Merged: Carmelo Trades

[Natebishop3]

Re: Carmelo Trades

Oden could go anywhere from being both the offensive and defensive anchor, to being just the defensive anchor, to merely being valuable on either end. Assuming he stays healthy. It's really hard to evaluate his "value" at the moment.

But in terms of willingness to trade a player, for me it's:

1. Roy
2. Oden
<sizeable gap>
3. Batum
<sizeable gap>
4. Aldridge

So you wouldn't do a trade for Favors/Harris that included Batum? Adding Favors could make LMA expendable so we could trade him for a small forward like Gerald Wallace.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: Carmelo Trades

So you wouldn't do a trade for Favors/Harris that included Batum? Adding Favors could make LMA expendable so we could trade him for a small forward like Gerald Wallace.

I want Favors but not at the price of Batum.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Carmelo Trades

I want Favors but not at the price of Batum.

Okay, but if you're adding Harris, Favors, and Wallace for Batum and Aldridge?

Your starting five would be:

Harris
Roy
Wallace
Favors
Camby (until oden comes back)

 

[Minstrel]

Re: Nuggets want Batum

You don't think Favors and Harris are worth Batum?

It's a tough one. Favors could be special. I love Batum...but I'd probably close my eyes and push the button.

The only way I trade Batum without feeling dirty is if it were in some kind of Chris Paul deal.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Carmelo Trades

Okay, but if you're adding Harris, Favors, and Wallace for Batum and Aldridge?

Your starting five would be:

Harris
Roy
Wallace
Favors
Camby (until oden comes back)

Holy shit... I just made the worst three point shooting starting five in the league.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Nuggets want Batum

It's a tough one. Favors could be special. I love Batum...but I'd probably close my eyes and push the button.

The only way I trade Batum without feeling dirty is if it were in some kind of Chris Paul deal.

The only thing I don't like is that it would leave us very thin at the three. We'd have to move Aldridge (or someone else) for a three like Gerald Wallace (if we could get him).

 

[Minstrel]

Re: Carmelo Trades

So you wouldn't do a trade for Favors/Harris that included Batum? Adding Favors could make LMA expendable so we could trade him for a small forward like Gerald Wallace.

I would, as I said in the other thread. This is getting confusing...I should merge them.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Carmelo Trades

I would, as I said in the other thread. This is getting confusing...I should merge them.

Yeah I saw that

I'm not saying Cho would do it, or even if NJ/Den would go for it. Dealing Favors AND Harris really leaves NJ thin. I don't know if Lopez/Melo is really enough to get it done, and I'm not sure where else they would be getting talent from other than the draft. Plus, Batum and expirings might not be enough to get Melo (although it really should be). Either way, I think I would do it. I like Batum a lot, but swingmen are pretty easy to come by, and I would love to have a player of Favors' caliber on this team. Plus, it would make Aldridge expendable and we could maybe move him for someone like Gerald Wallace.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Nuggets want Batum

At this point, I do not know. We have yet to see how Favors translates to the NBA. I like Nic so much, however, that I would not do Nic for Harris straight up.

I'd almost feel better doing Favors and Harris for LMA than for Batum.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: Nuggets want Batum

I'd almost feel better doing Favors and Harris for LMA than for Batum.

Almost? I'd feel much better doing that. That puts a highly talented young or young-prime player at every position. Aldridge + Favors is a bit of a waste. Also, I think Batum has a higher upside than Aldridge, big versus small notwithstanding.

 

[MickZagger]

Re: Nuggets want Batum

I'd almost feel better doing Favors and Harris for LMA than for Batum.

Oh without a doubt.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Nuggets want Batum

I'd almost feel better doing Favors and Harris for LMA than for Batum.

Yeah, but I don't see why they would do that... the whole point is getting them Melo, and unless Denver wants LMA, I don't think that trade would happen.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Carmelo Trades

Since we're reaching here...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24s43df

Gives us Nash and Troy Murphy, PHX#1 for LMA, Miller and Joel.
DEN gets LMA, Przy, Terrence Williams and NJN #1
NJN gets Melo and Miller
PHX gets Harris and Favors for Nash.

We help 2 conference rivals start to rebuild (not great), DEN and NJN get pretty good pieces back and younger, we get some experience, toughness and a major contender for a year or two. But we keep our draft picks, get well under lux tax, and can run Nash/Roy/Batum/Murphy/Camby with Wes and Oden (when he gets back) and DC filling out the rotation.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Carmelo Trades

Since we're reaching here...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24s43df

Gives us Nash and Troy Murphy, PHX#1 for LMA, Miller and Joel.
DEN gets LMA, Przy, Terrence Williams and NJN #1
NJN gets Melo and Miller
PHX gets Harris and Favors for Nash.

We help 2 conference rivals start to rebuild (not great), DEN and NJN get pretty good pieces back and younger, we get some experience, toughness and a major contender for a year or two. But we keep our draft picks, get well under lux tax, and can run Nash/Roy/Batum/Murphy/Camby with Wes and Oden (when he gets back) and DC filling out the rotation.

I think I'd rather have Favors and Harris than Nash. I like what Nash does, I think he's a great point guard, but I'm not 100% sure he would push us over the top. He doesn't exactly fit into Nate's "system".

 

[Sinobas]

Hmm....perhaps the Blazers are trying to help this deal along, simply to severely weaken a top divisional and conference rival. But it would be sweet if we could somehow land Brook Lopez.

Harris/Aldridge/1st to Denver
Anthony to NJ
Lopez + cap fillers to Portland

If Oden returns, Lopez can play PF twin towers next to him.

Or if they really want Batum and Favors
Lopez to Portland
Batum/Favors to Denver
Anthony to NJ.

I'd really hate to lose Batum, but Lopez would be very tempting

 

[RR7]

If Lopez was getting traded, Denver isn't going to let him go to us for Aldridge or Batum.

 

[Natebishop3]

There's no way they trade Lopez. That's just not happening.

 

[Boise Blazer]

I dont care ... call me a homer or crazy, i dont care, but there 2 only people I would trade Batum for in these scenarios: Chris Paul and Carmello Anthony and neither one of those trades are going to happen. I like Harris but not for Batum. And this isnt about me thinking Batum is worth those 2 talent wise but I honestly believe that he will continue to develop and he is that very important glue guy that all chanmpionship teams need. So Im not willing to give him for other potential talent or borderline stars. I dont want to give him unless I am getting a bonafide superstar in return and that is not going to happen so in my opinion he is just about untouchable for that reason.

 

[Rhal]

NJ has come out and said multiple times that Lopez is untouchable and their is a very good reason why that his. If anything the Nets are just trying to get a few picks from us because I really doubt we would give up Batum especially not just for Harris. No way Denver is gonna trade Carmello to NJ without getting favors so that really just leaves us Harris, unless of course we are trying for Billups and we get rid of Andre/1 first, NO first, and our trade exception to bring him in.

 

[Natebishop3]

NJ has come out and said multiple times that Lopez is untouchable and their is a very good reason why that his. If anything the Nets are just trying to get a few picks from us because I really doubt we would give up Batum especially not just for Harris. No way Denver is gonna trade Carmello to NJ without getting favors so that really just leaves us Harris, unless of course we are trying for Billups and we get rid of Andre/1 first, NO first, and our trade exception to bring him in.

I think Denver is expecting too much if they think they're getting Batum AND Favors while Melo has them over a barrel.

 

[Rhal]

I dont care ... call me a homer or crazy, i dont care, but there 2 only people I would trade Batum for in these scenarios: Chris Paul and Carmello Anthony and neither one of those trades are going to happen. I like Harris but not for Batum. And this isnt about me thinking Batum is worth those 2 talent wise but I honestly believe that he will continue to develop and he is that very important glue guy that all chanmpionship teams need. So Im not willing to give him for other potential talent or borderline stars. I dont want to give him unless I am getting a bonafide superstar in return and that is not going to happen so in my opinion he is just about untouchable for that reason.

Am I the only crazy Homer who doesnt' want to get rid of Batum for Carmello? Carmello is a scoring machine with a bad attitude that slacks off on defense and scores at a very inefficient rate. We already have a bad perimeter defense adding Carmello would just make it worse. Personally I wouldn't like giving Carmello the 25 to 30 shots he takes a night away from some of our guys like LMA and Roy and Oden when he gets back and healthy.

 

[Rhal]

I think Denver is expecting too much if they think they're getting Batum AND Favors while Melo has them over a barrel.

I agree, and I don't think were giving up Batum at all.

 

[Natebishop3]

Am I the only crazy Homer who doesnt' want to get rid of Batum for Carmello? Carmello is a scoring machine with a bad attitude that slacks off on defense and scores at a very inefficient rate. We already have a bad perimeter defense adding Carmello would just make it worse. Personally I wouldn't like giving Carmello the 25 to 30 shots he takes a night away from some of our guys like LMA and Roy and Oden when he gets back and healthy.

I don't think anyone is talking about the Blazers trading for Melo because he pretty much won't come here so there's no reason to trade for him.

 

[Rhal]

I don't think anyone is talking about the Blazers trading for Melo because he pretty much won't come here so there's no reason to trade for him.

I know that, but people talk about wanting to trade for Melo so I thought i'd add my opinion to it, even if it was a little late in the discussion for it.

 

[Natebishop3]

I know that, but people talk about wanting to trade for Melo so I thought i'd add my opinion to it, even if it was a little late in the discussion for it.

Well, he's a legit scoring threat. The guy can drop 30 points any given night, and that's very enticing. Right now we really don't have anyone that can score that consistently outside of Roy. We had hoped that Aldridge could be that guy, but he's really looking more like a third option on offense. Maybe Batum could be our second guy, but it's still early to tell. Melo would make the Blazers very difficult to guard, but if he won't sign an extension here, there's zero reason to trade for him.

 

[Rhal]

Well, he's a legit scoring threat. The guy can drop 30 points any given night, and that's very enticing. Right now we really don't have anyone that can score that consistently outside of Roy. We had hoped that Aldridge could be that guy, but he's really looking more like a third option on offense. Maybe Batum could be our second guy, but it's still early to tell. Melo would make the Blazers very difficult to guard, but if he won't sign an extension here, there's zero reason to trade for him.

I just don't like the amount of shots he takes to get that 30. We are one of the slowest paced teams so we shoot less then other teams but have a very efficient offense, with Melo we would have to either take shots away from Roy and Aldridge or increase our pace, and were probably not increasing out pace lol. Although I could deal with that its the fact Melo seems to not care that much about defense tell the 4th that worries me more.
But anyhow yea no way were getting him here because he doesn't want a small market teams he wants one of the big three markets, Chicago,NJ,NY. Probably LA too but I doubt they want him.

 

[Further]

The problem with trading Batum is not just that he is a good player, but that he is a good player who fits near fucking perfect next to Roy, with his help D, ability to defend PG-PF and dead eye 3pt abilities. The last several year we have been cycling through PG's, some have sucked, but some like Miller are very good PG's. We have witnessed that playing well next to Roy is no easy task at PG, and my guess is at SF also. Switching Batum out for G. Wallace or some other potentially better SF, would risk a lot in reducing Roy's effectiveness.

For Batum to be traded, I would need for a PG to come back that I believed would be super-quality and fit well with Roy and the rest of the team. Only a few of these players exist, like Paul or Williams.

 

[Natebishop3]

The problem with trading Batum is not just that he is a good player, but that he is a good player who fits near fucking perfect next to Roy, with his help D, ability to defend 4 PG-PF and dead eye 3pt abilities. The last several year we have been cycling through PG's, some have sucked, but some like Miller are very good PG's. We have witnessed that playing well next to Roy is no easy task at PG, and my guess is at SF also. Switching Batum out for G. Wallace or some other potentially better SF, would risk a lot in reducing Roy's effectiveness.

For Batum to be traded, I would need for a PG to come back that I believed would be super-quality and fit well with Roy and the rest of the team. Only a few of these players exist, like Paul or Williams.

Well, if Utah keeps sucking, Williams might be a possibility. Although I doubt Utah would trade with us.

 

[Minstrel]

Well, if Utah keeps sucking, Williams might be a possibility. Although I doubt Utah would trade with us.

If Utah trades Williams, they're doing a full tear-down...at which point, I kinda doubt they care about how good Portland is. They won't be competing with Portland anyway, or contending for some number of years.

I don't think they'd ever trade Williams, though, unless he was approaching the end of a deal and told them he had no/little interest in re-signing with them.

 

[Natebishop3]

If Utah trades Williams, they're doing a full tear-down...at which point, I kinda doubt they care about how good Portland is. They won't be competing with Portland anyway, or contending for some number of years.

I don't think they'd ever trade Williams, though, unless he was approaching the end of a deal and told them he had no/little interest in re-signing with them.

Well, he was making some comments about wanting out during the summer I think, or maybe it was last season. I'll see if I can dig them up.