Meeting between Dame and Cronin today

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BBert said:
I accidentally hit post earlier. What I meant to say is that it's a perfectly normal meeting with the team's franchise player to plan strategy, discuss players and proposals, and get Dame's input. Certainly that could result in a mutual decision to shop Dame. But to presume as some want to do that the purpose of the meeting is for Dame to give ultimatums or ask out strikes me as not based in real life.
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Dame's agent being there makes it nothing close to perfectly normal.
 
Paine Tablet said:
Such bullshit. They literally just picked his replacement after shutting him down in order to tank. The Blazers could've drafted a player with more potential for team basketball(Amen) and not his replacement, but they wanted to appease the "bad basketball", "clout-chasing", "shiny things", "shitlib" crowd.
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Wow, that escalated quickly!

That said, I never heard anyone describe Amen as "transcendent." Maybe that's why they drafted Scoot over him, eh? If Miller was available, then we would have drafted him, and this discussion is probably moot (that means no longer relevant.)
 
BonesJones said:
They shut it down to have an asset to build a win-now team around Dame as Cronin made it sound like during the exit interview. Dame was confident in interviews the past couple months that the Blazers would pull something off. Then they draft his replacement.

I don't know how much I believe this so take it with a grain of salt or twenty, but it's possible that the Blazers front office believes Scoot is a better option for the team to build now and for the future than guys like Jaylen Brown. It seems truly possible that Portland never seriously pitched the 3rd pick for what was available and instead went after guys that weren't (Bam & Zion) so it could appear that they tried for Dame, solely because they think Scoot is THAT good. Not only does that feel over-optimistic, but it doesn't make sense for Dame and doesn't do right by him, and goes against everything Joe, Chauncey, and Dame said they wanted in their exit interviews (less youth, more veterans, and more size). The fact that his career here could end without Portland ever taking a swing because they found a shiny new PG feels so wrong to me. Dame leaving would be the front offices doing because this would push even the most loyal stars to their limits.
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Scoot is also the cheaper option.... which seems to be a trend.
 
Gronk_Brady said:
Dame shouldn’t have vented publicly. Now half the fan base is ready to move on. It’s Scoot’s team going forward whether he likes it or not. Only a matter of time before he is traded… might as well do it now to maximize opportunity for both parties.
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LMAO just when i thought your takes couldn't get any worse. Scoots team? Get a grip. You big mad.


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Paine Tablet said:
Such bullshit. They literally just picked his replacement after shutting him down in order to tank. The Blazers could've drafted a player with more potential for team basketball(Amen) and not his replacement, but they wanted to appease the "bad basketball", "clout-chasing", "shiny things", "shitlib" crowd.

Maybe they could repeat another season with Eubanks as a vital cog in shit basketball to show him how they really care.
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We need two actual pt guards on this team and Dame is perfect to mentor Scoot through the duration of his career..when Scoot takes the lead..Scoot will extend Dame's career and save Dame's body from banging in the paint so much...it makes perfect sense...Ant needs to go period...he wasn't a great pt guard and not strong enough to play two guard and defend...Dame and Scoot will give you a lethal tag team of bench production and starters. I'm stoked to see it...Ant is too passive when Dame is on the court. Scoot is anything but passive.
 
BBert said:
I accidentally hit post earlier. What I meant to say is that it's a perfectly normal meeting with the team's franchise player to plan strategy, discuss players and proposals, and get Dame's input. Certainly that could result in a mutual decision to shop Dame. But to presume as some want to do that the purpose of the meeting is for Dame to give ultimatums or ask out strikes me as not based in real life.
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Who needs real life when you got the internet.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Scoot is also the cheaper option.... which seems to be a trend.
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A youth rebuild would likely mean being under the cap for the next three or four seasons and getting paid from teams that actually go into the lux tax to try and win titles.
 
RonBrewer said:
Problem with a lot on this board is they think they are Fkn GMs and know what is best.

Rebuild and put a team together for Dame can both be true at the same time.
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Not by drafting Scoot.

He was fourth on my list. 1st. Amen 2nd. Miller 3rd. trade for star. 4. draft Scoot. Scoot is the most redundant if you are building around Dame.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Scoot is also the cheaper option.... which seems to be a trend.
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This. I heard Cronin say two things after the draft: They picked BPA, regardless of fit; and he's not allowed to spend money to improve the team. What else can he do?

[Edit: That's me paraphrasing what I interpreted him saying.]
 
Does anybody besides me think that this meeting is more likely to be about Cronin’s upcoming moves than some big announcement about Dame? Joe has to make moves on Reddish’s and Thybulle’s offers, Grant’s new contract, a probably a couple of trades. His decisions on all of those things depend on whether Dame is going to buy in on the team for this season.
 
RonBrewer said:
I'm not sure i'm exactly right on how @Chris Craig feels here but i'm not 100 percent convinced we are keeping Scoot.
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We are keeping Scoot....unless a can't turn down once in a lifetime deal comes...we are keeping Scoot. Cronin and the brass are high on him and think he will be a star...they hope he will.

Cronin will try to trade Ant/Nurk/Little/Keon/Knox. That and future picks. You know he is selling Dame on opening those picks busting a move.

Cronin wants to keep rebuilding around Dame with Scoot as part of that.
 
BBert said:
This. I heard Cronin say two things after the draft: They picked BPA, regardless of fit; and he's not allowed to spend money to improve the team. What else can he do?
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I missed the part where he said he's not allowed to spend money.
 
BonesJones said:
They shut it down to have an asset to build a win-now team around Dame as Cronin made it sound like during the exit interview. Dame was confident in interviews the past couple months that the Blazers would pull something off. Then they draft his replacement.

I don't know how much I believe this so take it with a grain of salt or twenty, but it's possible that the Blazers front office believes Scoot is a better option for the team to build now and for the future than guys like Jaylen Brown. It seems truly possible that Portland never seriously pitched the 3rd pick for what was available and instead went after guys that weren't (Bam & Zion) so it could appear that they tried for Dame, solely because they think Scoot is THAT good. Not only does that feel over-optimistic, but it doesn't make sense for Dame and doesn't do right by him, and goes against everything Joe, Chauncey, and Dame said they wanted in their exit interviews (less youth, more veterans, and more size). The fact that his career here could end without Portland ever taking a swing because they found a shiny new PG feels so wrong to me. Dame leaving would be the front offices doing because this would push even the most loyal stars to their limits.
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It's tough because whether they came close on trades (heard of a couple of discussions that didn't get very close, but what other teams were asking was ridiculous), is there really the assets and the time to get the Blazers to a contending level? Dame has had vets around him for most of his career. We can all debate how good those vets were and how Olshey worked around the fringes, but we traded a lot of 1st round picks for vets....they just weren't good enough. They now have actual young pieces that show a lot of potential and with the coming CBA, large contracts are going to be tougher and tougher to manage.

I've yet to see a legit proposal that we had enough assets/salary to bring in that would have improved us that much and it would have taken many of the few contracts we had left. It sucks, but that is where we are stuck at. They could still try to trade And/Nurk/Little, but what does that really get? What can they actually get in FA'cy? I hope they can put something together if Dame is going to stay here that will get us into Playoff range that isn't just hanging around the Play-In level.

But if he does decide to move on, I hope it is to a place where he has a chance to win like Clyde and Jerome did. Maybe the 'kids' grow into something special and he comes back and ends his career here on a team that has a shot in part with some of the assets that came in return for him.

We should be thrilled about the players we got in the Draft. I thought they did very well with each pick. Instead, it seems like there is this cloud over the team that we are waiting for the other shoe to drop instead of being able to celebrate the exciting young players that will be joining Shaedon.
 
e_blazer said:
Does anybody besides me think that this meeting is more likely to be about Cronin’s upcoming moves than some big announcement about Dame? Joe has to make moves on Reddish’s and Thybulle’s offers, Grant’s new contract, a probably a couple of trades. His decisions on all of those things depend on whether Dame is going to buy in on the team for this season.
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We will see a trade or two. A few non current FA signings, Thybulle, and then finally Grant, as long as Dame buy in. I think he does...for now. He wants to believe.
 
blazerkor said:
I missed the part where he said he's not allowed to spend money.
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Me paraphrasing what I thought I heard. He gave multiple answers that I interpreted as him low-key saying it in different ways, without coming out and saying it, which of course he can't do.
 
e_blazer said:
Does anybody besides me think that this meeting is more likely to be about Cronin’s upcoming moves than some big announcement about Dame? Joe has to make moves on Reddish’s and Thybulle’s offers, Grant’s new contract, a probably a couple of trades. His decisions on all of those things depend on whether Dame is going to buy in on the team for this season.
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Joe would like for it to be about that and at this point maybe it's turned into that but Dame brought his agent. So at the very least Dame went into this meeting thinking that asking out was an option.
 
e_blazer said:
Does anybody besides me think that this meeting is more likely to be about Cronin’s upcoming moves than some big announcement about Dame? Joe has to make moves on Reddish’s and Thybulle’s offers, Grant’s new contract, a probably a couple of trades. His decisions on all of those things depend on whether Dame is going to buy in on the team for this season.
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I don't know. A part of the meeting is Probably Cronin explaining in detail the offers he was given around the draft, what they meant, short and long term, and why he didn't accept

another part was probably explaining to Dame what the options could be over the next 2 weeks
 
Chris Craig said:
We will see a trade or two. A few non current FA signings, Thybulle, and then finally Grant, as long as Dame buya in. I think he does...for now. He wants to believe.
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That’s my point. If Dame was asking for a trade, it would be about a 10 minute meeting and a press announcement. This is about making moves that Dame will be comfortable staying for.
 
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