OT Man kills two on Portland MAX

[oldfisherman]

We have an acceleration currently in progress today. We often learned we the view of a person and their contempt of us before we meet the man. Others have cataloged and characterized us, even labeled us before we have greeted one another. Hard to accept one another in such expedient world, where this typing takes place before any possibility of a smile and handshake could possible alter the course.

I might have this wrong, but I would call what you describe as prejudice. The boundary lines of prejudice have definitely moved a lot in my lifetime.

 

[MarAzul]

While walking on the very crowded Ginza sidewalk in Tokyo, I was trying my hardest to watch out for others. Then I felt something wrong with my last step. I looked down, I had stepped on a very small tiny lady. She just smiled and walked on like nothing happened. But I felt like shit for not seeing her. How she got around in the 10 lane wide conga line going in four directions is beyond me.

I had a development group in Kawasaki. Some of them lived a 100 or more miles away from where they worked. They couldn't take the train everyday so they only went home about twice a week.
The other days they had a sort of locker rented to sleep in locally. It reminded me of the large lockers that were once available to rent in Bus stations.

 

[MarAzul]

I might have this wrong, but I would call what you describe as prejudice. The boundary lines of prejudice have definitely moved a lot in my lifetime.

We get a daily dose from many sources.

 

[oldfisherman]

I had a development group in Kawasaki. Some of them lived a 100 or more miles away from where they worked. They couldn't take the train everyday so they only went home about twice a week.
The other days they had a sort of locker rented to sleep in locally. It reminded me of the large lockers that were once available to rent in Bus stations.

I was also in Japan on business. Visited a company we did business with that was located in the northern part of the main Island. The area was beautiful and very similar to our Pacific NW. The hotel I stayed in had large natural hot spring bathing/swimming pools. (Men and women were separated).

The Japanese company took me on a tour of Japan, at their expense. They gave me a translator that took care of everything. We flew to Kyoto and spent a couple of days sightseeing and than the bullet train to Tokyo for a couple days of sightseeing before I flew home.

Had one very unusually experience in Japan. On one of my sight seeing trips, I took a tour bus from the hotel. Along the way I purchased Japanese dolls for my young nieces, but left them on the bus. The next morning I had a message. Went down and the hotel desk clerk handed me the shopping bag with everything in it. How they knew the bag was mine is a mystery, the tour bus company had to go to some trouble to get it back to me. I doubt that would ever happen in this country.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I probably shouldn't say this, but I cant help but wonder why 3 guys couldn't effectively (without two of them dying) stop this bastard.

 

[barfo]

Similar experience: After way too many beers, I forgot my laptop at a restaurant in Tokyo. When I noticed, back at the hotel across town, asked the desk clerk what to do (restaurant was closed by then). Answer: 'very sorry, we will call'. Half an hour later, my laptop was delivered.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Ha! You know I have thought about that problem a lot when I was in some of the cities in Asia, like Tokyo, Hong Kong, Seoul, Singapore.
You would be appalled to be packed onto a commuter train like they do in Tokyo. They actually do have people employed to push people in so the doors will shut.
I was on one train where we where so jammed in, I would have freaked out but for I was way the tallest anywhere near me. Head above the crowd, looked down and this small lady jammed into my armpit, but she was calmly enduring the unfortunate circumstances.

Sometimes is is so damn crowed even on the sidewalks that I need to take time out, shit I can't take this!!! Well they take it as the way it is. I think you are stuck with watching out. When you are accustomed to too many people, there isn't enough time to be polite to them all, so they don't exist and your space is your own.

I just asked my friend, his wife is Japanese and he's been a couple of times. (I don't even want to know if the toilet stories he tells are true)

Annyway, he said his wife had to tell him how to behave on escalators and moving sidewalks because people would try to run you over.

On the moving walkways at the airport I walk, you make great time. On an escalator it doesn't help much.

I'd feel like Bigfoot in Japan, I bet Shaq felt like Godzilla

 

[H.C.]

I probably shouldn't say this, but I cant help but wonder why 3 guys couldn't effectively (without two of them dying) stop this bastard.

A surprise attack is a surprise attack.

Oh wait nvm, according to some in this thread the three terrorists, and two terrorists in training asked for it by being on the max, & approached the white victim aggressively.
I bet it wasn't even his knife, I bet it was the Muslim's knife.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

A surprise attack is a surprise attack.

Oh wait nvm, according to some in this thread the three terrorists, and two terrorists in training asked for it by being on the max, & approached the white victim aggressively.
I bet it wasn't even his knife, I bet it was the Muslim's knife.

So true. The muslim girl probably had a shitty suicide bomb dud stuffed with knives and this hero grabbed it out of thin air and stabbed the white terrorists with it.

Good shit. Then again here's another racist psychopath hero of mine. I was going to suggest a gladiator style deathmatch between this piece of shit nutjob and the Portland piece of shit nutjob but now you've opened my eyes to his heroics.

http://www.newsweek.com/anthony-hammond-hate-crime-us-clearlake-617485

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Just for clarification, I have been suggesting that it wasn't a good idea to confront the nutcase involved based only on what I knew at the time.

If we ever get to see the video there still might be something I don't encourage but I'm only speaking from experience of having to stop myself from escalating situations. I had the police at my house last Wednesday, got no satisfaction out of it. Would have rather beaten the person they were planning to arrest before their supervisor told them not to.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

http://www.newsweek.com/anthony-hammond-hate-crime-us-clearlake-617485

What regular old racist doesn't think every black guy on Earth has a gun tucked in his waistband?

Clearly mentally ill.

 

[The Professional Fan]

 

[MarAzul]

A surprise attack is a surprise attack.

Oh wait nvm, according to some in this thread the three terrorists, and two terrorists in training asked for it by being on the max, & approached the white victim aggressively.
I bet it wasn't even his knife, I bet it was the Muslim's knife.

Just for clarification, I have been suggesting that it wasn't a good idea to confront the nutcase involved based only on what I knew at the time.

If we ever get to see the video there still might be something I don't encourage but I'm only speaking from experience of having to stop myself from escalating situations. I had the police at my house last Wednesday, got no satisfaction out of it. Would have rather beaten the person they were planning to arrest before their supervisor told them not to.

Interesting reading the different points of view on what to do with this dude.

But I sort of take these observations as part of a the new world.

Fifty years ago we did not let nut jobs run freely about the city challenging people to combat.
Now apparently we are going to do so and consider what ever shit they do as free speech until they take it to a crime like sticking some poor SOB.
I think it is silly to advise people to be heroes in the face of an armed threat.
You never know what the threats capabilities are and that is why we have in the past relied on police to handle the menace.
But it appears they will not do anything with these types before the disaster happens and there are no guards on trains.
I conclude a person should be armed if you going to live in this environment.
Taking on an armed threat while unarmed and without protection is not a sound plan. Accepting combat when unarmed is not a sound plan unless it is force upon you,
And then survival is questionable depending on your training and physical capacity.
However the later is true even when you are armed.

You really do not want untrained armed people riding the trains so we all need training and each should have lost their fear of weapons before boarding.
The weapon of choice should be adequate to stop the aggressor, but of moderate power to avoid hitting others. That means close range with intent to render the aggressor motionless while making a special effort to insure his body absorbs each round.
.22 Long Rifles, the first to the heavy body mass (liver) to freeze him and the next two to the nose and the Medula oblongata behind if he remains erect after the first. If he bends over, then the next two to the top of the head down into the neck. The human body should absorb all three rounds fired from less than 5 feet to insure they are delivered on target. Heavier armament is inappropriate in the crowed environment.

Leadership is failing in every aspect of this case.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

.22 Long Rifles

Sure, that would work.

 

[oldfisherman]

the first to the heavy body mass (liver) to freeze him and the next two to the nose and the Medula oblongata behind if he remains erect after the first. If he bends over, then the next two to the top of the head down into the neck. The human body should absorb all three rounds fired from less than 5 feet to insure they are delivered on target. Heavier armament is inappropriate in the crowed environment.

Leadership is failing in every aspect of this case.

Just an opinion.

If your first shot freezes the aggressor. Making a case that the next two shots where in self defense will be very difficult.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Sure, that would work.

Gotta redesign trains so everyone lays in a prone position. In fact, psycho might not have known the girl was a Muslim if he's looking at her shoes.

 

[MarAzul]

Gotta redesign trains so everyone lays in a prone position.

Naw, we ain't shooting down through that crowd, remember I said less than 5' That means the aggressor is right in front of you. Other wise he is someone else's responsibility.

 

[MarAzul]

Sure, that would work.

Glade you agree.
22 LR fire from short barrel hand gun have about 1/2 the velocity of a rifle but still up to the task.

 

[MarAzul]

Just an opinion.

If your first shot freezes the aggressor. Making a case that the next two shots where in self defense will be very difficult.

The three round volly better be rather rapid if you want to insure you don't get cut.
But I agree, might need to spruce up the story.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Naw, we ain't shooting down through that crowd, remember I said less than 5' That mean the aggressor in right in front of you. Other wise he is someone else's responsibility.

Just playing along with Sly

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Uhhhh, i already knew that. So the media had already told me.

There was that fundraiser and two gofundmes.

 

[barfo]

Install tasers in the train, and buttons to fire the tasers at every seat. Anyone moves or says anything, any passenger can taze the entire train (self included).

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Install tasers in the train, and buttons to fire the tasers at every seat. Anyone moves or says anything, any passenger can taze the entire train (self included).

barfo

I've actually thought pepper spray misters would be good in an emergency. The problem is people pulling the handle and jumping off or just taking the pain so everyone else has to.

When I lived in East Las Vegas I kept getting graffiti on my wall, was going to rig something up and watch for them on a night vision camera. Would have been awesome until they burnt my house down for doing it.

 

[MarAzul]

Just playing along with Sly

Sly is another matter. I expect he just bites the hell out of the hand that holds the Knife.
You're never disarmed with a mouth full canine teeth.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Uhhhh, i already knew that. So the media had already told me.

There was that fundraiser and two gofundmes.

Ok. What's your point? Because you knew, everyone knew? I'm confused

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Ok. What's your point? Because you knew, everyone knew? I'm confused

Not really a point or against you. I think its great the victims will inherit so much money.

It has been in the media. Maybe not viral, but i've read it a couple times already. So venting annoyance. Hate twitter.

 

[THE HCP]

 

[H.C.]

Fifty years ago we did not let nut jobs run freely about the city challenging people to combat.

You like to do this so often, I'll return the favor.

Fifty years ago people were freely shot and murdered based on the color of their skin.
You need to do some reflection, because I know people in your generation who aren't progressives or libtards as you so much often call them. Who would question your sanity.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You like to do this so often, I'll return the favor.

Fifty years ago people were freely shot and murdered based on the color of their skin.
You need to do some reflection.

I'll have to ask my dad how many darkies he shot on the cold mean streets of Ridgefield.

Now people are just shot for the fun of it like in Chicago.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You like to do this so often, I'll return the favor.

Fifty years ago people were freely shot and murdered based on the color of their skin.
You need to do some reflection, because I know people in your generation who aren't progressives or libtards as you so much to often call them. Who would question your sanity.

Considering the race of the 2 girls this guy targeted I would say people are still killing over skin color.