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Boob-No-More said:
If they don't want to move him, why aren't they playing him? Seriously, they tried the Jokic/Nurkic combo last year and again this year at the start of the season. They both play well separately, but put them on the court together and it's a disaster:

"That's not going to change if Jokic stays healthy. The Nuggets have tried playing the two together, and it doesn't work. They get outscored by 16.1 points per 100 possessions whenever sharing the floor—and they've played just five minutes together since Nov. 11."

He wants out of DEN and they want to move him. If he isn't traded to the highest bidder by the deadline, he will surely be traded during the summer. They struck gold with Jokic in the second round in that draft (41st pick), and even though Nurkic was a good value at the 16th pick, they are looking to move him for another potential asset.

Could be something as simple as a mid first round pick, or two later picks. They are looking to rebuild around Jokic and also also shopping Galinari, Chandler, Barton and Faried. Galinari, Chandler and Faried all have another two years left after this season and are all too old to figure into their youth movement. Even with those three on the books, DEN will go into the summer with about $46 million in available cap space. Thye can easily absorb a big contract - especially if they can get rid of one of those three in the process.

So, maybe they look to Nurkic along with one of those big contracts for a pick and a younger player - someone like Allen Crabbe. But, unless they think Crabbe can play SF, they may not want him. They believe 19-year old Jamal Murray is their SG of the future. So, unless they plan on playing Crabbe at SF or eventually becoming Murray's back up, he may not make sense for them. I don't think we have anything else they'd want other than 1st round picks. Perhaps get a third team, like ORL, PHI or BRK involved - but the latter would have to wait until July to get Crabbe - one year after we matched BRK's offer.

BNM
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I think they won't even consider taking Crabbe. They have shooting guards in Murray and Harris, both have bigger potential and will still be on low contracts for a while I think (Jamal was only drafted last year). At small forward they have Chandler and Galinari, and Barton can play both positions. It makes no sense to trade Chandler or Galinari to get a more expensive Crabbe who has spent most of his time playing at SG. Basically, the way their roster looks now, SG/SF is the last thing they will be looking for IMO.

Crabbe will be a very hard sell IMO. $19M a year is a lot of money for a player who would not be second or even third best player anywhere bar maybe Brooklyn.
 
Chandler wants to be traded and Galinari will be a FA soon. Neither will be there long term.
 
Sarni said:
I think they won't even consider taking Crabbe. They have shooting guards in Murray and Harris, both have bigger potential and will still be on low contracts for a while I think (Jamal was only drafted last year). At small forward they have Chandler and Galinari, and Barton can play both positions. It makes no sense to trade Chandler or Galinari to get a more expensive Crabbe who has spent most of his time playing at SG. Basically, the way their roster looks now, SG/SF is the last thing they will be looking for IMO.

Crabbe will be a very hard sell IMO. $19M a year is a lot of money for a player who would not be second or even third best player anywhere bar maybe Brooklyn.
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And they are shopping all three. They want to get younger and will have plenty of cap space. So, they may be interested in Crabbe if he comes with a draft pick attached. Although I still think a third team would need to be involved because Crabbe doesn't really fill a need for them (unless they think they need an overpaid, one dimensional bench player).

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
And they are shopping all three. They want to get younger and will have plenty of cap space. So, they may be interested in Crabbe if he comes with a draft pick attached. Although I still think a third team would need to be involved because Crabbe doesn't really fill a need for them (unless they think they need an overpaid, one dimensional bench player).

BNM
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I still consider Crabbe more of a shooting guard than small forward and they have two who are more talented. I don't think Crabbe's upside is anywhere near enough for a team like Denver to spend almost $20M a year on him, they'd probably rather get picks and draft because they've really been drafting pretty well lately. Mudiay, Murray, Harris (drafted by Bulls but traded immediately), Jokic and Nurkic are all very talented players so they must be doing something right behind the scenes when it comes to scouting.

Actually when it comes to future prospects, I'd say Nuggets are quietly the most talented young team in the league because they have a lot of depth and their talent pool is very diverse. They will probably be going for a small forward or a power forward in the Summer and will get some nice options between 10 and 18 where they will land in the draft. I think they'd actually like Noah Vonleh more than Crabbe in a trade, they could use him.

Nurkic is definitely a possibility we should exploit. Him and Ibaka IMO, if the price is right. I don't think we will be able to draft a C as talented as Nurkic in the Summer and I'd focus more on power forwards and small forwards in the draft because there'll be plenty within our range, and even with Cleveland pick we'll get something nice I believe. Get Nurkic in, get one of the power forwards in the draft (Hartenstein/Markkanen/Leaf/Rabb) and then look for value with Cleveland's pick and the future suddenly looks good!
 
Sarni said:
I still consider Crabbe more of a shooting guard than small forward and they have two who are more talented. I don't think Crabbe's upside is anywhere near enough for a team like Denver to spend almost $20M a year on him, they'd probably rather get picks and draft because they've really been drafting pretty well lately. Mudiay, Murray, Harris (drafted by Bulls but traded immediately), Jokic and Nurkic are all very talented players so they must be doing something right behind the scenes when it comes to scouting.

Actually when it comes to future prospects, I'd say Nuggets are quietly the most talented young team in the league because they have a lot of depth and their talent pool is very diverse. They will probably be going for a small forward or a power forward in the Summer and will get some nice options between 10 and 18 where they will land in the draft. I think they'd actually like Noah Vonleh more than Crabbe in a trade, they could use him.

Nurkic is definitely a possibility we should exploit. Him and Ibaka IMO, if the price is right. I don't think we will be able to draft a C as talented as Nurkic in the Summer and I'd focus more on power forwards and small forwards in the draft because there'll be plenty within our range, and even with Cleveland pick we'll get something nice I believe. Get Nurkic in, get one of the power forwards in the draft (Hartenstein/Markkanen/Leaf/Rabb) and then look for value with Cleveland's pick and the future suddenly looks good!
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I agree 100%, which is why I keep saying a trade involving Crabbe and Nurkic only makes sense if a third team is involved.

Unfortunately, Crabbe can't be traded to BRK until after July 8, and I doubt id DEN is willing to wait that long. If Nurkic does last past the deadline, no way does he last past the draft. DEN is gung ho to go all in on the youth movement and wants to move Nurkic for one, or more, picks in this draft.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I agree 100%, which is why I keep saying a trade involving Crabbe and Nurkic only makes sense if a third team is involved.

Unfortunately, Crabbe can't be traded to BRK until after July 8, and I doubt id DEN is willing to wait that long. If Nurkic does last past the deadline, no way does he last past the draft. DEN is gung ho to go all in on the youth movement and wants to move Nurkic for one, or more, picks in this draft.

BNM
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Yep, agreed. Then again do Nets even have anything that Denver might like? Problem with trading for Nurkic is that it's hard to find assets that Denver need/want. Nets do not even own their picks for the foreseeable future so they are not a trade partner. Maybe Philadelphia with their dozens of picks.
 
Sarni said:
Yep, agreed. Then again do Nets even have anything that Denver might like? Problem with trading for Nurkic is that it's hard to find assets that Denver need/want. Nets do not even own their picks for the foreseeable future so they are not a trade partner. Maybe Philadelphia with their dozens of picks.
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PHI is definitely another option. They desperately need outside shooters to surround their young bigs, and that need will increase when Ben Simmons starts playing. He is a very unique talent, but currently lacks a reliable outside shot. Someone like Crabbe would thrive playing next to a strong inside presence like Embiid and a great distributor like Simmons. He'd get plenty of catch and shoot opportunities, which is his strength, and he's still young enough to fit in with their young core. They have cap space a a bunch of draft picks. So, they would be a good third team to get involved.

BNM
 
The thing is Crabbe has to agree on the trade until summer. So I think if Crabbe leaves will be maybe the draft time but won't take effect until after July 1.
 
Trackjack said:
The thing is Crabbe has to agree on the trade until summer. So I think if Crabbe leaves will be maybe the draft time but won't take effect until after July 1.
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Crabbe has the option to waive the no trade clause, which he may do if he's going someplace he might start.

In theory, he can also waive his no trade clause, but I see absolutely no reason why he would. The amount of the trade clause is 15% of the prorated balance of his contract. That works out to $9.4 million today and he'd be foolish to leave that on the table. The kicker would be paid by the Blazers and while it would count as incoming salary, for cap purposes, to any team that trades for Crabbe, it would not count as outgoing salary for the Blazers.

BNM
 
OK, I'm bringing this thread back up, as a place to suggest trades, not predict them. All the trades I suggest have been vetted on ESPN trade machine.

1. Allen Crabbe for Ibaka and Eldrid Payton. Not even sure why Orlando would do this, maybe they think they can make Fournier a SF. I make them throw in a defensive PG since all we are getting is possibly a rental.

2.Myers Leonard and Maurice Harkless for Willy Cauley-Stein and Rudy Gay. Willy has a 16.8 PER, about 1.5 blocks per 36 over his career. Could he do better with a larger role? Hate to give up Harkless but it gets rid of Leonard's contract. If we throw in a draft pick and take Tolliver's contract, will they go for it with just Leonard?

3. This is kind of crazy; but read Washington wants to get rid of Mahimni, who has been injured until now, but was a solid two-way player. We give them a chance to get out of what looks like a bad signing by giving them our bad signing of Leonard plus Ezeli. Of course we take a big risk taking on a 30 year old guy with injury history. Do we ask for a draft pick also?
 
OK, another one. Vucevic and Elfrid Payton for Ezeli, Vonleh, Napier (or whoever they want to make the salaries match) and our Cleveland pick.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
OK, another one. Vucevic and Elfrid Payton for Ezeli, Vonleh, Napier (or whoever they want to make the salaries match) and our Cleveland pick.
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The Cleveland pick is essentially a 2nd rounder. Fairly low value. Any trade for Vucevic would have to include our 1st rounder, which I would be fine with. But that Cavs pick is not going to net anything of value (or allow us to dump a crap contract like Crabbe or Meyers).
 
I have a non sexy trade idea with the Suns.

Harkless, Leonard, and Ezeli for Chandler, Dudley, and Barbosa. It would kinda suck giving up Harkless but we need some vets and all three of those guys kinda fit what we need (Chandler with post defense, Dudley with solid 3&D, and Barbosa with the 6th man role he plays well with).
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
I have a non sexy trade idea with the Suns.

Harkless, Leonard, and Ezeli for Chandler, Dudley, and Barbosa. It would kinda suck giving up Harkless but we need some vets and all three of those guys kinda fit what we need (Chandler with post defense, Dudley with solid 3&D, and Barbosa with the 6th man role he plays well with).
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The coach loves Chandler and said he would be on the team as long as he is coaching (of course he doesn't make the final decision). They have actually soured on Alex Len. I would go with Len and P.J. Tucker (he is their best defender and one of the most underrated in the league) for Leonard and Ezeli and try to keep Harkless. Tucker can play some at the 4 (although he isn't a shooter like Stotts likes).
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
1. Allen Crabbe for Ibaka and Eldrid Payton. Not even sure why Orlando would do this, maybe they think they can make Fournier a SF. I make them throw in a defensive PG since all we are getting is possibly a rental.
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Founier did play SF for them last season and his advanced numbers, especially his shooting percentages, we better last year playing SF than they are this year playing SG. Worst case, Fournier is AT LEAST as good at SF as he is at SG.

The problem is when they got Ibaka, it forced them to move both Fourier and Gordon down one position, and while Fournier is almost as good at SG as he was at SF, Gordon at SF has been an absolute disaster. That's why they are shopping Ibaka and, if they don't move him prior to the deadline, won't even try to re-sign him come July.

Crabbe would immediately be their best shooter, and it's not close. Yeah, Crabbe and Fournier are both overpaid, but it's not like quality free agents are beating down their door. Taking on an overpaid player like Crabbe (who will seem less overpaid if he's a starter) is their best chance to upgrade their outside shooting. Then they move Fournier back to SF and Gordon, especially, back to his natural PF position.

They are also, clearly, not sold on Elfrid Payton as their PGOTF (or the present). He got demoted earlier in the season, in favor of D.J. Augustin and has now lost his starting job to C.J. Watson. Still, if they did give him up, I think they would want at least a draft pick along with Crabbe. I think they are tired of looking like they get fleeced in every trade they make. So, I doubt if they'd do a 2 for 1. Even getting the CLE pick would at least make it look like they didn't give Payton away for free.

UKRAINEFAN said:
2.Myers Leonard and Maurice Harkless for Willy Cauley-Stein and Rudy Gay. Willy has a 16.8 PER, about 1.5 blocks per 36 over his career. Could he do better with a larger role? Hate to give up Harkless but it gets rid of Leonard's contract. If we throw in a draft pick and take Tolliver's contract, will they go for it with just Leonard?
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Meyers and Boogie in the same locker room???? Well, it would be interesting... How many days into training camp before Boogie gets suspended for conduct detrimental to the team for taking a swing at Meyers during a 5-on-5 scrimmage?

BNM
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
I have a non sexy trade idea with the Suns.

Harkless, Leonard, and Ezeli for Chandler, Dudley, and Barbosa. It would kinda suck giving up Harkless but we need some vets and all three of those guys kinda fit what we need (Chandler with post defense, Dudley with solid 3&D, and Barbosa with the 6th man role he plays well with).
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Why do we need vets? Teams that have a chance of competing need vets.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Meyers and Boogie in the same locker room???? Well, it would be interesting... How many days into training camp before Boogie gets suspended for conduct detrimental to the team for taking a swing at Meyers during a 5-on-5 scrimmage?

BNM
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Down deep, I think those two love each other!
 
Late round pick: Dwayne Stanford from Oregon. He's 6-5 and runs a 4.55. Very fluid athlete, good hands.
 
he'll be going somewhere for less than we should have offered.
 
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