Notice Matisse Thybulle came to Portland via the Josh Hart trade (1 Viewer)

[Natebishop3]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thybuma01.html

February 9, 2023: As part of a 4-team trade, traded by the Philadelphia 76ers to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Charlotte Hornets traded Jalen McDaniels and a 2024 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers; the New York Knicks traded Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk to the Charlotte Hornets; the New York Knicks traded Ryan Arcidiacono, Cam Reddish, Ante Tomic and a 2023 1st round draft pick (Kris Murray was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Philadelphia 76ers traded a 2023 2nd round draft pick (Colby Jones was later selected) to the Charlotte Hornets; the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2027 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Charlotte Hornets; the Portland Trail Blazers traded Dani Diez, Bojan Dubljevic and Josh Hart to the New York Knicks; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2029 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers. Charlotte also received a trade exception More favorable 2023 2nd-rd pick ended up as CHO own 2027 2nd-rd pick is more favorable Philadelphia also received a trade exception 2024 2nd-rd pick is NYK own 2029 2nd-rd pick is POR own Portland also received a trade exception 2023 protected 1st-rd pick is NYK own

Mods please sticky this shit until I stop having to explain to people that Thybulle was part of the Josh Hart trade. I'm tired of it. I have had to explain this to no less than three different people on three different occasions.

 

[glazeduck]

Maybe -- and hear me out here, because it's just a thought...

Maybe this doesn't really matter and its okay if people don't have perfect recollection of every detail of the past? Maybe spending time arguing about something so pedantic isn't the best use of anyone's time? Maybe pissing matches like this one make this board less enjoyable for damn-near everyone?

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe -- and hear me out here, because it's just a thought...

Maybe this doesn't really matter and its okay if people don't have perfect recollection of every detail of the past? Maybe spending time arguing about something so pedantic isn't the best use of anyone's time? Maybe pissing matches like this one make this board less enjoyable for damn-near everyone?

Ok..... bear with me here..... maybe don't argue with someone when something is so incredibly easy to fact check?

It's not like people are saying, "oh I think you're wrong." It's "no you're wrong. We got Thybulle from the GP2 trade." This is coming up over and over and over and over. And since we're talking about winning trades or losing trades, I'm tired of explaining this simple fact to people.

So this is a public service announcement.

 

[glazeduck]

Ok..... bear with me here..... maybe don't argue with someone when something is so incredibly easy to fact check?

It's not like people are saying, "oh I think you're wrong." It's "no you're wrong. We got Thybulle from the GP2 trade." This is coming up over and over and over and over. And since we're talking about winning trades or losing trades, I'm tired of explaining this simple fact to people.

So this is a public service announcement.

But why does that matter? How does it affect anything in the current state of things? You've made your point in several pages worth of posts already. How the sausage was made doesn't really matter anymore. It's just sausage now.

 

[Natebishop3]

You've made your point in several pages worth of posts already.

This isn't a "point."

This is a fact. A demonstrable fact. So maybe by creating this thread I head off having to explain this fact a few more times.

 

[glazeduck]

This isn't a "point."

This is a fact. A demonstrable fact. So maybe by creating this thread I head off having to explain this fact a few more times.

Isn't it just easier to let such a minor, completely inconsequential, incorrect detail go? Why do you feel like you have to correct such a meaningless detail every time?

 

[Natebishop3]

Isn't it just easier to let such a minor, completely inconsequential, incorrect detail go? Why do you feel like you have to correct such a meaningless detail every time?

Counterpoint.... aren't you essentially doing the same thing right now over whether this thread should exist?

 

[glazeduck]

Sure, but I haven't made similar posts countless other times. I'm trying to get an understanding of why you think this detail is so important that you need to continue to hammer people who get it slightly wrong? Why a special post that you're asking to be pinned at the top for something so completely inconsequential? Who cares if they took I-5 or 205 to the Moda center if they got there by tipoff?

The reason I'm doing it, is because I find this type of pedantic behavior toxic and is one of many flaws with this board that often keeps me, and so I'm just assuming others, as well, from engaging as much.

You do you, but the big picture is that you continually proving others wrong on this fact is both weird, petty and, frankly, also meaningless...

 

[Sheldon Shape]

It still doesn't seem like trading Josh Hart had much to do with getting Thybulle. It was made to be in the same deal but they might as well have been in different deals. The deal was announced outside the Hart deal and was eventually roped in.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Mods please sticky this shit until I stop having to explain to people that Thybulle was part of the Josh Hart trade. I'm tired of it. I have had to explain this to no less than three different people on three different occasions.

It's easy to find. No need to sticky.

 

[Propagandist]

Isn't it just easier to let such a minor, completely inconsequential, incorrect detail go? Why do you feel like you have to correct such a meaningless detail every time?

Are trying to kill us all with irony?!? I can’t take it!

 

[Natebishop3]

Sure, but I haven't made similar posts countless other times. I'm trying to get an understanding of why you think this detail is so important that you need to continue to hammer people who get it slightly wrong? Why a special post that you're asking to be pinned at the top for something so completely inconsequential? Who cares if they took I-5 or 205 to the Moda center if they got there by tipoff?

The reason I'm doing it, is because I find this type of pedantic behavior toxic and is one of many flaws with this board that often keeps me, and so I'm just assuming others, as well, from engaging as much.

You do you, but the big picture is that you continually proving others wrong on this fact is both weird, petty and, frankly, also meaningless...

I guess I don't get that emotional about it. If someone says that we got fleeced in the CJ trade, which has come up quite a bit recently because we're assessing Joe Cronin's resume the past 18 months, and I say that the haul wasn't that bad because we have Grant and Thybulle. If they tell me that Thybulle was not part of that, and they're sure of it, I'm going to go get the details of the trade.

I'm not sure why you're getting so emotional about me correcting what seems to be a fairly widespread misunderstanding about a significant trade in the past 18 months. And before you take issue with me saying you're emotional, telling me that I'm basically being toxic, petty, and driving people from the board is (to me) the very definition of emotional.

The last time people started hammering on me about being "pedantic" and repeating myself, it was about what Dame said in regards to using the pick and requesting a trade. When I take a hard stance on a topic, I'm usually right.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's easy to find. No need to sticky.

And yet.......

 

[glazeduck]

I guess I don't get that emotional about it. If someone says that we got fleeced in the CJ trade, which has come up quite a bit recently because we're assessing Joe Cronin's resume the past 18 months, and I say that the haul wasn't that bad because we have Grant and Thybulle. If they tell me that Thybulle was not part of that, and they're sure of it, I'm going to go get the details of the trade.

I'm not sure why you're getting so emotional about me correcting what seems to be a fairly widespread misunderstanding about a significant trade in the past 18 months. And before you take issue with me saying you're emotional, telling me that I'm basically being toxic, petty, and driving people from the board is (to me) the very definition of emotional.

The last time people started hammering on me about being "pedantic" and repeating myself, it was about what Dame said in regards to using the pick and requesting a trade. When I take a hard stance on a topic, I'm usually right.

I'm not emotional about it at all. I just don't understand why you feel the need to continually hammer this point. I genuinely don't get the point of you beating this dead horse so much. After the 4th or 5th time seeing you engage in this argument, I'm just sharing that it's taking away from the experience of this board...

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm not emotional about it at all. I just don't understand why you feel the need to continually hammer this point. I genuinely don't get the point of you beating this dead horse so much. After the 4th or 5th time seeing you engage in this argument, I'm just sharing that it's taking away from the experience of this board...

I'm not the one bringing it up dude.

Other person: The CJ trade was bad. We got fleeced.

Me: The CJ trade wasn't that bad. We ended up with Grant and Thybulle.

Other person: We didn't get Thybulle from the Josh Hart trade.

Me: Yes we did. (insert link here)

Where is me "hammering" on anything? People post incorrect shit. I post the correct shit. End of story. I finally got tired of it and created this thread to hopefully head off future interactions about this topic. Isn't that exactly what you're talking about? Not having to "hammer" on this topic anymore? I'm tired of having to set people straight on it.

But you're the one who decided to make it about me instead of just skipping over the thread. We could have avoided this entire conversation if you had just ignored it.

 

[Tince]

When I take a hard stance on a topic, I'm usually right.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15073430

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm not emotional about it at all. I just don't understand why you feel the need to continually hammer this point. I genuinely don't get the point of you beating this dead horse so much. After the 4th or 5th time seeing you engage in this argument, I'm just sharing that it's taking away from the experience of this board...

Id say the experience of the board has always had people hammering irrelevant points.

That or really stupid opinions. Then some funny posts but with no real useful purpose. Other posts just needlessly arguing.

We probably have about 1 of 20 posts here with actual useful content. Certainly this one falls short as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

Id say the experience of the board has always had people hammering irrelevant points.

That or really stupid opinions. Then some funny posts but with no real useful purpose. Other posts just needlessly arguing.

We probably have about 1 of 20 posts here with actual useful content. Certainly this one falls short as well.

How is it irrelevant? When we are debating whether Joe is a good or bad GM, if people are misrepresenting which players were acquired in which trade, that is kind of important.

The LAC trade was amazing because we got Shaedon Sharpe from it..... right?

 

[Natebishop3]

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15073430

That's why I have you here. When is the last time I took a hard stance on a topic and was proven to be wrong?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

That's why I have you here. When is the last time I took a hard stance on a topic and was proven to be wrong?

Well "proven" is pretty difficult to ever show one way or the other when its a bunch of opinions and speculation.

I've thought you were totally wrong on your LaMarcus leaving opinions but you will continue to believe you were and are right.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well "proven" is pretty difficult to ever show one way or the other when its a bunch of opinions and speculation.

I've thought you were totally wrong on your LaMarcus leaving opinions but you will continue to believe you were and are right.

Wait..... why? I thought he would not return and he didn't. Which part was I wrong about?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

How is it irrelevant? When we are debating whether Joe is a good or bad GM, if people are misrepresenting which players were acquired in which trade, that is kind of important.

The LAC trade was amazing because we got Shaedon Sharpe from it..... right?

Irrelevant was probably not the best word - insignificant is probably better.

 

[Natebishop3]

Irrelevant was probably not the best word - insignificant is probably better.

I think that Thybulle is a pretty significant part of the Hart trade, which is a big part of the CJ trade.

But I can see why you would feel that way if you just don't care about that topic. But assessing Joe's performance for the past 18 months is a fairly significant point of conversation right now.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Nate -- Your comment on that Clippers trade and how it was good cause it got the team Sharpe please tell me you were joking or being sarcastic or something.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

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  PORTLAND, Ore. — The Portland Trail Blazers are acquiring defensive standout Matisse Thybulle from the Philadelphia 76ers in a three-team trade between the Blazers, 76ers and Charlotte Hornets, according to Chris Haynes of Bleacher Report and Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
  
  According to Bobby Marks of ESPN, this is the full framework of the trade:
  • Portland receives: Thybulle
  • Philadelphia receives: Jalen McDaniels, 2024 second-round pick from New York (via Charlotte), 2029 second-round pick from Portland
  • Charlotte receives: Svi Mykhailiuk (from New York via Portland), 2023 second-round pick (more favorable of Atlanta, Charlotte and Brooklyn via Philadelphia), 2027 second-round pick (more favorable of Pelicans/Blazers via Blazers)

https://www.kgw.com/article/sports/...ulle/283-25d0c359-3a4d-4959-a44c-2a0d9f707f06

There doesn't seem to be a consensus that you believe there is.

Still not sure why you aren't including Kris Murray in the deal since he was the result of trading Josh Hart.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Wait..... why? I thought he would not return and he didn't. Which part was I wrong about?

I don't believe it was a guarantee he would leave. I don't think it was a guarantee he would stay either. He is a fickly guy and what he wanted changed often. Yes there was risk he would leave, but there was also a reward he could stay or that the team could've played very well in the playoffs.

Yeah he ultimately left, but I don't believe that was certain before Wes injury.

You can never prove me wrong and I can never prove you wrong.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't believe it was a guarantee he would leave. I don't think it was a guarantee he would stay either. He is a fickly guy and what he wanted changed often. Yes there was risk he would leave, but there was also a reward he could stay or that the team could've played very well in the playoffs.

Yeah he ultimately left, but I don't believe that was certain before Wes injury.

You can never prove me wrong and I can never prove you wrong.

I can't prove when the decision was made, but I had been saying for years that he would leave and he did. It wasn't a last minute decision. That we can be sure of. That's why Kim Hughes was fired. It was known that he would not be returning practically during the middle of that playoff series. He bailed on us.

But you're right. I think there was indications that he would leave years in advance and we should have traded him. Only proof I have is the rumors that he basically asked out the year before we beat Houston in the first round.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I think that Thybulle is a pretty significant part of the Hart trade, which is a big part of the CJ trade.

But I can see why you would feel that way if you just don't care about that topic. But assessing Joe's performance for the past 18 months is a fairly significant point of conversation right now.

There was plenty of reporting that didn't have Hart in that deal. You need to relax and step away from the keyboard.

 

[Natebishop3]

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  PORTLAND, Ore. — The Portland Trail Blazers are acquiring defensive standout Matisse Thybulle from the Philadelphia 76ers in a three-team trade between the Blazers, 76ers and Charlotte Hornets, according to Chris Haynes of Bleacher Report and Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
  
  According to Bobby Marks of ESPN, this is the full framework of the trade:
  • Portland receives: Thybulle
  • Philadelphia receives: Jalen McDaniels, 2024 second-round pick from New York (via Charlotte), 2029 second-round pick from Portland
  • Charlotte receives: Svi Mykhailiuk (from New York via Portland), 2023 second-round pick (more favorable of Atlanta, Charlotte and Brooklyn via Philadelphia), 2027 second-round pick (more favorable of Pelicans/Blazers via Blazers)

https://www.kgw.com/article/sports/...ulle/283-25d0c359-3a4d-4959-a44c-2a0d9f707f06

There doesn't seem to be a consensus that you believe there is.

Still not sure why you aren't including Kris Murray in the deal since he was the result of trading Josh Hart.

This is based on the initial tweets from Woj. It was eventually rolled into the Hart trade. It was all part of that one trade.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

This is based on the initial tweets from Woj. It was eventually rolled into the Hart trade. It was all part of that one trade.

We get that. Which means the deal could have been done separately. Hart getting traded had nothing to do with us getting Thybulle. It just got rolled into one for simplicity sake.