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https://syndication.bleacherreport....move-gasol-jordan-mirotic-and-others.amp.html

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: SF/PF Maurice Harkless, C Meyers Leonard, C Jusuf Nurkic, 2018 lottery-protected first-round pick, 2019 second-round pick (via Los Angeles Lakers or Minnesota Timberwolves)

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: C Marc Gasol, SF/PF James Ennis

Firing head coach David Fizdale, getting slammed by injuries and losing 18 of the past 21 games has not changed the Memphis Grizzlies' party line: They're not prepared to sell off Mike Conley and Marc Gasol for tanking's sake.

"We think our window is still very much open with Mike and Marc," general manager Chris Wallace told ESPN.com's Zach Lowe. "I think we'll be heard from the rest of this year, and in years to come."

That's all well and good. But franchise aims shift quickly amid downward spirals. The Grizzlies will lose enough with Conley and Gasol to preserve their lottery odds. Keeping the former is the only play anyway. Conley has four years (including this one) and $126 million left on his deal. No team absorbs that, let alone surrenders value for it, when he's coping with Achilles issues.

Gasol is in slightly different territory. He has a player option for 2019-20, ahead of his age-35 season. His value only goes down from here. He's amenable to a trade, according to Lowe, and Memphis has to at least consider moving him when he'll be treated as an over-the-hill expiring contract in less than one year's time.

Extracting this combination of assets from the Portland Trail Blazers helps the Grizzlies straddle two windows. They won't be good enough to ruin this season's nosedive and are securing a pu-pu platter of assets that'll help them into 2018-19 and beyond.

Jusuf Nurkic is a legitimate successor to Gasol. He's inferior in nearly every area of the game but remains a serviceable passer, post scorer and dropback rim protector. He doesn't turn 24 until August and shouldn't come close to costing the $72.3 million Gasol is owed through 2019-20.

Maurice Harkless is a great hedge against Tyreke Evans' upcoming free agency. He cannot jumpstart pick-and-rolls in volume, and his shooting is shaky. But he has hit threes at or around the league average in the past and remains a defensive pest on the wings. The Grizzlies should have no trouble swallowing Meyers Leonard's contract if it means getting a first-rounder. He's shooting 53.8 percent from deep (7-of-13) in limited action, and they can try grooming him in the image of a souped-up Jarell Martin.

Portland shouldn't have to think long or hard about this deal. Shedding Leonard and avoiding Nurkic's next contract offsets what they'll pay Gasol, and he's an ideal big for head coach Terry Stotts' conservative defensive approach. He doesn't need to be especially mobile to protect the house while dropping back.

Committing around $90 million to Gasol, Damian Lillard, C.J. McCollum and Evan Turner is no joke. But again: The Blazers are on the cusp of cannonballing into similar territory next season. They might as well pay Gasol what Nurkic and Leonard will combine to make through each of the next two years, then revisit their direction in 2020, when both Big Burrito and Turner are off the ledger.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/articl...sf/2017/12/marc_gasol_trade_trail_blazers.amp

As the Memphis Grizzlies ' free fall continues, many in the NBA community wonder if their championship window is beginning to close on star center Marc Gasol . And if so, would the Grizzlies be willing to trade him?

Memphis General Manager Chris Wallace has flat out said they have no interest in moving Gasol. But after a summer of change and a considerable amount of money invested in Gasol and oft-injured guard Mike Conley, the question becomes whether or not that duo is still a foundation on which the Grizzlies can build a championship-caliber team. Gasol has been the heart of this team for a decade, but in a recentinterview with Zach Lowe of ESPN , the star center admitted he would be open to a move


If the team came to him with a trade, Gasol would accept it. "If they think it is best, I would do anything for this franchise," Gasol said.

Wallace and other higher-ups are adamant that is unlikely, even as the losses mount. That seems stubborn, and there is almost certainly a scenario -- perhaps Conley getting reinjured, or taking longer than expected to return -- where Memphis tests the market. But even in that doomsday sequence, the Grizzlies may even prefer to hold their stars out here and there in some selective tankery, nab a high draft pick, and reload for another run at 45-plus wins.

At 32, Gasol is at the top of his game with over two years left on his current deal. He's posting averages of 19 points, eight rebounds and four assists per contest through 27 games this season. With the struggles of Jusuf Nurkic this season and Zach Collins still in the early stages of his development, thePortland Trail Blazers seem like a team who could greatly benefit from the presence of an All-Star center. A move like that could vault them into contention in the Western Conference and greatly improve their ability to vie for a NBA championship.

But what would the Blazers have to give up to pry Gasol away from Memphis? If it means trading CJ McCollum or Damian Lillard to make it happen, would you still make that trade?

You tell us: Is Marc Gasol the type of player the Trail Blazers need to with the NBA's elite teams, and should they go after him before the NBA trade deadline?
 
No. You can't call it a rumor until a legitimate journalist indicates that there have actually been discussions between the teams regarding the player in question. At this point it's just theory and speculation.
 
No. You can't call it a rumor until a legitimate journalist indicates that there have actually been discussions between the teams regarding the player in question. At this point it's just theory and speculation.

And with that, we're merging the threads.

Or not, because I cant find the other thread.
 
Let's go get a 32 year old, chronically injured big man who won't actually make us a contender!

It's not like we're the Heat when Wade was only 25 or 26 and they traded for Shaq while he still had some gas left in the tank.
 
It does seem like a haul to give but if your going to bring a big man in to help Collins there is none better than Gasol.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Gasol is a year away from being sa shell of himself. Yes he can hit the outside shout, but we will not be able to run with our young team at all. And then he is gone in a year?

Again. Bad trade.
 
I wholeheartedly disagree. Gasol is a year away from being sa shell of himself. Yes he can hit the outside shout, but we will not be able to run with our young team at all. And then he is gone in a year?

Again. Bad trade.
We'll will see Pau's still showing he's got some game left and he's 37. Besides in a few years Collins will probably be our starting center anyway.
 
No keep Nurkic
 
https://syndication.bleacherreport....move-gasol-jordan-mirotic-and-others.amp.html

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: SF/PF Maurice Harkless, C Meyers Leonard, C Jusuf Nurkic, 2018 lottery-protected first-round pick, 2019 second-round pick (via Los Angeles Lakers or Minnesota Timberwolves)

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: C Marc Gasol, SF/PF James Ennis

Firing head coach David Fizdale, getting slammed by injuries and losing 18 of the past 21 games has not changed the Memphis Grizzlies' party line: They're not prepared to sell off Mike Conley and Marc Gasol for tanking's sake.

"We think our window is still very much open with Mike and Marc," general manager Chris Wallace told ESPN.com's Zach Lowe. "I think we'll be heard from the rest of this year, and in years to come."

That's all well and good. But franchise aims shift quickly amid downward spirals. The Grizzlies will lose enough with Conley and Gasol to preserve their lottery odds. Keeping the former is the only play anyway. Conley has four years (including this one) and $126 million left on his deal. No team absorbs that, let alone surrenders value for it, when he's coping with Achilles issues.

Gasol is in slightly different territory. He has a player option for 2019-20, ahead of his age-35 season. His value only goes down from here. He's amenable to a trade, according to Lowe, and Memphis has to at least consider moving him when he'll be treated as an over-the-hill expiring contract in less than one year's time.

Extracting this combination of assets from the Portland Trail Blazers helps the Grizzlies straddle two windows. They won't be good enough to ruin this season's nosedive and are securing a pu-pu platter of assets that'll help them into 2018-19 and beyond.

Jusuf Nurkic is a legitimate successor to Gasol. He's inferior in nearly every area of the game but remains a serviceable passer, post scorer and dropback rim protector. He doesn't turn 24 until August and shouldn't come close to costing the $72.3 million Gasol is owed through 2019-20.

Maurice Harkless is a great hedge against Tyreke Evans' upcoming free agency. He cannot jumpstart pick-and-rolls in volume, and his shooting is shaky. But he has hit threes at or around the league average in the past and remains a defensive pest on the wings. The Grizzlies should have no trouble swallowing Meyers Leonard's contract if it means getting a first-rounder. He's shooting 53.8 percent from deep (7-of-13) in limited action, and they can try grooming him in the image of a souped-up Jarell Martin.

Portland shouldn't have to think long or hard about this deal. Shedding Leonard and avoiding Nurkic's next contract offsets what they'll pay Gasol, and he's an ideal big for head coach Terry Stotts' conservative defensive approach. He doesn't need to be especially mobile to protect the house while dropping back.

Committing around $90 million to Gasol, Damian Lillard, C.J. McCollum and Evan Turner is no joke. But again: The Blazers are on the cusp of cannonballing into similar territory next season. They might as well pay Gasol what Nurkic and Leonard will combine to make through each of the next two years, then revisit their direction in 2020, when both Big Burrito and Turner are off the ledger.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/articl...sf/2017/12/marc_gasol_trade_trail_blazers.amp

As the Memphis Grizzlies ' free fall continues, many in the NBA community wonder if their championship window is beginning to close on star center Marc Gasol . And if so, would the Grizzlies be willing to trade him?

Memphis General Manager Chris Wallace has flat out said they have no interest in moving Gasol. But after a summer of change and a considerable amount of money invested in Gasol and oft-injured guard Mike Conley, the question becomes whether or not that duo is still a foundation on which the Grizzlies can build a championship-caliber team. Gasol has been the heart of this team for a decade, but in a recentinterview with Zach Lowe of ESPN , the star center admitted he would be open to a move


If the team came to him with a trade, Gasol would accept it. "If they think it is best, I would do anything for this franchise," Gasol said.

Wallace and other higher-ups are adamant that is unlikely, even as the losses mount. That seems stubborn, and there is almost certainly a scenario -- perhaps Conley getting reinjured, or taking longer than expected to return -- where Memphis tests the market. But even in that doomsday sequence, the Grizzlies may even prefer to hold their stars out here and there in some selective tankery, nab a high draft pick, and reload for another run at 45-plus wins.

At 32, Gasol is at the top of his game with over two years left on his current deal. He's posting averages of 19 points, eight rebounds and four assists per contest through 27 games this season. With the struggles of Jusuf Nurkic this season and Zach Collins still in the early stages of his development, thePortland Trail Blazers seem like a team who could greatly benefit from the presence of an All-Star center. A move like that could vault them into contention in the Western Conference and greatly improve their ability to vie for a NBA championship.

But what would the Blazers have to give up to pry Gasol away from Memphis? If it means trading CJ McCollum or Damian Lillard to make it happen, would you still make that trade?

You tell us: Is Marc Gasol the type of player the Trail Blazers need to with the NBA's elite teams, and should they go after him before the NBA trade deadline?

It's a rumor when Woj posts about it. Until then, it's crap.
 
It does seem like a haul to give but if your going to bring a big man in to help Collins there is none better than Gasol.

So, we're not in win now mode, we're not rebuilding, we're in win 3 years ago mode?

This trade makes zero sense for POR and I'm a fan of Gasol's game. He's not good enough to get us over any kind of a hump this year and too old to help is in the future.

Sure, Gasol is better than Nurk today, but as Nurk improves and Gasol declines, within 1 - 2 years, Nurk will be the better player and still not even in his prime.

BNM
 
So this isn't really a fair comparison, because Gasol was already 27 years old by his 4th season in the league, but here are some statistical comparisons between the two in year four.

Gasol 14.6 ppg
Nurkic 15.1 ppg

Gasol 8.9 rebounds
Nurkic 7.8 rebounds

Gasol 3.1 assists
Nurk 2 assists

Gasol 1.9 blocks
Nurk 1.3 blocks

Gasol 99 drtg
Nurk 102 drtg

Gasol 18.4 PER
Nurk 15.2 PER

For shits and giggles, let's compare Nurk's numbers at age 23 to Gasol at age 24 in his first year in the league.

Gasol 11.9 ppg
Nurkic 15.1 ppg

Gasol 7.4 rebounds
Nurkic 7.8 rebounds

Gasol 1.7 assists
Nurk 2 assists

Gasol 1.1 blocks
Nurk 1.3 blocks

Gasol 108 Drtg
Nurk 102 Drtg

Gasol 16.7 PER
Nurk 15.2 PER

Gasol 30.7 minutes per game
Nurk 28 minutes per game

The biggest difference is shooting. Gasol was a much better shooter.

53% from the field, 73% from the stripe, and 59 TS%.

Nurk is shooting 45.5% from the field, 64% from the stripe, and 49 TS%.

Nurk's offensive rating is abysmal. 93 ORtg right now.
 
We'll will see Pau's still showing he's got some game left and he's 37. Besides in a few years Collins will probably be our starting center anyway.

What makes you think Collins is our center of the future? He's perfect as a PF next to Nurk. Together, they are our front court of the future.

BNM
 
Id like this trade to happen, it looks like a good destination for Nurk and his development
 
What makes you think Collins is our center of the future? He's perfect as a PF next to Nurk. Together, they are our front court of the future.

BNM
How do you know Collins is the perfect PF next to Nurkic? Because they are both young and on the same team? I don't think the we've seen them both on the court long enough to say they are perfect together.
 
How do you know Collins is the perfect PF next to Nurkic? Because they are both young and on the same team? I don't think the we've seen them both on the court long enough to say they are perfect together.
valid pt...although I think they will end up playing together down the road
 
I think we all hoped Nurk could one day be as good as Marc Gasol.... So why not trade for the guy? 32 means nothing to me when we have the 3rd youngest roster in the league. WE NEED SOME VETS. It hurts cause the fever is real but it would be a good move IMO.
 
What makes you think Collins is our center of the future? He's perfect as a PF next to Nurk. Together, they are our front court of the future.

BNM
This whole Collins is a center. No he's a PF. A center. A PF. Center. PF. Center. PF.

Makes me laugh.

He's a Power Forward :)

:cheers:
 
This whole Collins is a center. No he's a PF. A center. A PF. Center. PF. Center. PF.

Makes me laugh.

He's a Power Forward :)

:cheers:

The old saying goes.
Your position is the position you can guard.
Right now does anyone really think Collins could guard any of the top 20 centers in the league?
Maybe in a couple years if Collins bulks up he can play the center spot. Right now though it's very unlikely he could consistently not get out muscled by other Centers.
Though I'm starting to lean towards Collins being Birdman defensively, with an offensive game.
 
The old saying goes.
Your position is the position you can guard.
Right now does anyone really think Collins could guard any of the top 20 centers in the league?
Maybe in a couple years if Collins bulks up he can play the center spot. Right now though it's very unlikely he could consistently not get out muscled by other Centers.
Though I'm starting to lean towards Collins being Birdman defensively, with an offensive game.
Collins wouldn't have to play center for a few years anyway. Gasol still has 3 years on his contact. Again, Pau is 37 years old and still playing good basketball. You would be bringing in Gasol to be mentoring Collins. If Collins really is ALL THAT for a big man I'm sure it won't be hard to find a good big man to play by him once Gasol is done.
 
I am against this trade, even with Gasol we stuck in the middle of nowhere. This trade is a win now trade, but we aren't win now, we could probably make the playoffs, but that would mean a first round exit again. I'm tired of first round exit's.
 
I think we all hoped Nurk could one day be as good as Marc Gasol.... So why not trade for the guy? 32 means nothing to me when we have the 3rd youngest roster in the league. WE NEED SOME VETS. It hurts cause the fever is real but it would be a good move IMO.
theres literally no single argument that this would be a good move
can you elaborate why this would be a good move
 
This is a terrible trade idea. Yeah Gasol scores 3pts more and grabs an extra rebound but he’s also 10 years older... that’s not the trajectory we need.
 

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