Massachusetts going from Blue to Brown?

[Shooter]

You hit on what many spinners are trying to deny. It's not just Massachusetts; that's the cherry on top you never expected. It's the victories in Virginia, which had hugely trended blue as of late and New Fucking Jersey, which blows my mind. This isn't a one-off; it's a strong trend.

You got it. And don't you love this quote from the mayor of Boston?

“I never thought I’d see the day when a Republican replaces Ted Kennedy,” Mayor Thomas M. Menino told the Herald tonight. “I think Scott Brown caught the wave of anger that’s out there, and the wave of anti-Obama.”

 

[STOMP]

I think in their own ways both the GOP and socialists have people's best interests at heart, it's just that neither side has a lock on what the people really want and need. Add to that, like it or not, we haven't a true leader in the White House since Regan. We're like a rudderless ship in DC.

For the most part both sides of the aisle are bought off by the same corporations who own the media... thats who sets our agenda and sells us a bag of goods. The national squabbles over issues are choreographed soap operas. Even when the voters are clear in their desires (like for single payer) it doesn't matter.

STOMP

 

[maxiep]

That's a fantastic quote, Shooter. It had little to do with Martha Coakley. She didn't help, but Scott Brown won because he nationalized the election. Ms. Coakley ran on being a rubber stamp for the Obama agenda. Well, the populace of the Commonwealth played Mutumbo and rejected that idea.

What's shocking to me is how President Obama can't translate his personal popularity to the candidates for which he stumps. So far, he's 0 for Copenhagen, New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts.

 

[Shooter]

Republican Scott Brown’s startling victory is a “catastrophe” for President Obama’s agenda and a wake-up call to pols from Beacon Hill to Capitol Hill that the political landscape is shifting under their feet, experts said.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us...uld_be_a_catastrophe_to_president_obama_dems/

 

[maxiep]

For the most part both sides of the aisle are bought off by the same corporations who own the media... thats who sets our agenda and sells us a bag of goods. The national squabbles over issues are choreographed soap operas. Even when the voters are clear in their desires (like for single payer) it doesn't matter.

STOMP

People voted for a change in the way Washington functioned, not for single payer healthcare or a massive expansion for the role of government in their lives. The Republicans crapped all over the American people and went Washington. They were rightly and resoundingly defeated. The problem was the Democrats misunderstood the mandate.

What's going on now is not just an anti-Obama wave, but an anti-incumbent wave. The next dominant party is going to grab the populist reins and give the government back to the people and govern responsibly.

 

[maxiep]

Roger Ebert uses a digit other than his thumb to explain this result:

 

[e_blazer]

Classic Jon Stewart take on how messed up the Democratic Party is:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-18-2010/mass-backwards

 

[Denny Crane]

Actually, a cold piece of dog crap would do better than her because the crap wouldn't say such asinine things!

Don't kid yourself, this is not all about Obama's "Big Government" programs. If you see a massive loss in mid-terms, sure. But one race with such obvious personality issues doesn't make much of a statement. If it does to you then I'd hate to see the research studies you base your life around...

Get ready for a massive loss in mid-terms.

How quickly people forget about the losses for Democrats already in Virginia and New Jersey. This isn't a one-time surprise.

I find is stunning how screwed up the Democrats' priorities are. The economy is in the tank and that should be their focus. Instead, they do everything in their power to prolong the negative and try to scare people into believing that their ridiculously massive spending is needed to stop it. People can see that there are no jobs being created, their life savings (real estate) wiped out, empty storefronts and office parks, the banks aren't loaning money, and the progressive agenda offers nothing of substance to anyone but govt. workers. To make it worse, Godlman Sachs, trial lawyers, unions, big pharma, and the insurance companies sure seem to be getting a huge transfer of money from the treasury and private sector.

The polls all along have been indicating the Democrats are falling on their own swords. Harry Reid is going to lose in his home state in November. The freakin' senate majority leader who was given the gift of a super majority (60 votes). Barbara Boxer is going to lose, too. Right now with 41 senators, Republicans need to gain 9 seats to make it 50-50, and it's looking like there are 7 near sure-thing seats they'll gain.

 

[Denny Crane]

Really? Because I'm not willing to buy BS I'm biased? I guess we all have some, but mine isn't joined at the hip to the Dems or Reps like a plus I'm not wailing about the meanies in the news. For the record, I'm 42 and vote in every election. I've voted for both Republican and Democrats at every level of government usually dependent on the candidate. I've also voted for many candidates outside of those two parties... I don't think either the Ds or Rs have my best interests in mind

STOMP

http://lp.org

I realized the same things a long time ago.

 

[Denny Crane]

Best headline I've seen this morning:

"Nothing like a good Mass. kicking."

 

[KingSpeed]

Ugh. How did this happen? Intelligent responses please. I haven't been following it closely enough so what swayed the election so dramatically from one side to the other?

 

[yakbladder]

Get ready for a massive loss in mid-terms.

How quickly people forget about the losses for Democrats already in Virginia and New Jersey. This isn't a one-time surprise.

I find is stunning how screwed up the Democrats' priorities are. The economy is in the tank and that should be their focus. Instead, they do everything in their power to prolong the negative and try to scare people into believing that their ridiculously massive spending is needed to stop it. People can see that there are no jobs being created, their life savings (real estate) wiped out, empty storefronts and office parks, the banks aren't loaning money, and the progressive agenda offers nothing of substance to anyone but govt. workers. To make it worse, Godlman Sachs, trial lawyers, unions, big pharma, and the insurance companies sure seem to be getting a huge transfer of money from the treasury and private sector.

The polls all along have been indicating the Democrats are falling on their own swords. Harry Reid is going to lose in his home state in November. The freakin' senate majority leader who was given the gift of a super majority (60 votes). Barbara Boxer is going to lose, too. Right now with 41 senators, Republicans need to gain 9 seats to make it 50-50, and it's looking like there are 7 near sure-thing seats they'll gain.

Except you forget one thing, Denny. It was never a super-majority and you know that. You're smarter than that. For one thing, you had Big Ego Joe who loves to play "I'm a Dem" but votes conservative. You had lots of blue dog Democrats who voted conservative. You even had one switch parties. These were people who knew Obama was going to sweep into power, that Bush was despised..yes, despised, and decided to ride a political wave in to power. No big surprise there.

So everyone then thinks "Well, hey, this is automatic. Dems can do anything they want." That's like saying "Hey, the colors rule the spectrum. They can do red all day long." until blue and green and yellow have a say. The GOP is a very small tent, at best a wig-wam, where only a couple of people are allowed inside. The Dems are a huge tent where you walk in and start bare knuckle fighting.

 

[drexlersdad]

big money baybee!! unbelievable.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Here is what is wierd to me, posters seem to celebrate that things aren't going smooth in the country right now. Like this is some golden chance for the republican party to get more power.

I don't care who has the power, I want this country to get back to being prosperous. This isn't good that the American public is disasstified (if that is what is going on) with the current state of the country.

You know I wasn't a Bush fan . . . really couldn't stand the guy at the end. But I never wished his policies wouldn't work or that he would fail . . . because that only reflects poorly on America.

I understand the vote in Mass and think it might make sense, but to get giddy over what is going on right now . . . losing perspective, IMO.

 

[blazerboy30]

Here is what is wierd to me, posters seem to celebrate that things aren't going smooth in the country right now. Like this is some golden chance for the republican party to get more power.

I don't care who has the power, I want this country to get back to being prosperous. This isn't good that the American public is disasstified (if that is what is going on) with the current state of the country.

You know I wasn't a Bush fan . . . really couldn't stand the guy at the end. But I never wished his policies wouldn't work or that he would fail . . . because that only reflects poorly on America.

I understand the vote in Mass and think it might make sense, but to get giddy over what is going on right now . . . losing perspective, IMO.

I don't see anybody here that is "celebrating that things aren't going smooth in the country".

I see people glad that the American public doesn't want this healthcare bill passed, and is taking action to stand up to the Democrats trying to ram it down our throats.

I see people glad that the American public is realizing the massive debt and spending being racked up isn't good for the country, especially in the long run.

I see people glad that the American public is concerned about the rapid growth of the government and is voting against it.

But sure, go ahead and spin it as an "anti-Obama", or a "wanting the country to fail" thing.

 

[maxiep]

Ugh. How did this happen? Intelligent responses please. I haven't been following it closely enough so what swayed the election so dramatically from one side to the other?

It was a referendum on President Obama's agenda.

 

[maxiep]

The Massachusetts Senate Special Election gets the Der Untergang treatment

 

[hasoos]

It really doesn't matter, I have lost all faith in the politicial process, both parties, and all politicians in general. I hated Bush and everything he stood for, only to vote in a guy who doesn't seem to have the gnards to get anything done. Everybody just has their own agenda, nobody cares for physcal responsibility, and nobody can ever change the system because big companies have too much money and influence. I have given up.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

It really doesn't matter, I have lost all faith in the politicial process, both parties, and all politicians in general. I hated Bush and everything he stood for, only to vote in a guy who doesn't seem to have the gnards to get anything done. Everybody just has their own agenda, nobody cares for physcal responsibility, and nobody can ever change the system because big companies have too much money and influence. I have given up.

I totally agree, and while this is true, you still have left ideoligies and i have right ideoligies, and so we both still care....

 

[maxiep]

I totally agree, and while this is true, you still have left ideoligies and i have right ideoligies, and so we both still care....

I care about Liberty.

 

[The Professional Fan]

It really doesn't matter, I have lost all faith in the politicial process, both parties, and all politicians in general. I hated Bush and everything he stood for, only to vote in a guy who doesn't seem to have the gnards to get anything done. Everybody just has their own agenda, nobody cares for physcal responsibility, and nobody can ever change the system because big companies have too much money and influence. I have given up.

This.

But at the same time, I get blasted from friends and family for my stance. Like, I'm supposed to stand for something and fight for something and it's shameful to just give up. "You can't think that way!" But to me, is there any thing left, or anyone left, to believe in? It's all the same. It's all broken. It's all corrupt. It's all so fucked up that I feel like I'm pushing ropes no matter the candidate or the topic.

Is this really the WRONG way to feel? Is it REALLY better to believe in something and fight for something? I just don't know anymore.

 

[maxiep]

This.

But at the same time, I get blasted from friends and family for my stance. Like, I'm supposed to stand for something and fight for something and it's shameful to just give up. "You can't think that way!" But to me, is there any thing left, or anyone left, to believe in? It's all the same. It's all broken. It's all corrupt. It's all so fucked up that I feel like I'm pushing ropes no matter the candidate or the topic.

Is this really the WRONG way to feel? Is it REALLY better to believe in something and fight for something? I just don't know anymore.

You can give up or you can fight against the system. I am personally troubled by the profligate spending by both parties and the increasing entitlement culture in this country. I have a kid, so there's simply no way I'll ever stop fighting.

 

[The Professional Fan]

You can give up or you can fight against the system. I am personally troubled by the profligate spending by both parties and the increasing entitlement culture in this country. I have a kid, so there's simply no way I'll ever stop fighting.

But to me fighting against the system would be to never vote for either party because I don't believe (fully) in either one. I believe in parts of each, but I don't believe either will ever get any thing done. I can vote for a IDEA but I don't feel like I'm voting for ACTION.

I understand your stance regarding children. My wife and I are trying to have a kid now, and I'm sure my position in this world will change upon the birth of a child.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Intelligent responses please.

Good luck. I notice the kiddies are out. And they're clearly drugged up.

 

[maxiep]

But to me fighting against the system would be to never vote for either party because I don't believe (fully) in either one. I believe in parts of each, but I don't believe either will ever get any thing done. I can vote for a IDEA but I don't feel like I'm voting for ACTION.

I understand your stance regarding children. My wife and I are trying to have a kid now, and I'm sure my position in this world will change upon the birth of a child.

Don't let either party serve up your candidate. Find one you like and support them.

As for having a kid, it completely changes your world view. It's the reason I'm so anti-big-government. We're writing checks to make our lives a bit easier now that our kids and grandkids are going to have to pay. I don't understand the mentality of forcing generations after me to pay for stuff I want.

 

[STOMP]

How am I being insulting? The intent of David Gergen's question was clear.

sorry, I didn't learn anything from the last election... I must be really stupid eh?

the intent of Gergen's question was clear. He was saying this was Teddy's seat and are you really not going to honor his legacy? This is a common line of questioning for journalists right down to sports journalist saying how are you ever going to fill so-n-so's shoes? They don't mean this literally like how will his size 11 cleats fit when you're a size 13, it's just to get the conversation rolling having the new guy reflect on his noted predecessor. The stock answer for the new jock is to say, I'm not the departed legend and can only do my best with whats before me taking things one day at a time with this opportunity. This is essentially how Brown handled it.

Well, Ted's dead. He died much later than he would have had he not received the health care he tried to deny everyone else. Gergen's question was a "gotcha" attempt that showed the worst of the inside-the-beltway mentality: The seat wasn't the people's; it was Ted Kennedy's.

you and FOX news

I agree he gave a solid answer. However, what you missed was the subtext to the question. I spent almost a decade in DC. I know countless people who have worked at the White House and in both houses of Congress. I think I understand the inside the beltway mentality better than you.

more of you claiming superiority defending your outrage over nothing. Whatever dude

STOMP

 

[maxiep]

sorry, I didn't learn anything from the last election... I must be really stupid eh?

Since you asked, the answer is pretty clear.

the intent of Gergen's question was clear. He was saying this was Teddy's seat and are you really not going to honor his legacy?

And Scott Brown basically said, "Fuck his legacy. It has nothing to do with Ted Kennedy and everything to do with the people of Massachusetts."

This is a common line of questioning for journalists right down to sports journalist saying how are you ever going to fill so-n-so's shoes? They don't mean this literally like how will his size 11 cleats fit when you're a size 13, it's just to get the conversation rolling having the new guy reflect on his noted predecessor. The stock answer for the new jock is to say, I'm not the departed legend and can only do my best with whats before me taking things one day at a time with this opportunity. This is essentially how Brown handled it.

We'll agree to disagree.

you and FOX news

Aw, no answer? Nice red herring.

more of you claiming superiority defending your outrage over nothing. Whatever dude

No superiority. More experience. I see once again you have no answer.

 

[STOMP]

Since you asked, the answer is pretty clear.

And Scott Brown basically said, "Fuck his legacy. It has nothing to do with Ted Kennedy and everything to do with the people of Massachusetts."

We'll agree to disagree.

Aw, no answer? Nice red herring.

No superiority. More experience. I see once again you have no answer.

sure, whatever you say

you're filling the PapaG void nicely

STOMP

 

[maxiep]

sure, whatever you say

you're filling the PapaG void nicely

STOMP

You keep on labeling. I guess you think bringing heat without light works for you.

 

[44Thrilla]

It would be the equivalent of a Republican winning in Multnomah County or for Mayor of DC. You could run a cold piece of dog crap and if it had a "D" next to it's name, it would take 60% of the vote. Don't kid yourself, this was a referendum on Obama's Big Government programs, and a crushing defeat.

what are you talking about? Massachusetts has elected plenty of Republicans to statewide office.