Merged: blazers linked to serge ibaka

[blue32]

I'll be happy to just get rid of Beiber....

 

[H.C.]

I don't really see how a trade with Porland makes sense for Orlando if they're not getting Portland's first rounder.
Outside of that Portland doesn't really have much value to offer for Ibaka, if you take into account Orlando's roster.
Turner/Harkless/Crabbe/Davis/Aminu/Vonleh
Fournier/Gordon/Meeks/BB/Green
Though Orlando has been known to be a mess in their FO.

Makes perfect sense for Portland though. Ibaka can do more than just catch lobs offensively, and he's still a pretty good help defender.
Shame if Portland were to acquire him he'd be in LA in 17-18.

 

[Trackjack]

This trade properly not going to happen I be suprise even any trade happens until draft time.

 

[TBpup]

Funny how RealGM still has Marcelo Nicola as trade option for the Blazers. He's 45 years old and the Blazers aquired his draft rights in 1995. He's actually coaching now.

Julio Franco says 'hello'.

As for Ibaka, I like him now and maybe next year or so but he is declining in his defensive impact IMO. I'm not sure I'd want to be on the hook for the size of contract he will want. Then if you don't pay him, you have lost him as well as the players it took to get him. Skeptical...

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Ibaka and his defense. He plays defense well when the team has a coherent defensive scheme.

The key issue with getting him is if he'll stay. I think he won't.

For those of you who think the Afflalo deal was a bad one, this is exactly the same situation. We trade young players who could/will break out after the trade, plus picks, for a player who bolts.

 

[Blazinaway]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Ibaka and his defense. He plays defense well when the team has a coherent defensive scheme.

The key issue with getting him is if he'll stay. I think he won't.

For those of you who think the Afflalo deal was a bad one, this is exactly the same situation. We trade young players who could/will break out after the trade, plus picks, for a player who bolts.

yep, besides other stuff this is the number one reason, give up an asset (pick) in a meaningless season and then he leaves would be utter stupidity

 

[H.C.]

Cleveland first, Davis, and Ezeli would give Orlando a first rounder in a good draft and save them money. Hmm. Maybe it's not that crazy. I'm just thinking about what other teams could/would offer for him. I would also throw in another heavily protected first if need be.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zmrktvk

Some in Toronto would jump on this trade in a heartbeat.
Especially with Joseph+powell+carrol on the roster.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm okay with Ibaka.... but it can't be the only trade.

 

[Denny Crane]

For those who think I'm still a Bulls fan...

I've read this forum for years and you guys sold me on the team. I've seen how management works and that sold me, too. I really like the players, and I believe in the rebuilding scheme. It's a radical change to see an owner who wants to win and management that makes (IMO) the right moves available to them.

I watched as many as 82 Bulls games a season on NBALP and TV since the Jordan dynasty years. The past two seasons, maybe 2 or 3 Bulls games when they were on at a bar where I had dinner.

I've been watching the Blazers games, instead.

 

[e_blazer]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Ibaka and his defense. He plays defense well when the team has a coherent defensive scheme.

The key issue with getting him is if he'll stay. I think he won't.

For those of you who think the Afflalo deal was a bad one, this is exactly the same situation. We trade young players who could/will break out after the trade, plus picks, for a player who bolts.

I agree that he's a risk to only be a rental for a few months. I think most teams will see it that way and will make their offers accordingly. He'd be a good fit for the Blazers. IMO, a package of Meyers and the Cleveland pick would be worth the shot to see what he can do for the Blazers and to have the use of his Bird rights to attempt to re-sign him.

 

[e_blazer]

For those who think I'm still a Bulls fan...

I've read this forum for years and you guys sold me on the team. I've seen how management works and that sold me, too. I really like the players, and I believe in the rebuilding scheme. It's a radical change to see an owner who wants to win and management that makes (IMO) the right moves available to them.

I watched as many as 82 Bulls games a season on NBALP and TV since the Jordan dynasty years. The past two seasons, maybe 2 or 3 Bulls games when they were on at a bar where I had dinner.

I've been watching the Blazers games, instead.

Sounds like you're about ready for the initiation. Pinwheel tattoo in a painful location and then off to see Mrs. HCP.

 

[blue9]

For those of you who think the Afflalo deal was a bad one, this is exactly the same situation. We trade young players who could/will break out after the trade, plus picks, for a player who bolts.

Except, unlike the Afflalo trade, we're not even a legit Playoff team this time around. Ibaka probably ensures us of the 8th seed, but we still struggle to win a single game in Round 1.

Only way I trade for Ibaka is by jettisoning crap players or contracts (Aminu, Davis, Meyers, Ezeli) and maybe tossing CLE's pick into the mix - but I'm definitely not including OUR pick in the trade.

 

[Denny Crane]

I agree that he's a risk to only be a rental for a few months. I think most teams will see it that way and will make their offers accordingly. He'd be a good fit for the Blazers. IMO, a package of Meyers and the Cleveland pick would be worth the shot to see what he can do for the Blazers and to have the use of his Bird rights to attempt to re-sign him.

I am not opposed to trading for Ibaka. I think he'd be an awesome addition, especially if he stays. He's not that old, and I think he'll be able to play well into his 30s at a high level.

I am warning people that I think he's going to bolt if there's a real contender offering the max they can.

 

[Denny Crane]

Except, unlike the Afflalo trade, we're not even a legit Playoff team this time around. Ibaka probably ensures us of the 8th seed, but we still struggle to win a single game in Round 1.

Only way I trade for Ibaka is by jettisoning crap players or contracts (Aminu, Davis, Meyers, Ezeli) and maybe tossing CLE's pick into the mix - but I'm definitely not including OUR pick in the trade.

I should have pointed that out - that we're not looking for the piece to make us championship contenders. Ibaka would clearly fill a giant hole in the lineup/roster as it's constituted. Leonard needed to step up this season, and didn't. Vonleh is better, but isn't ready yet.

 

[Natebishop3]

I am not opposed to trading for Ibaka. I think he'd be an awesome addition, especially if he stays. He's not that old, and I think he'll be able to play well into his 30s at a high level.

I am warning people that I think he's going to bolt if there's a real contender offering the max they can.

My hope would be that Stotts would win him over. Ibaka could thrive in a Stotts offense.

 

[Denny Crane]

My hope would be that Stotts would win him over. Ibaka could thrive in a Stotts offense.

I agree he'd thrive.

We need to send out salaries to match, preferably taking back less than we send out. And we need to not really hurt ourselves if/when Ibaka bolts.

Ibaka makes $12.25M.

I'm guessing Ezeli's expiring deal has a lot of value to them, since they're giving up an expiring. Plus we need the salary ballast to make the deal work under the CBA.

The Cavs' pick is house money. I have no problem sending that out.

They want a pick and young talent they can grow into a key rotation player.

Leonard + Ezeli + Cavs' pick works, but I'm not sure Orlando would go for it. Leonard still has a lot of upside, though.

Mo + Ezeli + Cavs' pick also works, but I don't know why Orlando wants Mo back. They probably don't see much upside in him.

Aminu + Ezeli + Cavs' pick works.

Davis + Ezeli + pick works.

 

[Denny Crane]

Plus the Cavs' pick and any 2nd rounders that might sweeten the deal enough.

 

[blue9]

I agree he'd thrive.

We need to send out salaries to match, preferably taking back less than we send out. And we need to not really hurt ourselves if/when Ibaka bolts.

Ibaka makes $12.25M.

I'm guessing Ezeli's expiring deal has a lot of value to them, since they're giving up an expiring. Plus we need the salary ballast to make the deal work under the CBA.

The Cavs' pick is house money. I have no problem sending that out.

They want a pick and young talent they can grow into a key rotation player.

Leonard + Ezeli + Cavs' pick works, but I'm not sure Orlando would go for it. Leonard still has a lot of upside, though.

Mo + Ezeli + Cavs' pick also works, but I don't know why Orlando wants Mo back. They probably don't see much upside in him.

Aminu + Ezeli + Cavs' pick works.

Davis + Ezeli + pick works.

My preference would be either of the last two. I wouldn't trade Harkless, and I think it would be embarrassing for ORL to trade for him.
Even though Meyers has stunk it up, I'd rather keep him in the hopes of using him in a future trade. Even if he's never traded, keeping him as a specialist off the bench for very specific and limited usage could prove beneficial if we ever build a good roster with a good system.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I agree he'd thrive.

We need to send out salaries to match, preferably taking back less than we send out. And we need to not really hurt ourselves if/when Ibaka bolts.

Ibaka makes $12.25M.

I'm guessing Ezeli's expiring deal has a lot of value to them, since they're giving up an expiring. Plus we need the salary ballast to make the deal work under the CBA.

The Cavs' pick is house money. I have no problem sending that out.

They want a pick and young talent they can grow into a key rotation player.

Leonard + Ezeli + Cavs' pick works, but I'm not sure Orlando would go for it. Leonard still has a lot of upside, though.

Mo + Ezeli + Cavs' pick also works, but I don't know why Orlando wants Mo back. They probably don't see much upside in him.

Aminu + Ezeli + Cavs' pick works.

Davis + Ezeli + pick works.

Magic writer on Portland radio this morning made it clear that Crabbe is the most intriguing reasonably obtainable player on the Blazers's roster for the Magic. Nate's proposed deal of Crabbe/Leonard for Ibaka/Green makes a lot of sense.

 

[Natebishop3]

Magic writer on Portland radio this morning made it clear that Crabbe is the most intriguing reasonably obtainable player on the Blazers's roster for the Magic. Nate's proposed deal of Crabbe/Leonard for Ibaka/Green makes a lot of sense.

We would have to be pretty confident that we could re-sign Ibaka. Can we still offer him an extension at this point or is it too late?

 

[illmatic99]

Are you guys ok with paying Ibaka 35 mil at age 32?

 

[illmatic99]

Zach from last march: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14877651/chemistry-commitment-blazers-ahead-schedule

Portland will have to upgrade its front court, starting this summer, when Leonard hits restricted free agency. Portland got sticker shock at his asking price during extension talks last fall, sources say, and if they don't think he can defend well enough at either big-man position, they might look for another stretch big; it's too early to earmark big minutes in that role for Vonleh. Serge Ibaka looms as interesting possibility in the summer of 2017, and Olshey surely has targets in mind for the interim.

 

[blue9]

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Plus the Cavs' pick and any 2nd rounders that might sweeten the deal enough.

I don't like it - it's basically a salary dump, and we're dumping our best SF. I understand that Turner is playing SF right now, but I think it's a mistake - he's playing essentially the same as he was off the bench, but Mo's playing worse off the bench than he was as a starter, so it's a net negative.

 

[blue9]

Are you guys ok with paying Ibaka 35 mil at age 32?

 

[illmatic99]

And a follow up.

Would you rather pay Ibaka 35 mil in 2020, or Meyers 11, and Crabbe 18?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We would have to be pretty confident that we could re-sign Ibaka. Can we still offer him an extension at this point or is it too late?

Can he be extended? Yes.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q60

Extensions to contracts that are not rookie scale contracts (i.e., veteran extensions) may be signed up to June 30, the day before the player would have become a free agent.

Can he be extended before the trade? Yes.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q94

Similar to a sign-and-trade arrangement (see question number 91), a team may sign an eligible player to an extension (see question number 60) and immediately trade him to another team. Such an "extend-and-trade" is limited to three seasons, which include any seasons remaining on the player's current contract1. The salary in the first season of the extension can have a 4.5% raise over the last season of the existing contract, and subsequent raises are limited to 4.5% of the salary in the first season of the extension.

How long could those extensions be? 2 years or 3 years depending on if done before or after the trade.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q60

Veteran extensions are limited to four seasons, including the seasons remaining on the current contract. Even if the extension is signed in late June, the current season counts as one full season toward the total. For example, a contract with two seasons remaining may be extended for up to two additional seasons. However, an extension signed in conjunction with an Extend-and-Trade transaction (see question number 94) is limited to three seasons, including the seasons remaining on the current contract.

So, he could be extended an addtional 3 years after he's traded, but those additional 3 years would only be worth $40,57,500 maximum. And if we wanted him extended prior to the trade, he would only get a max of two additional years, for a total of $26,153,750. I think it's safe to say that he's better served to go into free agency rather than sign an extension.

 

[blue9]

And a follow up.

Would you rather pay Ibaka 35 mil in 2020, or Meyers 11, and Crabbe 18?

Option 2. But I don't think either player stays on the roster until 2020.

 

[Denny Crane]

Magic writer on Portland radio this morning made it clear that Crabbe is the most intriguing reasonably obtainable player on the Blazers's roster for the Magic. Nate's proposed deal of Crabbe/Leonard for Ibaka/Green makes a lot of sense.

But Crabbe sucks, and his contract is untradeable!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But Crabbe sucks, and his contract is untradeable!

Except to front offices full of morons...

 

[Denny Crane]

Except to front offices full of morons...

I suspect a lot of front offices.

The guy is hitting 44% of his 3pt shots, and is a double digit scorer as a 6th man.

He obviously has a lot of value.