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Collins wouldn't have to play center for a few years anyway. Gasol still has 3 years on his contact. Again, Pau is 37 years old and still playing good basketball. You would be bringing in Gasol to be mentoring Collins. If Collins really is ALL THAT for a big man I'm sure it won't be hard to find a good big man to play by him once Gasol is done.

Why you'd bring in a Marc Gasol to look to the future... While trading away a 23 year old Center is beyond comprehension.
This has to be one of the more silly posts you've made over the years... Just on the contradiction alone.
 
Collins wouldn't have to play center for a few years anyway. Gasol still has 3 years on his contact. Again, Pau is 37 years old and still playing good basketball. You would be bringing in Gasol to be mentoring Collins. If Collins really is ALL THAT for a big man I'm sure it won't be hard to find a good big man to play by him once Gasol is done.
Yeah. No problem at all. The Blazers will just go to the Big Man Tree and pick one.
 
Gasol can get the coach fired, I'm guessing a lot of you would lobby for that...I'd rather bank on youth this season..Nurk is a keeper...Collins is a keeper...Davis hates Memphis...they dumped him once already...don't see a Gasol trade unless they get Meyers fever
 
https://syndication.bleacherreport....move-gasol-jordan-mirotic-and-others.amp.html

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: SF/PF Maurice Harkless, C Meyers Leonard, C Jusuf Nurkic, 2018 lottery-protected first-round pick, 2019 second-round pick (via Los Angeles Lakers or Minnesota Timberwolves)

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: C Marc Gasol, SF/PF James Ennis

Firing head coach David Fizdale, getting slammed by injuries and losing 18 of the past 21 games has not changed the Memphis Grizzlies' party line: They're not prepared to sell off Mike Conley and Marc Gasol for tanking's sake.

"We think our window is still very much open with Mike and Marc," general manager Chris Wallace told ESPN.com's Zach Lowe. "I think we'll be heard from the rest of this year, and in years to come."

That's all well and good. But franchise aims shift quickly amid downward spirals. The Grizzlies will lose enough with Conley and Gasol to preserve their lottery odds. Keeping the former is the only play anyway. Conley has four years (including this one) and $126 million left on his deal. No team absorbs that, let alone surrenders value for it, when he's coping with Achilles issues.

Gasol is in slightly different territory. He has a player option for 2019-20, ahead of his age-35 season. His value only goes down from here. He's amenable to a trade, according to Lowe, and Memphis has to at least consider moving him when he'll be treated as an over-the-hill expiring contract in less than one year's time.

Extracting this combination of assets from the Portland Trail Blazers helps the Grizzlies straddle two windows. They won't be good enough to ruin this season's nosedive and are securing a pu-pu platter of assets that'll help them into 2018-19 and beyond.

Jusuf Nurkic is a legitimate successor to Gasol. He's inferior in nearly every area of the game but remains a serviceable passer, post scorer and dropback rim protector. He doesn't turn 24 until August and shouldn't come close to costing the $72.3 million Gasol is owed through 2019-20.

Maurice Harkless is a great hedge against Tyreke Evans' upcoming free agency. He cannot jumpstart pick-and-rolls in volume, and his shooting is shaky. But he has hit threes at or around the league average in the past and remains a defensive pest on the wings. The Grizzlies should have no trouble swallowing Meyers Leonard's contract if it means getting a first-rounder. He's shooting 53.8 percent from deep (7-of-13) in limited action, and they can try grooming him in the image of a souped-up Jarell Martin.

Portland shouldn't have to think long or hard about this deal. Shedding Leonard and avoiding Nurkic's next contract offsets what they'll pay Gasol, and he's an ideal big for head coach Terry Stotts' conservative defensive approach. He doesn't need to be especially mobile to protect the house while dropping back.

Committing around $90 million to Gasol, Damian Lillard, C.J. McCollum and Evan Turner is no joke. But again: The Blazers are on the cusp of cannonballing into similar territory next season. They might as well pay Gasol what Nurkic and Leonard will combine to make through each of the next two years, then revisit their direction in 2020, when both Big Burrito and Turner are off the ledger.
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As the Memphis Grizzlies ' free fall continues, many in the NBA community wonder if their championship window is beginning to close on star center Marc Gasol . And if so, would the Grizzlies be willing to trade him?

Memphis General Manager Chris Wallace has flat out said they have no interest in moving Gasol. But after a summer of change and a considerable amount of money invested in Gasol and oft-injured guard Mike Conley, the question becomes whether or not that duo is still a foundation on which the Grizzlies can build a championship-caliber team. Gasol has been the heart of this team for a decade, but in a recentinterview with Zach Lowe of ESPN , the star center admitted he would be open to a move


If the team came to him with a trade, Gasol would accept it. "If they think it is best, I would do anything for this franchise," Gasol said.

Wallace and other higher-ups are adamant that is unlikely, even as the losses mount. That seems stubborn, and there is almost certainly a scenario -- perhaps Conley getting reinjured, or taking longer than expected to return -- where Memphis tests the market. But even in that doomsday sequence, the Grizzlies may even prefer to hold their stars out here and there in some selective tankery, nab a high draft pick, and reload for another run at 45-plus wins.

At 32, Gasol is at the top of his game with over two years left on his current deal. He's posting averages of 19 points, eight rebounds and four assists per contest through 27 games this season. With the struggles of Jusuf Nurkic this season and Zach Collins still in the early stages of his development, thePortland Trail Blazers seem like a team who could greatly benefit from the presence of an All-Star center. A move like that could vault them into contention in the Western Conference and greatly improve their ability to vie for a NBA championship.

But what would the Blazers have to give up to pry Gasol away from Memphis? If it means trading CJ McCollum or Damian Lillard to make it happen, would you still make that trade?

You tell us: Is Marc Gasol the type of player the Trail Blazers need to with the NBA's elite teams, and should they go after him before the NBA trade deadline?

Why would we ever make such a trade?! No way
 
I really like Ennis, he's a 3&D type wing that we need, not much of a handler of the ball but dude is athletic. Think he'd be a great low key filler piece.
 
How do you know Collins is the perfect PF next to Nurkic? Because they are both young and on the same team? I don't think the we've seen them both on the court long enough to say they are perfect together.

Because I've seen enough of both to realize they have complimentary skill sets.

Nurk is a beast. His game relies on strength and size to overpower his opponents.

Collins is much quicker and more agile. His game relies on his lateral quickness to beat opponents to a spot on the floor.

Just watch how they play defense. Nurk is a drop back shot blocker. He drops back into the lane and gets most of his blocks when the opponent comes to him.

Collins is an attack blocker. He seeks out the shooter and attacks the shot.

Collins, with his lateral quickness, agility, and high BBIQ (he knows where to go and when to get there), is a much better suited to guarding stretch 4s.

They're both white and 7' tall, but other than that, their games are very different.

BNM
 
Collins wouldn't have to play center for a few years anyway. Gasol still has 3 years on his contact. Again, Pau is 37 years old and still playing good basketball. You would be bringing in Gasol to be mentoring Collins. If Collins really is ALL THAT for a big man I'm sure it won't be hard to find a good big man to play by him once Gasol is done.

Who the fuck has Marc "Coach Killer" Gasol ever mentored???? Name one young big man he has taken under his wing and helped improve.

The fact that he whined to the press and got his coach fired tells me he's more concerned about what's best for Marc Gasol than what's best for the team. It's not like MEM was winning a lot of games with Marc Gasol playing in the 4th quarter. They'd lost 7 or 8 in a row at the time. The coach saw that wasn't working and thought he'd try something else to see if someone else would seize the opportunity and step up. Marc cried to the local media and it cost Fizdale his job.

Perhaps Marc wants to keep playing to 39 like his brother. It's not like his game has ever relied on quickness or athleticism. If so, he had zero incentive to help accelerate the development of his replacement.

And just because a player is skilled doesn't make him a good teacher. Magic Johnson was a horrible coach.

What evidence do you have that Matc Gasol even wants to mentor younger big men, and even if he wants to do it, what evidence can you provide that he will be good at it?

BNM
 
Because I've seen enough of both to realize they have complimentary skill sets.

Nurk is a beast. His game relies on strength and size to overpower his opponents.

Collins is much quicker and more agile. His game relies on his lateral quickness to beat opponents to a spot on the floor.

Just watch how they play defense. Nurk is a drop back shot blocker. He drops back into the lane and gets most of his blocks when the opponent comes to him.

Collins is an attack blocker. He seeks out the shooter and attacks the shot.

Collins, with his lateral quickness, agility, and high BBIQ (he knows where to go and when to get there), is a much better suited to guarding stretch 4s.

They're both white and 7' tall, but other than that, their games are very different.

BNM

So one is white and a center, but not american born, while the other is white and american born, but not a center...

Our frontcourt of the future is safe, but barely !
 
theres literally no single argument that this would be a good move
can you elaborate why this would be a good move
My point is Marc Gasol>Nurk as of December 15, 2017. The gasses of fandom are rosey, but I think we can all agree that this as a statement of fact. Marc Gasol is the better player. You can make the longevity argument (and many have) but when it comes down to pure basketball... Gasol makes us a better team right now, and probably over the life of his contract than Nurk. After that who knows, Nurk could turn out to be the better player when he's 27-29 and the people who believe that probably dont want to make this trade. The problem there is that you making a bet on the potential of a pretty unproven player vs the known, allstar level commodity, of Marc Gasol. As I see it, Nurk's ceiling might get to the level Marc Gasol is playing right now so, I'd rather take the proven player over the unknown potential of Nurkic. Some of these trades have us sending out a couple useless contracts like Harkless and Meyers too! What's not to love? Just icing on the cake if you ask me and I would happily part with a 1st rounder to make it work.

This trade really boils down to one question: Will Nurkic be better than Gasol during his career as a Blazer? I dont think anyone can answer that and honestly say Nurk will avg better than 19/8/4 over the next 2-3 years. Is Gasol the championship answer? no. But there are only maybe 2 players in the world that are... and why use that as an excuse to waste prime dame and cj on what Nurk might be when they're 30?

I'm pretty sure there is literally a good argument for that trade in there somewhere.
 
My point is Marc Gasol>Nurk as of December 15, 2017. The gasses of fandom are rosey, but I think we can all agree that this as a statement of fact. Marc Gasol is the better player. You can make the longevity argument (and many have) but when it comes down to pure basketball... Gasol makes us a better team right now, and probably over the life of his contract than Nurk. After that who knows, Nurk could turn out to be the better player when he's 27-29 and the people who believe that probably dont want to make this trade. The problem there is that you making a bet on the potential of a pretty unproven player vs the known, allstar level commodity, of Marc Gasol. As I see it, Nurk's ceiling might get to the level Marc Gasol is playing right now so, I'd rather take the proven player over the unknown potential of Nurkic. Some of these trades have us sending out a couple useless contracts like Harkless and Meyers too! What's not to love? Just icing on the cake if you ask me and I would happily part with a 1st rounder to make it work.

This trade really boils down to one question: Will Nurkic be better than Gasol during his career as a Blazer? I dont think anyone can answer that and honestly say Nurk will avg better than 19/8/4 over the next 2-3 years. Is Gasol the championship answer? no. But there are only maybe 2 players in the world that are... and why use that as an excuse to waste prime dame and cj on what Nurk might be when they're 30?

I'm pretty sure there is literally a good argument for that trade in there somewhere.

I stopped after the bolded. Because its all about the future, not the past.
 
Don't ignore the fact that we get out of Meyers and Harkless contracts in this deal. Both have a negative or zero value at best.

Gasol is ace, but his age means he is not valuable. I think if we put Nurkic on the market (we won't) we wouldn't really get better offers than this though.
 
If someone can get the Blazers Paul George in a separate trade, without giving up Dame or CJ, then trading Nurkic and filler for Gasol would make sense. Dame, CJ, George, Vonleh/Chief, and Gasol is a starting lineup that could do some serious damage, even against the Rockets and Warriors. Gasol is the kind of play you make to add a finishing piece to a contending team. Given his age and contract, he makes zero sense for a team that's still looking for answers at two starting positions.
 
If someone can get the Blazers Paul George in a separate trade, without giving up Dame or CJ, then trading Nurkic and filler for Gasol would make sense. Dame, CJ, George, Vonleh/Chief, and Gasol is a starting lineup that could do some serious damage, even against the Rockets and Warriors. Gasol is the kind of play you make to add a finishing piece to a contending team. Given his age and contract, he makes zero sense for a team that's still looking for answers at two starting positions.

I'm still not really a fan of it.
 
All about the future meaning rebuilding mode like what we've been in for the past 5years? Dames not getting any younger!

No. Meaning Gasol more than likely wont be here next year.

Do you think we win it all with him this year? If not, then what is the point?
NOw IF you get him to commit to signing a contract with us for less than max, im for it.
But the facts are this. We OWN Nurk for the next 5 years if we want.
Gasol can leave at the end of the season if he wants.

You want to gut the team for that?

Thats why I stopped. That leaves us with ZERO future.

We want to win right? So again, does Dame/CJ/Gasol top GSW?

I doubt it. I dont think it would top Houston, GSW, Bostgon, OR Cleveland. Iffy about Toronto and San Antonio.

So again . IF we cant win it all this year and then Gasol leaves, we are in a FAR worse spot than last year before Nurk came.

So that is what you want?
 
All about the future meaning rebuilding mode like what we've been in for the past 5years? Dames not getting any younger!

We haven't been rebuilding for 5 years. In fact, not even half of that. We are currently 13 games shy of being 2.5 seasons post Aldridge/Batum/Matthews/Lopez.

Such blatant exaggeration makes you look completely clueless - even more than usual.

BNM
 
No. Meaning Gasol more than likely wont be here next year.

Do you think we win it all with him this year? If not, then what is the point?
NOw IF you get him to commit to signing a contract with us for less than max, im for it.
But the facts are this. We OWN Nurk for the next 5 years if we want.
Gasol can leave at the end of the season if he wants.

You want to gut the team for that?

Thats why I stopped. That leaves us with ZERO future.

We want to win right? So again, does Dame/CJ/Gasol top GSW?

I doubt it. I dont think it would top Houston, GSW, Bostgon, OR Cleveland. Iffy about Toronto and San Antonio.

So again . IF we cant win it all this year and then Gasol leaves, we are in a FAR worse spot than last year before Nurk came.

So that is what you want?
Marc has this season, next season, and a player option for the following season left on his contract.
 
Marc has this season, next season, and a player option for the following season left on his contract.
Thought I read his PLayer option was for next year?
But okay. Ill play.

Do we think we win with him this year or next? I don't. Do you think he re-signs with us if we don't win? I don't? So the results seem to be the same in my opinion. Just take a year longer to recover from.
 
How do you know Collins is the perfect PF next to Nurkic? Because they are both young and on the same team? I don't think the we've seen them both on the court long enough to say they are perfect together.

The basic idea is that they are both excellent defenders, and Nurk is very effective close to the basket and Collins can thrive from the 3.
 
Yes, we can all agree that my gasses are rosey. That's an irrefutable fact.

BNM

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