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[JDC]

So so production?

He was ACC POY.

If Crabbe was bigger and could dribble, pass, defend, and drive better, he'd be extremely valuable. That's Justin Jackson.

Crabbe was the Pac 12 POY his Junior year as well with a very similar shot distribution + %'s + FTA rate profile.

http://hoop-math.com/NorthCarolina2017.php
http://hoop-math.com/California2013.php

Crabbe actually had better physical tools for his position from a height/wingspan perspective too (unless you view Jackson as a 2 more than a 3) and was a more fluid athlete, especially moving side to side. Jackson is much stiffer in comparison, but has the decent edge in open court speed and one-foot jumping.

Strength is negligible. Both are weak one position defenders who offer little versatility although I think that could be a bigger issue for Jackson if his lack of lateral quicks forces him into primarily guarding the SF position. There's a lot more bulk around the league at that position. Probably doesn't matter much though since I don't think Jackson will ever be a guy tasked with guarding big and skilled wing scorers.

I also think you are overstating the handling/passing/driving edge Jackson has. I do think he plays with a little more feel but neither got to the rim or drew fouls much at all so I don't think the gap is considerable.

Do I think he can be a better player than AC?...sure. I think I trust Jackson's pedigree+intangibles+competitiveness a bit more, but even if he is better, it's hard for me to envision it being by that much.

 

[Trackjack]

Justin Jackson has great mid game and better handles than Crabbe when he came out. Matter fact he has better handles and mid game then Crabbe now. He shot 51 percent inside the 3 point last year and 37 percent from the 3.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I see a lot of Rip Hamilton in Justin Jackson. But JJ is bigger and could end up being better.

 

[AFully22]

I like Justin Jackson. Great size at the 3 and has a polished shot both outside and in the midrange. Need to add some strength to his frame and improve his playmaking ability but as a junior I think he's a lot closer to being able to contribute right away than others available around 15. Crabbe does have a longer reach but Jackson has better bounce, Crabbe can barely dunk...

I don't see the lack of lateral quickness and see a higher ceiling than a poor mans Matt Barnes. Also seems to have good character. I also really like that he would make trading Crabbe for cap space a lot easier. We could do a lot worse.

 

[Sarni]

Justin Jackson arguably has better upside than any small forwards we currently have, I'd be all for that if Anonuby is not available. If we can take OG, given his defence and athleticism, go for him and then maybe also take Jackson if he is still there at 20, and trade Harkless for a pick in 21-30 range to acquire two bigs.

Jackson is probably more ready to contribute now than OG is. He is already 22 and has experience, would not be surprised if he has similar impact in his first season as Brogdon has had in Milwaukee (that's optimistic but possible).

 

[Blazer4ever]

Lmao. You have no organized basketball experience but you think you understand basketball better than everyone here. Meanwhile there's people here that have played organized ball for years, probably a few that have played college ball (I have). But you're telling all these people that you understand basketball better than them, when you're basketball experience is "playground basketball", you judge prospects based off highlight tapes, and make judgements based off games that you don't watch?

Lmao. You're a very funny dude. Notice the absence of green font. This shit is comical.

You bring up experience in organized basketball like being obviously much more knowledgable, smarter and having better logic than your (for example) lets-draft-3-scrubs campaign isn't enough.

And I tried to get a diploma to become a basketball coach a while ago. A basketball tutor is maybe the more precise definition because to become a coach you need another course after that.
You know what happened? In one of the classes we were going to hit the floor and start practicing but there was this teacher/coach of us that went on and on trying to show us his superior basketball experience and I was feeling sick after watching a playoff game (the Bulls against someone) that night. When we *finally* went on the court to start dribbling he *again* called us up to continue talking. I took my basketball and kicked it to the ceiling of the gym. Raised one of these woods that make the ceiling.
Got kicked out of this course for doing that.
So no, no organized basketball experience for me

 

[BonesJones]

You bring up experience in organized basketball like being obviously much more knowledgable, smarter and having better logic than your (for example) lets-draft-3-scrubs campaign isn't enough.

And I tried to get a diploma to become a basketball coach a while ago. A basketball tutor is maybe the more precise definition because to become a coach you need another course after that.
You know what happened? In one of the classes we were going to hit the floor and start practicing but there was this teacher/coach of us that went on and on trying to show us his superior basketball experience and I was feeling sick after watching a playoff game (the Bulls against someone) that night. When we *finally* went on the court to start dribbling he *again* called us up to continue talking. I took my basketball and kicked it to the ceiling of the gym. Raised one of these woods that make the ceiling.
Got kicked out of this course for doing that.
So no, no organized basketball experience for me

Cool story bro.

 

[Pridan]

You bring up experience in organized basketball like being obviously much more knowledgable, smarter and having better logic than your (for example) lets-draft-3-scrubs campaign isn't enough.

And I tried to get a diploma to become a basketball coach a while ago. A basketball tutor is maybe the more precise definition because to become a coach you need another course after that.
You know what happened? In one of the classes we were going to hit the floor and start practicing but there was this teacher/coach of us that went on and on trying to show us his superior basketball experience and I was feeling sick after watching a playoff game (the Bulls against someone) that night. When we *finally* went on the court to start dribbling he *again* called us up to continue talking. I took my basketball and kicked it to the ceiling of the gym. Raised one of these woods that make the ceiling.
Got kicked out of this course for doing that.
So no, no organized basketball experience for me

WTH? Can we go back to discussing the draft and stop with the pissing contest?

 

[julius]

WTH? Can we go back to discussing the draft and stop with the pissing contest?

But the pissing contest is so funny to read.

 

[trailblazer18]

You bring up experience in organized basketball like being obviously much more knowledgable, smarter and having better logic than your (for example) lets-draft-3-scrubs campaign isn't enough.

And I tried to get a diploma to become a basketball coach a while ago. A basketball tutor is maybe the more precise definition because to become a coach you need another course after that.
You know what happened? In one of the classes we were going to hit the floor and start practicing but there was this teacher/coach of us that went on and on trying to show us his superior basketball experience and I was feeling sick after watching a playoff game (the Bulls against someone) that night. When we *finally* went on the court to start dribbling he *again* called us up to continue talking. I took my basketball and kicked it to the ceiling of the gym. Raised one of these woods that make the ceiling.
Got kicked out of this course for doing that.
So no, no organized basketball experience for me

This is fantastic troll level story telling! Very entertaining!

 

[trailblazer18]

Cool story bro.

Come on @BonesJones after that spectacular story, you know you don't need to justify anything in regards to who knows more about basketball. It's obvious @Blazer4ever is a basketball genius!!! Kicking the ball to the ceiling is Popovich level mind games.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Come on @BonesJones after that spectacular story, you know you don't need to justify anything in regards to who knows more about basketball. It's obvious @Blazer4ever is a basketball genius!!! Kicking the ball to the ceiling is Popovich level mind games.

I wanna see anyone here kicking a basketball to a ceiling this high, and I just volley kicked it, didn't let it bounce or anything

 

[trailblazer18]

I wanna see anyone here kicking a basketball to a ceiling this high, and I just volley kicked it, didn't let it bounce or anything

Best kicker on this board!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

This is the main reason I was interested in the criminally overlooked Edmond Sumner. 6'5" true PG who can defend. Biggest drawback is his lack of an outside shot (and the fact that he's recovering from an ACL tear). Still, I'd love him as our backup PG.

If I was him, I would have stayed in college another year and proved I had recovered from my injuries and could play an entire year without getting injured again. Apparently he also had a shoulder injury this year and the year before was also shut down for knee tendinitis.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You bring up experience in organized basketball like being obviously much more knowledgable, smarter and having better logic than your (for example) lets-draft-3-scrubs campaign isn't enough.

And I tried to get a diploma to become a basketball coach a while ago. A basketball tutor is maybe the more precise definition because to become a coach you need another course after that.
You know what happened? In one of the classes we were going to hit the floor and start practicing but there was this teacher/coach of us that went on and on trying to show us his superior basketball experience and I was feeling sick after watching a playoff game (the Bulls against someone) that night. When we *finally* went on the court to start dribbling he *again* called us up to continue talking. I took my basketball and kicked it to the ceiling of the gym. Raised one of these woods that make the ceiling.
Got kicked out of this course for doing that.
So no, no organized basketball experience for me

Ha. I've been a basketball coach at a high level. I don't like to drop that bomb on people often but here goes.

10 years ago my friend's kid was in a 5th grade YMCA league. They didn't have anyone to coach the leftover kids that got stuck on the team. The other coaches picked all the players.

First game, we got blown out. By the last game I'd taught them how to set a screen and pass the ball. WE ALMOST WON SON!!!!!!

The parents actually loved me and wanted me to coach more but we moved to Vegas.

But yeah, I was YMCA Popovich so if any of you dummies really want to know anything ask me.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Best kicker on this board!

He's the Draymond Green of S2!

BNM

 

[trailblazer18]

He's the Draymond Green of S2!

BNM

He kicked balls and broke the ceiling. Draymond aint got nothing on him! Recognize greatness!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Ha. I've been a basketball coach at a high level. I don't like to drop that bomb on people often but here goes.

10 years ago my friend's kid was in a 5th grade YMCA league. They didn't have anyone to coach the leftover kids that got stuck on the team. The other coaches picked all the players.

First game, we got blown out. By the last game I'd taught them how to set a screen and pass the ball. WE ALMOST WON SON!!!!!!

The parents actually loved me and wanted me to coach more but we moved to Vegas.

But yeah, I was YMCA Popovich so if any of you dummies really want to know anything ask me.

How can a 7-footer in the post shoot only fadeaways against players much shorter, lighter, and weaker than them?
#LaMarcia
#Biebalicious

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

How can a 7-footer in the post shoot only fadeaways against players much shorter, lighter, and weaker than them?
#LaMarcia
#Biebalicious

Millennials

 

[BonesJones]

What's your guys current pipedream:? Here's mine:

-Trade Harkless, Leonard, Turner, 15, 20, and a 2018 Future 1st to SAC for 10 and 34
-Draft Zach Collins
-Trade Davis/Aminu, 26, and a future 2nd to Indiana for 17. (They need a backup PF)
-Draft Justin Jackson
-Trade Davis/Aminu, Ezeli 34 to ATL for 31 (cap dump)
-At 31, draft J.Motley, D.White, T.Bryant, J.Bell, A.Pesecniks, I.Rabb or P.J.Dozier.

Going into free agency: ($20M in cap space):
Lillard / Napier
McCollum / Crabbe
Jackson / ?
Vonleh / Bell
Nurkic / Collins

-Trade with Boston for Jae Crowder after they sign Hayward. Give them Vonleh, the right to swap 2019 1sts and a 2020 1st
-Retain $17M in cap space:
-Pursue guys like James Johnson (2 years, $17M per year *T.O.* for 3rd year), Zach Randolph (MLE ~ $5M per year), and Thabo Sefelosha (BAE ~ $3M)
Lillard (35) / McCollum (13) / Napier
McCollum (22) / Crabbe (26) / ?
Crowder (30) / Sefelosha (15) / Jackson (3)
Johnson (28) / Randolph (20) / Bell
Nurkic (34) / Collins (14) / ?

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Mediocre Man]

What's your guys current pipedream:? Here's mine:

-Trade Harkless, Leonard, Turner, 15, 20, and a 2018 Future 1st to SAC for 10 and 34
-Draft Zach Collins
-Trade Davis/Aminu, 26, and a future 2nd to Indiana for 17. (They need a backup PF)
-Draft Justin Jackson
-Trade Davis/Aminu, Ezeli 34 to ATL for 31 (cap dump)
-At 31, draft J.Motley, D.White, T.Bryant, J.Bell, A.Pesecniks, I.Rabb or P.J.Dozier.

Going into free agency: ($20M in cap space):
Lillard / Napier
McCollum / Crabbe
Jackson / ?
Vonleh / Bell
Nurkic / Collins

-Trade with Boston for Jae Crowder after they sign Hayward. Give them Vonleh, the right to swap 2019 1sts and a 2020 1st
-Retain $17M in cap space:
-Pursue guys like James Johnson (2 years, $17M per year *T.O.* for 3rd year), Zach Randolph (MLE ~ $5M per year), and Thabo Sefelosha (BAE ~ $3M)
Lillard (35) / McCollum (13) / Napier
McCollum (22) / Crabbe (26) / ?
Crowder (30) / Sefelosha (15) / Jackson (3)
Johnson (28) / Randolph (20) / Bell
Nurkic (34) / Collins (14) / ?

So Turner, Harkless, Fabio, 15, 20 and next years first for Zach Collins?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Jackson/Anigbogu/Giles would be pretty tough to complain about.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

No need to trade the pick....

Previous #15s

Ricky Rubio (2017 pick: Portland Trail Blazers)
Top three picks: Steve Nash, Kawhi Leonard, Giannis Antetokounmpo

 

[BonesJones]

So Turner, Harkless, Fabio, 15, 20 and next years first for Zach Collins?

E.T., Moe, MyLe, 15, 20 and next years 1st for Collins, Bell, and some of the cap space to sign Johnson and Randolph. You wouldn't do that?

 

[MickZagger]

I find it highly unlikely that we keep all 3 picks. There will be some consolidation for a higher pick or package a pick or two with a player for an upgrade.

Oh, and Dennis Smith will be the best PG from this draft. Mark that down.

 

[JDC]

E.T., Moe, MyLe, 15, 20 and next years 1st for Collins, Bell, and some of the cap space to sign Johnson and Randolph. You wouldn't do that?

I don't think it's a slam dunk, that's for sure. And it sounds like James Johnson is willing to take a discount to stay with the heat.

Regardless, your plan is too complicated/convoluted to even be worth discussing really. I think parts of it makes sense but I don't think I've seen a string of transactions like that since I've been following the league.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't think it's a slam dunk, that's for sure. And it sounds like James Johnson is willing to take a discount to stay with the heat.

Regardless, your plan is too complicated/convoluted to even be worth discussing really. I think parts of it makes sense but I don't think I've seen a string of transactions like that since I've been following the league.

That's why I called it a pipedream.

I feel like we could trade up to 3 though by following 2 steps:

3-way trade (Apx. a couple days before draft)
SAC Gets: 8, 15, 20, 26, Harkless, (for 5, 10, 34)
NYK Gets: 10, Napier, Ezeli
POR Gets: 5, 34, O'Quinn, Lee

SAC moves down from 5 & 10 to 8 & 15 to land 20, 26 and Harkless.
NYK moves down from 8 to 10 to get rid of Lee (saving $11M). Swaps O'Quinn for a needed PG as Well.

We move up to 5.

Trade Up (Right before draft)
Trade 5, 34, Future 2nd, *Crabbe* to PHI for 3 and 50.
I think PHI wants Smith or Monk, so they might trade down a couple spots. (*This could be done without Crabbe if they don't value him*)

Take Jayson Tatum 3rd

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Lee
Tatum / Turner
Vonleh / Aminu / Davis
Nurkic / O'Quinn

? - We could trade a future 1st or two for Crowder if possible.

Do you think there's a chance of this working? If not, why not? I feel like it makes logical sense for everyone.

 

[BonesJones]

I find it highly unlikely that we keep all 3 picks. There will be some consolidation for a higher pick or package a pick or two with a player for an upgrade.

Oh, and Dennis Smith will be the best PG from this draft. Mark that down.

Should we trade everything for the 8th pick even though he'll go top 7?

 

[JDC]

That's why I called it a pipedream.

I feel like we could trade up to 3 though by following 2 steps:

3-way trade (Apx. a couple days before draft)
SAC Gets: 8, 15, Harkless, (for 5 & 34)
NYK Gets: 10, 34, Napier, Ezeli, Leonard
POR Gets: 5, O'Quinn, Noah

SAC moves down from 5 to 8 to land the 15th pick and Harkless. Would have 8th, 10th, and 15th
NYK moves down from 8 to 10 to get rid of Noah (saving $8M by taking back Leonard). Swaps O'Quinn for a needed PG as well.
We move up to 5

Trade Up (Right before draft)
Trade 5, 26, Crabbe to PHI for 3 and 50.
I think PHI wants Smith or Monk, so they might trade down a couple spots. (This could be done without Crabbe if they don't value him)

Take Jayson Tatum 3rd

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Turner
Tatum / ?
Vonleh / Aminu
Nurkic / O'Quinn

? - We could move the 20th and a future pick for Crowder if possible.

Do you think there's a chance of this working? If not, why not? I feel like it makes logical sense for everyone.

Yeah there's 0% chance of this happening.

First off, no one is trading out of the top 10 before the draft even happens. That's an unnecessary risk for a team to take. And second, I think you are underestimating how hard it will be to get into the top 6-7 in this draft. There is a steep drop off in value (whether it's real or perceived) at that stage of this draft.