Merged: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

[hasoos]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

I think the team's rotations are so discombobulated due to injury, its hard to get a team flow going, hence the rabid inconsistencies this year.

No one on the team is solid, with the exception of Miller.

Actually no I believe this is what I was talking about weeks back, when I was worried about what happens when players come back. When injuries happened, it forced Nate to use a shortened rotation and the few players he had, had a ton of playing time, and never had to be worried about being jerked around, because Nate had nobody else to put in. They played much more confident knowing they weren't going to get jerked out. Now that players are coming back, we are seeing the same issues that were here in the beginning of the season. They never went away, just the players who were causing them did.

 

[Buzz Killington]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Well, if you constantly shift everything every game, inconisistency happens.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

You could have said the same about Drazen.

Could I?

Drazen as a rookie shot the ball way better than Rudy. 0.485 vs. 0.425 FG%, 0.459 vs. 0.399 3FG%. He had much better shot mechanics with a higher release point. Rudy's has a low release point and needs to be wide open to get his shot off. Drazen was also a better passer (17.8 vs. 12.7 AST%).

The biggest difference is Drazen didn't get enough PT to show what he could do in Portland. He averaged on 12.6 MPG his rookie year and was only getting 7.4 MPG his second season when the Blazers traded him.

I'm MUCH less worried about Rudy blowing up elsewhere. He's had plenty of chances to show what he can do (25.6 MPG last year, 22.6 MPG this year). We've seen all he's got, and it really isn't all that special. I'm not a Rudy hater. I love his energy, but no way do I see him ever being an NBA all-star. He's no Drazen Petrovic.

BNM

 

[hasoos]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Could I?

Drazen as a rookie shot the ball way better than Rudy. 0.485 vs. 0.425 FG%, 0.459 vs. 0.399 3FG%. He had much better shot mechanics with a higher release point. Rudy's has a low release point and needs to be wide open to get his shot off. Drazen was also a better passer (17.8 vs. 12.7 AST%).

The biggest difference is Drazen didn't get enough PT to show what he could do in Portland. He averaged on 12.6 MPG his rookie year and was only getting 7.4 MPG his second season when the Blazers traded him.

I'm MUCH less worried about Rudy blowing up elsewhere. He's had plenty of chances to show what he can do (25.6 MPG last year, 22.6 MPG this year). We've seen all he's got, and it really isn't all that special. I'm not a Rudy hater. I love his energy, but no way do I see him ever being an NBA all-star. He's no Drazen Petrovic.

BNM

Drazen was far superior to Rudy. If Rudy wants more playing time, he might try playing worth a fuck for a change. It is that simple.

 

[Buzz Killington]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Please tell me that even you, looking at their actual stats, can tell the difference between Rudy and Petro.

Petrovic was much more efficient than Rudy is, and I would venture that he was also much more consistent.

Petrovic was far from consistent in Portland.

If you actually watched the game instead of looking at box stats. we need to be patient, not deal someone because they have a string of 5 bad games.

 

[jlprk]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Did Pritchard drag him back by his attractive hair after he had played his lousy minutes, or before? If before, that explains why he sucked in the game.

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

I think the team's rotations are so discombobulated due to injury, its hard to get a team flow going, hence the rabid inconsistencies this year.

No one on the team is solid, with the exception of Miller.

Aldridge has been solid.

 

[Buzz Killington]

the thing that bugs me about Rudy is that he seems to have the ball and works off others creating for him, then he just launches a shot. IMO, he should have the ball longer in his posession, he just looks like a one-trick pony because he is just chucking 3s. Not sure if that is Rudy's fault or the fault of the offense. He should be able to create more of his shots.

 

[hasoos]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Aldridge has been solid.

Well we can obviously argue about who has been solid by opinion all day, but in the end, the only solid player on the Blazers is named Roy, and that will still be the only answer that is correct.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Petrovic was far from consistent in Portland.

If you actually watched the game instead of looking at box stats. we need to be patient, not deal someone because they have a string of 5 bad games.

Well, aren't we arrogant today? First of all, I've been on the "deal Rudy" bandwagon since the offseason, so don't lump me in with those who just joined my party. Second, I do watch the games, and I watched them back in 1990 too. The "box stats" confirm what I see--Petrovic was better and more consistent than Rudy is, and no amount of unsupported blustering from you will change that fact.

 

[Wheels]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

This is a business and I'd want out of this situation asap.

He's not going to start in Portland. He will never start in Portland.

He took less money to play in the NBA and wont have the opportunity to get paid as long as he's a backup in Portland.

exactly.

 

[Nikolokolus]

the thing that bugs me about Rudy is that he seems to have the ball and works off others creating for him, then he just launches a shot. IMO, he should have the ball longer in his posession, he just looks like a one-trick pony because he is just chucking 3s. Not sure if that is Rudy's fault or the fault of the offense. He should be able to create more of his shots.

Watch him some time, he can't dribble into traffic and absolutely can't go left, that's a huge problem for a player in creating his own shot (Bayless suffers from the right hand dominance issue some himself).

Rudy is a catch and shoot shooting guard and that is what he should stick to until and unless he can improve his ballhandling in the off-season.

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Well we can obviously argue about who has been solid by opinion all day, but in the end, the only solid player on the Blazers is named Roy, and that will still be the only answer that is correct.

The stats tell a different story, at least in terms of the forward position sorted by PER

Link

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Well, aren't we arrogant today? First of all, I've been on the "deal Rudy" bandwagon since the offseason, so don't lump me in with those who just joined my party. Second, I do watch the games, and I watched them back in 1990 too. The "box stats" confirm what I see--Petrovic was better and more consistent than Rudy is, and no amount of unsupported blustering from you will change that fact.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/petrodr01/gamelog/1990/

Only 24 games of below 40% shooting out of 77 games in his rookie year ... that's pretty damn consistent if you ask me.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fernaru01/gamelog/2009/

Rudy on the other hand had 35 last year out of 78

 

[hasoos]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

The stats tell a different story, at least in terms of the forward position sorted by PER

Link

Stats don't tell this story. What player if removed from the team has a major impact on wins and losses? Roy. Which players are all replaceable and we can keep on winning as long as Roy is in the lineup: All of them.

Does your stats explain that? Thats what I thought.

 

[BGrantFan]

Dre Miller has been balling as well.

Link

 

[Buzz Killington]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Well, aren't we arrogant today? First of all, I've been on the "deal Rudy" bandwagon since the offseason, so don't lump me in with those who just joined my party. Second, I do watch the games, and I watched them back in 1990 too. The "box stats" confirm what I see--Petrovic was better and more consistent than Rudy is, and no amount of unsupported blustering from you will change that fact.

today?

 

[Minstrel]

IMO, he should have the ball longer in his posession, he just looks like a one-trick pony because he is just chucking 3s. Not sure if that is Rudy's fault or the fault of the offense. He should be able to create more of his shots.

He has two tricks: the spot-up shot and the stand-still alley-oop pass.

Rudy should definitely not have the ball in his hands more because he can't dribble in traffic. That's a requirement for a primary ball-handler or someone depended on to create for others. You cannot consistently initiate offense standing at the wing. You have to be able to drive into the defense, force the defense to react and then exploit the moving defense. Fernandez can't do that, therefore he can't be an initiator/distributor.

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

Stats don't tell this story. What player if removed from the team has a major impact on wins and losses? Roy. Which players are all replaceable and we can keep on winning as long as Roy is in the lineup: All of them.

Does your stats explain that? Thats what I thought.

Every stat I see tells me that LMA and (and to a slightly lesser degree) Miller have been solid. Both have elevated their PER in Roy's absence. I'm not sure what Roy has to do with LMA and Miller playing "solid" basketball in with Roy out injured.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: Rudy bolted to the locker room after Nate pulled him (hes pissed) ....

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/petrodr01/gamelog/1990/

Only 24 games of below 40% shooting out of 77 games in his rookie year ... that's pretty damn consistent if you ask me.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fernaru01/gamelog/2009/

Rudy on the other hand had 35 last year out of 78

Wait--what are you doing, using stats? That's just crazy! Don't you know that BK watches the games? How dare you contradict his assertions with hard evidence!!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I want the Rudy of last season back. If we can't have him, you have to wonder what his trade value is.

Right now it's too soon after his surgery to tell how much is physical. Yes, Rudy has limitations. But he was practically leading the league in steals before he had surgery and when he's on, there are few better energy guys. Have people forgotten the alley-oop layup followed by the steal and three to end a quarter against the Suns? And unlike Blake, he can actually create space for his threes, so he's not rendered completely powerless by a simple hand in the face.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

He has two tricks: the spot-up shot and the stand-still alley-oop pass.

Don't forget the bounce-pass-through-the-legs trick. He's also a very good post-feeder.

Rudy should definitely not have the ball in his hands more because he can't dribble in traffic.

Hmm. He should have the ball in his hands more if we ran more - he has very good court vision and looks to pass ahead more than most of our guards.

 

[e_blazer]

Man, if Rudy's "bolted" to the locker room, he must be really torqued.

 

[Buzz Killington]

He has two tricks: the spot-up shot and the stand-still alley-oop pass.

Rudy should definitely not have the ball in his hands more because he can't dribble in traffic. That's a requirement for a primary ball-handler or someone depended on to create for others. You cannot consistently initiate offense standing at the wing. You have to be able to drive into the defense, force the defense to react and then exploit the moving defense. Fernandez can't do that, therefore he can't be an initiator/distributor.

In the olympics, he seemed to have the ball in his hand more and was a bit more effective. I want more of that free-offense. But when every player on the blazers is isolating like that as they have been, its a bit crappy.

He basically plays more of a 3 than a 2.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dre Miller has been balling as well.

Link

But he doesn't play the way we want to play.

BNM

 

[Minstrel]

Hmm. He should have the ball in his hands more if we ran more - he has very good court vision and looks to pass ahead more than most of our guards.

I agree with that but, at least under McMillan, the team will never run enough for Fernandez to really show off his open-court abilities much.

It's a shame, because I think a lot of this roster would do well in an up-tempo game. A coach who preached getting stops in order to run would be ideal.

 

[LOTBfan]

Man, if Rudy's "bolted" to the locker room, he must be really torqued.

why does this kind of introspective analysis always "lag" behind the rest of the commentary? kp must have really put the screws to him to get him to loosen back up.

 

[Wheels]

I agree with that but, at least under McMillan, the team will never run enough for Fernandez to really show off his open-court abilities much.

It's a shame, because I think a lot of this roster would do well in an up-tempo game. A coach who preached getting stops in order to run would be ideal.

well said. Now who to take over is what I wanna know dammit!

 

[BrianFromWA]

why does this kind of introspective analysis always "lag" behind the rest of the commentary? kp must have really put the screws to him to get him to loosen back up.

I don't understand why it wasn't Allen who Wrenched him back to the bench. Maybe Rudy put a hex on him. You know, before he bolted. What a nut.

 

[SpanishFly]

Man, if Rudy's "bolted" to the locker room, he must be really torqued.

How can he have been so "torqued" when he played like total shit?