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[PtldPlatypus]

The biggest thing to come out of 5 v 5's was probably Frank Jackson. There's a few teams with late 1st's that need a PG so I'd expect him to keep his name in. Still has a lot of development to go to become a true lead guard, but he was clearly the most dynamic scorer on the floor today.

And as a result...

 

[Blazinaway]

Ike is intriguing as a defensive C to develop, only 18 with great length and NBA ready body. Be interesting to see what if any "skills" he has and how he works out, he might be interesting with the 20 pick depending on how the workout process goes

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hmmm

High motor
Defensive tenacity
Hard worker

6'7" vs 6'8"
7'1" wing vs 6'11.5" wing
8'9" reach vs 8"8.5" reach

That's Draymond Green vs Jordan Bell. Gotta get him

 

[Trackjack]

Ike or Giles would be good pickup at 20. I believe either on them could come in and backup Nurk. I am still leading to Giles right now due to he also move over to the 4. But for me to pick Giles he has to pass his physical by the doctors with flying colors. We don't need a repeat of Festus situation like last year. It might scare Olshey away even consider Giles.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'd much rather find 6'9" - 6'10" guys with freakish wing spans and fat asses to bang down low. The closer you get to 7' the more injuries seem prevalent.

 

[tester551]

I'd much rather find 6'9" - 6'10" guys with freakish wing spans and fat asses to bang down low. The closer you get to 7' the more injuries seem prevalent.

Caleb Swanigan
6'-8.5", 7'-0" wingspan, and the biggest fat ass in the draft. He is an excellent rebounder.

 

[Reep]

Caleb Swanigan
6'-8.5", 7'-0" wingspan, and the biggest fat ass in the draft. He is an excellent rebounder.

I thought the problem with him was that he doesn't play defense. I wouldn't mind taking a shot on him with the last pick though just to find out.

And FWIW, his wing was measured at 7'3.5", with a 9' standing reach. Not bad. I like that he has back to the basket skills and can hit the three.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Hmmm

High motor
Defensive tenacity
Hard worker

6'7" vs 6'8"
7'1" wing vs 6'11.5" wing
8'9" reach vs 8"8.5" reach

That's Draymond Green vs Jordan Bell. Gotta get him

I hadn't really thought about that. Of course Bell didn't have nearly as many assists and is not a three point shooter, but he did improve his FT shooting drastically in the last year. Was Bell in a more restrictive environment?
Here's some stuff about Draymond Green and how important attitude is.
Green fell victim to the standard talk-yourself-out-of-him evaluation that often happens to “low upside” upperclassmen, including here on DraftExpress: “Isn't quick or athletic … Too small to play power forward ... Too slow to defend small forwards.” There is always someone younger and more explosive to be had in the draft and while these players have theoretically superior “upside,” the bottom line is that you typically end up with a fringe rotation player at best, particularly outside of the lottery. With production being a crapshoot in this range, why not bank on the “upside” of a player with off-the-charts intangibles? -

Green's greatest measurable traits are both his “Dominance”, (88th percentile) and “Team Identity”, (91st percentile) ratings. These categories are defined as “being attentive to others, unpretentious, assertive, uninhibited, and group-oriented.” Out of over 900 players in the SA database, Green ranks fifth for being a “Rainmaker”, a quality of many overachievers who have the natural ability to connect with others, gain their trust, and align their goals with those of the team. “Rainmakers” are also defined by their “Internal Motivation”, (91st percentile) but Green didn't enter college with that mindset. -

After four collegiate seasons, Green's progression was undeniable. Per Synergy Sports Technology, after relying on pick-and-roll and cuts to score a bulk of his points as an underclassman, Green eventually flipped the script and saw his usage and production rise down on the block and behind the arc. Green's dramatic points per possession increase on isolation plays are unheard of for his position. Green came to school as a pudgy, undersized center and left as a ball handling, passing wizard and a 38% three-point shooter. As Jonathan Givony wrote in a 2011 scouting report, “there is not a more skilled and versatile power forward in the country, as Green can score, rebound, and pass the ball at an elite level on any given night.” Still, Green's lack of a true position, uninspiring athleticism, and average lateral quickness was a problem, which is why it was “tough to project him as an adequate NBA defender.” This helps describe why he wasn't a lottery pick, but it doesn't explain why he was only projected as a late-first or early-second round selection. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Draymond-Green-5859/ ©DraftExpress

 

[Pinwheel1]

Hmmm

High motor
Defensive tenacity
Hard worker

6'7" vs 6'8"
7'1" wing vs 6'11.5" wing
8'9" reach vs 8"8.5" reach

That's Draymond Green vs Jordan Bell. Gotta get him

Yeah but what separates Green from other forwards is his combination of solid handles, passing and 3 point range. (To go along with his great D)

Bell has the high motor and potential on D, but not the rest. I loved him as a Duck, but I still would scream in horror at him when he tried to lead a fast break.

 

[PDXFonz]

Neil was interviewed at the combine. Some good information here.

When asked if his gut tells him if we will not have 3 rookies coming into camp.

"No it doesn't really."

"We've been rebuilding based on Lillards timeline. It's whatever the best decision long term for the franchise is, if that's 3 rookies, it's 3 rookies. If that's an aggregation of picks to get an impact player, that's what it will be"

When asked about using the picks to get a veteran player

"We have the luxury of doing either"

"Had the youngest team last year, and youngest in playoffs last two years."

"We can be more patient, have a longer runway. Not a matter of urgency, all our players are on long term contracts or we control their rights, so we're building long term. The end game is to hopefully win a championship in Portland, if we can accelerate that process because we have 3 picks in a deep draft in which the picks are coveted, and we can get a player on a timeline from a team that's maybe going in another direction we'll absolutely push our chips in and do that, but if its about finding more stars to join our young guys with Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and they are out here, then that's what we will do"



http://www.nba.com/video/2017/05/11/20170511-nba-draft-combine-2

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Been saying for a while that I see only two rookies from the draft on our team next year if I am looking into my crystal ball. Pick moved for player, picks to move up for higher pick, or Euro stash are all possibilities.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

 

[BonesJones]

I agree we should not waste a 1st round pick on Bell, but to say he has no offensive skills whatsoever is a bit of an embellishment. The guy shot 66% from the field last year. Granted most were dunks but not all. He ha a good jump hook and a decent mid range jumper....but no 3 ball range.

Bell is the same height and has the same wing as Kenneth Faried and IMO can make it in the NBA if placed in the right situation. Playing for Terry Stotts does not seem like a good fit though. But I would definitely take a chance on him in the 2nd round....if we had one. But not with one of our firsts.

Chad Ford:
Rawle Alkins leads all scorers with 18 pts in opening game of Draft Combine. Jordan Bell was really good: 13 pts, 7 rebs, 5 blks, 5 ast

Nice statline against Non-NBA bigs.

 

[BonesJones]

Neil was interviewed at the combine. Some good information here.

When asked if his gut tells him if we will not have 3 rookies coming into camp.

"No it doesn't really."

"We've been rebuilding based on Lillards timeline. It's whatever the best decision long term for the franchise is, if that's 3 rookies, it's 3 rookies. If that's an aggregation of picks to get an impact player, that's what it will be"

When asked about using the picks to get a veteran player

"We have the luxury of doing either"

"Had the youngest team last year, and youngest in playoffs last two years."

"We can be more patient, have a longer runway. Not a matter of urgency, all our players are on long term contracts or we control their rights, so we're building long term. The end game is to hopefully win a championship in Portland, if we can accelerate that process because we have 3 picks in a deep draft in which the picks are coveted, and we can get a player on a timeline from a team that's maybe going in another direction we'll absolutely push our chips in and do that, but if its about finding more stars to join our young guys with Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and they are out here, then that's what we will do"



http://www.nba.com/video/2017/05/11/20170511-nba-draft-combine-2

I feel like Olsheys a bit off on his approach to the draft. Too much "timeline (career arc)" talk.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm worried that Olshey is gonna trade for an average veteran starter near 30.

If he's willing to give Evan Turner $17M a year, who knows what he'd be willing to trade for other middling vets.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Ike has a freak body BUT he still only averaged 4/4 in college... Vonleh has a somewhat similar body, was far more impressive in college and look what he is after three NBA seasons. Do we really have the time to go down that route? We need ready now guys.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Jonathan Givony

✔@DraftExpress
Jordan Bell's 2.56 shuttle run time is the fastest in NBA Combine history. Amazing for a big man. Full DX profile: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jordan-Bell-70316/ …

 

[KeepOnRollin]

If Bell could shoot from 17+ (3 for 20 on the season) then he would be a late lottery pick. He has that kind of talent otherwise.

 

[JDC]

I'm starting to come around on a Bell+Allen 2nd round if we end up trading down.

I know I've hated on Bell a lot, but he still has a stand out skill and outlier athleticism. Not many 2nd round prospects have that combo.

 

[BonesJones]

If Bell could shoot from 17+ (3 for 20 on the season) then he would be a late lottery pick. He has that kind of talent otherwise.

That's the biggest thing for me. He doesn't do much offensively and how well will his dit m defense translate?

Definitely the hardest player to peg in this draft.

 

[BonesJones]

Hamidou Diallo seens like such a Raptors pick at 23.

Frank Jackson will probably go between 20 and 25.

Someone unexpected is going to fall to 26. My guess right now is Terrance Ferguson.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If Bell could shoot from 17+ (3 for 20 on the season) then he would be a late lottery pick. He has that kind of talent otherwise.

I don't even remember him taking that many shots from that distance. I wonder how many were desperation shots. What were his stats in the 12-15 ft range?

 

[JDC]

Diallo, Mitchell and Patton are guys that have a chance to push Collins down the board.

For instance, I could see Charlotte going Patton and Detroit going for Mitchell, although I find it hard to see either Denver or Miami passing on him unless they think he can't play any 4.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I don't even remember him taking that many shots from that distance. I wonder how many were desperation shots. What were his stats in the 12-15 ft range?

I got the stat from his draft express profile. They show at least 4 threes he took (not late in the shot clock) plus 4 deep jumpers. So that leaves up to 12 shots they don't account for (with 3 of them makes) but I wouldn't say more then 3 (of course just a guess) would be desperation.

It would be nice to find a site that shows the 12-15 range stats though.

 

[BonesJones]

Diallo, Mitchell and Patton are guys that have a chance to push Collins down the board.

For instance, I could see Charlotte going Patton and Detroit going for Mitchell, although I find it hard to see either Denver or Miami passing on him unless they think he can't play any 4.

I don't see Detroit going for Mitchell. He's basically a smaller KCP.

 

[TBpup]

Not surprised since he and Dame are boyz.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

The good thing about Bell is you know you're getting a player who is going balls to the wall all game. That in itself is nice, especially when we have so many guys who just 'float' around.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

The good thing about Bell is you know you're getting a player who is going balls to the wall all game. That in itself is nice, especially when we have so many guys who just 'float' around.

Unless it is to box out to seal a win of course I kid, kind of.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

This belongs more here:

BGD bot failure strikes again!

 

[handiman]

The good thing about Bell is you know you're getting a player who is going balls to the wall all game. That in itself is nice, especially when we have so many guys who just 'float' around.

That thinking is why MKG was a lottery pick instead of a late 1st/early 2nd like his skill level indicated.