Merged: The Draft Thread For Stuff About The Draft Including Thoughts About The Draft

[JDC]

I don't see Detroit going for Mitchell. He's basically a smaller KCP.

Yeah that pick assumes that SVG views him as a PG, which some teams do based on Mitchell's comments on the feedback he's recieved. And even if they don't, Frank Jackson is an option for them as well.

While I'm here, add Giles to the list of he's cleared based on some reporting.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That thinking is why MKG was a lottery pick instead of a late 1st/early 2nd like his skill level indicated.

Like where Bell will go

 

[BonesJones]

Yeah that pick assumes that SVG views him as a PG, which some teams do based on Mitchell's comments on the feedback he's recieved. And even if they don't, Frank Jackson is an option for them as well.

While I'm here, add Giles to the list of he's cleared based on some reporting.

I could see Jackson being the guy that skyrockets and gets a promise from Detroit. At this point, I don't think Jackson falls past 18. I gauruntee Milwaukee will take him if he's there. They need a PGOFT, and he's perfect for them. Jackson could also go 14th or 16th to MIA or CHI.

In the end, I think Mitchell lands at 16 with Chicago.

 

[BonesJones]

That thinking is why MKG was a lottery pick instead of a late 1st/early 2nd like his skill level indicated.

Not only a lottery pick but 2nd overall!

That thinking was the reason why Thomas Robinson and MKG were top 5 picks in that draft over guys like Damian Lillard, Harrison Barnes, and Andre Drummond. Andre Drummond was described as a guy who floated around and didn't have much of a motor and look at him now.

Skill and measurables trumps extra effort.

 

[BonesJones]

Like where Bell will go

I think that any team drafting Bell in the 1st would be making a mistake. There's too many good prospects with skills and size that will be available even at 30. Motley is a perfect example of someone who is deserving to be picked at the end of the 1st. 6'9 with a 7'4 wingspan, offensive skills, and decent defense.

The only thing Bell has over him is his motor and defensive timing. Everything else favors Motley.

Rabb is another guy who I view as undersized and underskilled. Rabb should be a 2nd round pick as well. I have as much of a hate for small PFs with no skills as you do for WABCs. They don't translate well.

 

[BonesJones]

This belongs more here:

BGD bot failure strikes again!

Ew. Thornwell looked like absolute shit in the scrimmages.

It's interesting that the first 3 workouts we schedule are 3 guys with 2nd round talent.

 

[BonesJones]

Yay, a 1st round talent!

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think that any team drafting Bell in the 1st would be making a mistake. There's too many good prospects with skills and size that will be available even at 30. Motley is a perfect example of someone who is deserving to be picked at the end of the 1st. 6'9 with a 7'4 wingspan, offensive skills, and decent defense.

The only thing Bell has over him is his motor and defensive timing. Everything else favors Motley.

Rabb is another guy who I view as undersized and underskilled. Rabb should be a 2nd round pick as well. I have as much of a hate for small PFs with no skills as you do for WABCs. They don't translate well.

We'll have to disagree on what's most important in a late first or second round pick

 

[BonesJones]

We gave Zach Collins a computer and had him take a personality test. Lol.

 

[Trackjack]

I think Rabb maybe late 1st the other 2 are 2nd round picks right now. Ferguson I really don't know much of but late 1st properly my guess.

 

[Trackjack]

Bell will go 2nd round to someone I don't think he is 1st rounder.

 

[PDXFonz]

Bell will go 2nd round to someone I don't think he is 1st rounder.

I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take him late in the first.

Favors and Diaw will both be UFA's next off-season. Utah could look at getting Bell as a potential replacement for those two down the line. They will also be paying a lot to retain Hayward this year which I think is likely to happen, so the idea of drafting a potential starting PF on a rookie scale contract in this draft is likely for Utah.

Utah owns picks 24, 30, 42. and 55. Bell is likely to be gone by 42, so its entirely possible that they draft him with their 30th pick, maybe even their 24th depending on how he's viewed after pre-draft workouts. They, like Portland are looking at the possibility of packaging picks to move up in this draft and get 1 or 2 guys who they think can develop into big time performers.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Hmm this might change my mind. Yes I know no one is guarding him, but if he works at it for a year....

 

[Reep]

Andre Drummond was described as a guy who floated around and didn't have much of a motor and look at him now.

Skill and measurables trumps extra effort.

Andre Drummond is not a good example. He did float all the way up until the NBA. Each time he moved up a level in competition, he performed worse and never used his size. He dropped in the draft because of it. Should have been a top three pick. That drop lit a fire under him and he finally figured it out. I don't think most guys can turn it on and off like that.

 

[PDXFonz]

Fonz's best players in the draft Vol.1

PG:
Markelle Fultz
Dennis Smith Jr
De'Aaron Fox
Frank Ntilikina
Lonzo Ball

SG:
Terrance Ferguson
Malik Monk
Donovan Mitchell
PJ Dozier
Dwayne Bacon

SF:
Josh Jackson
Justin Jackson
Jayson Taytum
OG Anunoby
Semi Ojelay

PF:
Harry Giles (Talent wise, not taking into account medical history)
Jonathan Isaac
Ivan Rabb
Lauri Markannen
Isaiah Hartenstein

C:
Jarrett Allen
Ike Anigbogu
Justin Patton
Zach Collins
Jonathan Jeanne

Dark Horses (6th man)
PG- Kadeem Allen
SG- Sindarious Thornwell
SF- Rudions Kurucs
PF- Jordan Bell
C- Caleb Swanigan

Takeaway - This is a draft deep at the 1/2/3 position. It is significantly weaker at the 4/5.

 

[JDC]

Hmm this might change my mind. Yes I know no one is guarding him, but if he works at it for a year....

Yeah, not sure where "stroke has improved" is coming from. Still doesn't look fluid or natural to me. Doesn't mean he'll never be a shooter, but I don't think this video changes his stock at all. Almost any big with NBA talent can makes 3's in an open gym. Doesn't mean you want them shooting them in a live game.

 

[JDC]

Watching Day #2 scrimmages and Kadeem Allen's first 5 minutes were great. Got after it defensively, showed burst and shiftiness off the dribble and made the simple play with 4-5 crisp, and on-point passes.

I'll be very surprised if he doesn't get drafted. Valued skill set + translatable physical tools.

 

[ripcityboy]

Yeah, not sure where "stroke has improved" is coming from. Still doesn't look fluid or natural to me. Doesn't mean he'll never be a shooter, but I don't think this video changes his stock at all. Almost any big with NBA talent can makes 3's in an open gym. Doesn't mean you want them shooting them in a live game.

Jake Layman come on down!

 

[JDC]

Sindarius Thornwell is playing like a guy that has a guaranteed 1st round contract waiting for him rather than fighting for his nba life.

I know a lot of "Draft Twitter" likes this guy, but his approach this week would be huge red flag if I was an NBA front office person.

 

[PDXFonz]

Jordan Bells agility performance was very impressive. He's out there beating PG's

http://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-strength-agility/#!?sort=LANE_AGILITY_TIME&dir=-1

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Seeing where stocks are at now - I'm officially on the Jordan Bell bandwagon.

 

[Driew]

Seeing where stocks are at now - I'm officially on the Jordan Bell bandwagon.

Yeah I'm fine with using a first round pick on him.

 

[HailBlazers]

Jordan Bells agility performance was very impressive. He's out there beating PG's

http://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-strength-agility/#!?sort=LANE_AGILITY_TIME&dir=-1

Stretch small forward haha, key word being small, for a forward.

Seeing where stocks are at now - I'm officially on the Jordan Bell bandwagon.

Not swayed.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Jeanne is rising fast!

Now at #24 on DX's mock.

After workouts I wouldn't be surprised if he rises into the teens.

 

[ripcityboy]

Stretch small forward haha, key word being small, for a forward.



Not swayed.

Well. Get swayed.

 

[HailBlazers]

Well. Get swayed.

Hoping Bell does it, was my favorite player last year.

 

[ripcityboy]

Hoping Bell does it, was my favorite college player last year.

He gave the Ducks basketball, a face, a reputation for toughness. I think he will go down as one if the great college players.

 

[MickZagger]

Yet accurate.

Its just horrible logic. Trends are broken, players mature at different levels.

Its like saying stay away from players from Weber State before Lillard because they'll never be good, there's never been one. Stay away from players from Lehigh they suck, stay away from Bosnian players there's never been a good one in the NBA. Stay away from guys from Wisconsin-Green Bay, or Longwood college.....On and on. Its lazy gossip shit.

 

[MickZagger]

I'm all in for drafting Bell with one of our picks. Love that guy. The energy he brings. Fuck positions, that guys a basketball player. Honestly, he was the only player on this past years Ducks team that intrigues me as an NBA prospect.

 

[Reep]

Its like saying stay away from players from Weber State before Lillard because they'll never be good, there's never been one. Stay away from players from Lehigh they suck, stay away from Bosnian players there's never been a good one in the NBA. Stay away from guys from Wisconsin-Green Bay, or Longwood college.....On and on. Its lazy gossip shit.

You forgot to add Gonzaga to the AVOID list.