating Ivey because of the recent rise of Ja? Why is he not just like Dennis smith jr?
 
Freshtown said:
Are people overrating Ivey because of the recent rise of Ja? Why is he not just like Dennis smith jr?
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6'10" wingspan for Ivey vs only 6'5" for Smith. Ivey is a better outside shooter. Ivey much better on D then Smith. Smith could explode and dunk on people but that was really all he could do in the NBA reliably.

I not saying Ivey will be the Ja of today but he will be much better than Dennis.
 
BigGameDamian said:
We will probably pick for position rather then the best player available and have regrets.
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Assuming we keep the pick, that concerns me as well. Depending on how the balls bounce the BPA could be Ivey or Davis. I still think drafting a PF or big wing would be ideal, but don't pass on talent because of position.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
The question that is Nassir Little was part of the equation for me, but now that the Pelican Pick evaporated, Little is the biggest question. [My assumptions: Lillard stays. Simons and Nurkic sign with the Blazers. Hart stays.]

How good is Little and what is a reasonable projection of his starting next year and moving forward? I realize his injuries make this more difficult to predict. There are people on this board -- both eyeball and stat people -- who have a good take on Little. I can see that both by 100 possessions and per 36 minutes that doubling his time on court per game resulted in increased production. He didn't get better in all categories, just most. He's reaching the threshold of 3 point attempts to see what he is from range (though a half season still leaves that as less than defined). His height is 2-3 inches short of preferred at SF, but his length and athleticism help. [Then again, if he was 6'8, he'd have gone higher in his draft class.]

I'm in the don't know category.

If SF is the draftee BPA's position, will he beat out Little? If the answer is likely to highly likely, then keeping Ingles as the backup (along with the bench crew who are worth it) and shipping Little + sweetener elsewhere makes sense. If Little is the guy, then draft the guy who logs PF minutes or go get one (even if it's Grant) with the pick.

This draft class isn't amazing, but the targets in Portland's range (presently) look good. Will they be better than RoCo? Nance? Chief? Easy Ed? ET? Hoodie? Mo? Batum? That's not a high bar at either forward position. In other words, are the draftees in range a significant improvement even if not at star level?
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Little...
Aint the guy.
I just think his ceiling is extremely low, if not already reached.
Kinda reminds me of a guy I had huge hopes for, years ago, Elliot Williams.
Showed flashes, never consistently, always had nagging injuries, amazing athletic skills. Never materialized.
And I truly hope I am so wrong about this.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
By then we will be a year into the DeSantis presidency and he will have bombed Portland for being "too woke"
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On the bright side, maybe we could then clean up what has become an eye sore and return it to the beautiful city it used to be.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Virtually every year SOMEONE stands out. Even in the worst draft, like 2013, guys like CJ and Giannis shine
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Do you mean EVENTUALLY, or in year one? Because EVENTUALLY somebody always does, but some draft classes are very meh in their first year - that's how you get ROYs like Brogdon, Carter-Williams and Tyreke Evans.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Do you mean EVENTUALLY, or in year one? Because EVENTUALLY somebody always does, but some draft classes are very meh in their first year - that's how you get ROYs like Brogdon, Carter-Williams and Tyreke Evans.
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Blake Griffin
Harden
Steph

all in Tyreke Evans draft

Simmons
Brown
Ingram

in the Brogdan draft



All those players were good in year 1 or 2

There are more, but you get the gist
 
wizenheimer said:
I wonder is Chicago would take the Milwaukee pick in exchange for the pick Portland owes them. Probably not

I wonder if they would lift the protections for the 36th pick + cash?
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Would rather try to trade a future 1st. Or try to get a 1st for Keon and flip it to Chicago.

I'm just afraid of what Cronin would do if we had all our picks.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Do you mean EVENTUALLY, or in year one? Because EVENTUALLY somebody always does, but some draft classes are very meh in their first year - that's how you get ROYs like Brogdon, Carter-Williams and Tyreke Evans.
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Tyrese averaged 20 his rookie year. Not a bad ROY at all.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Do you mean EVENTUALLY, or in year one? Because EVENTUALLY somebody always does, but some draft classes are very meh in their first year - that's how you get ROYs like Brogdon, Carter-Williams and Tyreke Evans.
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That's true. If we had gotten the pick this year, by 2023 we would have an idea what we have. Now we likely won't know until 2206 or 27. Whether you support trading Dame or trying to build around him, the pick becomes is irrelevant.

Aargh! 2026 not 2206!
 
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Freshtown said:
Are people overrating Ivey because of the recent rise of Ja? Why is he not just like Dennis smith jr?
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Why is he not just like Dennis Smith Jr.? The better question is, "what the heck happened to Dennis Smith Jr.?"
It looks like for sure Smith Jr. was drafted by the wrong team. Rick Carlisle wanted Donovan Mitchell and as the season went on lost trust in Smith Jr. even though he was a rookie. It got worse when Luka Doncic arrived the next season.
"Multiple players were shocked during one early-season team meeting when Carlisle accused Smith of being jealous of Doncic, sources said. The players considered it incredibly unfair to Smith, who wasn't playing well but was making an honest effort to mesh with Doncic on the court. Doncic particularly resented what he perceived as Carlisle's attempt to pit him against his friend and teammate, team sources said."

 
Hoopguru said:
The key tonight is keeping Ingram from a huge night. I think Nic, Morris & Norm can be physical with him and hopefully contain him. CJ will be defended better tonight imo and they have some depth. Losing PG hurts but teams often rally with others stepping up. Plus, Ballmer will give then an ultimatum win and we party, lose and we tear it down.

Clippers 123
Pelicans 115
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It’s over man. We didn’t get the pick
 


Bill Patton. The only actor to be killed by an alien, a predator, a terminator, and agent Coulson. Uniquely qualified to be a Blazer GM!
 
oldmangrouch said:


Bill Patton. The only actor to be killed by an alien, a predator, a terminator, and agent Coulson. Uniquely qualified to be a Blazer GM!
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Unfortunately Bill Paxton was taken from us too soon at the age of 61 around five years ago, so his unique qualifications will not be of use to the Blazers as a GM but if he were alive I would sing off on it.
 
e_blazer said:
As we all know, @Mediocre Man has his own rule about drafting centers. After the Oden, Zach Collins and Meyers Leonard picks, my own rule is the Blazers should NEVER draft a center, no matter what color, nationality, or apparent glowing physicals may tell you. This franchise is cursed at the 5 spot. I'll take Nurk and use the pick on the best 3 or 4 available.
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This post made me laugh. HOWEVER, it is SO true. We SUCK at drafting centers. Always have. Always will.....
 
Mediocre Man said:
Virtually every year SOMEONE stands out. Even in the worst draft, like 2013, guys like CJ and Giannis shine
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I mean none of these guys will start and make the team a contender.
 
The frustrating part is there remains no clear plan or direction. No one really knows if they are building around Damian still (i guess they are?),or starting over (they unloaded contracts for young guys and picks so maybe?), or trying to do both? Is it just a retool but at same time get younger? There must be a plan that suddenly unfolds right before our eyes, because as of now I have no idea
 
calvin natt said:
The frustrating part is there remains no clear plan or direction. No one really knows if they are building around Damian still (i guess they are?),or starting over (they unloaded contracts for young guys and picks so maybe?), or trying to do both? Is it just a retool but at same time get younger? There must be a plan that suddenly unfolds right before our eyes, because as of now I have no idea
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Great post
 
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