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Problem is the teams who are sitting high in the draft are also teams who need young talent to build their future. Only Boston could do without and if they had no. 3 instead of no. 1, they could be trading that for a player but it still would not be with us.

Lakers need that player. 76ers need a player. Suns need a young playmaker. Sacramento are in full rebuild mode and need to get players as talented as possible. Orlando finally need to add someone good but due to how inept they've been in the market, they could actually make that no. 6 available. Minnesota need a playmaker or a forward, especially after Dunn has failed to impress so far. New York will take Smith, or Ntilikina if Smith is not on the table. Mavericks will want that young player too. MAYBE you could trade for Sacramento no. 10 if they don't particularly fancy anyone there, for no. 15 and additions. Then from 11 downwards I think all picks are available. Charlotte, Detroit, Miami and especially Denver will all happily trade down if they get good value. 15 plus one of 20/26 would comfortably get us any of these picks IMO.
 
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JDC said:
Yeah there's 0% chance of this happening.

First off, no one is trading out of the top 10 before the draft even happens. That's an unnecessary risk for a team to take. And second, I think you are underestimating how hard it will be to get into the top 6-7 in this draft. There is a steep drop off in value (whether it's real or perceived) at that stage of this draft.
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I fucked up the picks anyway. I changed it.

Would SAC swap 5, 10 & 34 to get 8, 15, 20, 26, and Harkless?
Would NYK swap 8 for 10 to get rid of Lee's contract?
 
I think I've fully fleshed my thoughts on Jordan Bell's defensive strengths and weaknesses.

+ Outlier twitch/feel/timing as a weakside shotblocker
+ Quick feet / hands, crafty post defender (poke aways, strip blocks)
+ Quick explosive leaper allows him to blocks shots most can't get to

- Inconsistent motor: will make the spectacular athletic play but takes plays off.
- Lacks feel/experience guarding pnr. Often caught in no man's land.
- Stiff hips + lack of ranginess makes him a shaky switch big despite raw athleticism. Easy to turn, struggles to change direction.
- Hunts blks/stls, wants to make plays but gives up position too often. Bites on shot fakes, not always a disciplined defender.
 
Call it a gut feeling or whatever but I think Olshey will try to trade up. He's always been aggressive during the draft even when he didn't have much ammo. An example would be when he wanted to move up for porzingis. This year he actually has some ammo but I have no idea how far up it'd get him or who he'd target. I don't think he'd trade up a couple spots. He would try and go as far up as possible. If I had to guess; Jonathan Isaac somewhere in the 5-8 range.
 
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Scalma said:
Call it a gut feeling or whatever but I think Olshey will try to trade up. He's always been aggressive during the draft even when he didn't have much ammo. An example would be when he wanted to move up for porzingis. This year he actually has some ammo but I have no idea how far up it'd get him or who he'd target. If I had to guess; Jonathan Isaac.
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I feel that. SAC at 10 is what I'd be looking at.

Wish we could trade up for Tatum though. We'd need to get up to 5. 15, 20, 26, and a future 1st for 5 and 34 is what I'd offer.

If we could get to 5, we could strike a confident deal if they want Smith. They'd take Tatum 3, and we'd take Smith at 5. Then we'd trade and give them 34 plus a future 2nd.

If PHX took Smith 4th, we'd land Josh Jackson.

I wish we had 10, 19, and 23. Ugh.
 
BonesJones said:
I fucked up the picks anyway. I changed it.

Would SAC swap 5, 10 & 34 to get 8, 15, 20, 26, and Harkless?
Would NYK swap 8 for 10 to get rid of Lee's contract?
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No. At 5 and 10 you get two potential stars. They don't need Harkless.
 
When 33 year old JJ Redick is set to land $18-20m per, I'd be looking hard at how high a package of 15, 20/26, and Crabbe would get us. Orlando at 6, Minny at 7, and New York at 8 could all be interested in that kind of package.
 
Scalma said:
When 33 year old JJ Redick is set to land $18-20m per, I'd be looking hard at how high a package of 15, 20/26, and Crabbe would get us. Orlando at 6, Minny at 7, and New York at 8 could all be interested in that kind of package.
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How bout this?
POR Gets: 8, Noah,
NYK Gets: 15, 26, Crabbe, Harkless, Napier
You open with 15, 26, AC, Bazz and Moe for 8. If they reject, you offer to take Noah's contract. I think that might get it done.

Then you could try to package 8 and 20 for 5.
 
BonesJones said:
I feel that. SAC at 10 is what I'd be looking at.

Wish we could trade up for Tatum though. We'd need to get up to 5. 15, 20, 26, and a future 1st for 5 and 34 is what I'd offer.

If we could get to 5, we could strike a confident deal if they want Smith. They'd take Tatum 3, and we'd take Smith at 5. Then we'd trade and give them 34 plus a future 2nd.

If PHX took Smith 4th, we'd land Josh Jackson.

I wish we had 10, 19, and 23. Ugh.
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Ok but what kind of talent is there at 10 that wouldn't be there at 15? I personally don't see too big of a drop in value from 10 to 15. If we're going to move up, we might as well go big.
 
BonesJones said:
How bout this?
POR Gets: 8, Noah,
NYK Gets: 15, 26, Crabbe, Harkless, Napier
You open with 15, 26, AC, Bazz and Moe for 8. If they reject, you offer to take Noah's contract. I think that might get it done.

Then you could try to package 8 and 20 for 5.
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Noah is literally the worst contract in the league. That'd be a hard pass from me.
 
Scalma said:
Noah is literally the worst contract in the league. That'd be a hard pass from me.
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Well our cap is already fucked so we might as well take it to move up.

If they want to move it that bad then maybe we would have to package AC, Moe as well as just 15, or just 20 and 26.

8 and 15 or 8, 20, and 26 is a very powerful position. Wed have a chance of getting to 5.
 
Scalma said:
Ok but what kind of talent is there at 10 that wouldn't be there at 15? I personally don't see too big of a drop in value from 10 to 15. If we're going to move up, we might as well go big.
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Collins/Isaac
 
Scalma said:
When 33 year old JJ Redick is set to land $18-20m per, I'd be looking hard at how high a package of 15, 20/26, and Crabbe would get us. Orlando at 6, Minny at 7, and New York at 8 could all be interested in that kind of package.
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Maybe New York, at a push, but what can you get with their pick? Fultz, Ball and Jackson will all 100% be gone by then. 95% chance that Tatum, Fox and Isaac are also gone. Small chance that Dennis Smith is available but even then we don't really need him. Lauri Markkanen should be available but I am not even sure he is all that amazing.

Minnesota will want to draft Ntilikina or Smith. Orlando are dumb idiots so they might actually go for it, even if it makes no sense. I would not be surprised if they took Aminu alone for no. 6, that's how inept they've been, plus they must be completely disillusioned with the idea of draft when the return of their top 10 picks over the last 5 years has been Oladipo (traded for Ibaka who was traded for Ross + no. 23), Gordon (not very good, especially for a no. 4), Mario Hezonja (has shown nothing for a no.5 pick) and Payton (not good, acquired for the rights to Saric who is much better).
 
Some predictions- don't quote me if I'm wrong.

Harry Giles will go in the lottery.

Zach Collins will go top 10

Ferguson will be a blazer.
 
JDC said:
I think I've fully fleshed my thoughts on Jordan Bell's defensive strengths and weaknesses.

+ Outlier twitch/feel/timing as a weakside shotblocker
+ Quick feet / hands, crafty post defender (poke aways, strip blocks)
+ Quick explosive leaper allows him to blocks shots most can't get to

- Inconsistent motor: will make the spectacular athletic play but takes plays off.
- Lacks feel/experience guarding pnr. Often caught in no man's land.
- Stiff hips + lack of ranginess makes him a shaky switch big despite raw athleticism. Easy to turn, struggles to change direction.
- Hunts blks/stls, wants to make plays but gives up position too often. Bites on shot fakes, not always a disciplined defender.
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That sounds like Draymond in college.
 
Been looking at Sacramento forum and they all think it's very likely that they trade no. 10 with us for #20, #26 and a future 1st. I think it's also something Olshey would do. If Markkanen is available at 10, we would take him and then whichever of Jackson and Anonuby is still available at 15. If Markkanen is not there, we probably take Zach Collins. Sacramento won't do that if Isaac falls to 10 but it's unlikely that he does.

I would like that I must say.
 
POR Gets: 8, 45, Noah, O'Quinn
NYK Gets: 15, 26, Crabbe, Harkless
POR Drafts J. Isaac 8th
Trade Aminu, 45 to ORL for 33
Draft J. Bell

POR Gets: Crowder
BOS Gets: J. Butler
CHI Gets: 2018 BKN 1st, 20, 2018 POR 1st, M. Smart, M. Leonard, Ezeli

Lillard (36) / Turner (12) / Napier
McCollum (36) / Turner (12) / Pat
Crowder (30) / Isaac (18) / Jake
Vonleh (18) / Davis (22) / OQuinn (8) / Bell
Nurkic (34) / O'Quinn (14) / Noah
 
Sarni said:
Been looking at Sacramento forum and they all think it's very likely that they trade no. 10 with us for #20, #26 and a future 1st. I think it's also something Olshey would do. If Markkanen is available at 10, we would take him and then whichever of Jackson and Anonuby is still available at 15. If Markkanen is not there, we probably take Zach Collins. Sacramento won't do that if Isaac falls to 10 but it's unlikely that he does.

I would like that I must say.
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I'd trade 20 and 26 for zach Collins for sure, but I'm not a Markkanen fan at all please god no.
 
BonesJones said:
POR Gets: 8, 45, Noah, O'Quinn
NYK Gets: 15, 26, Crabbe, Harkless
POR Drafts J. Isaac 8th
Trade Aminu, 45 to ORL for 33
Draft J. Bell

POR Gets: Crowder
BOS Gets: J. Butler
CHI Gets: 2018 BKN 1st, 20, 2018 POR 1st, M. Smart, M. Leonard, Ezeli

Lillard (36) / Turner (12) / Napier
McCollum (36) / Turner (12) / Pat
Crowder (30) / Isaac (18) / Jake
Vonleh (18) / Davis (22) / OQuinn (8) / Bell
Nurkic (34) / O'Quinn (14) / Noah
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Malik Monk will drop to 8th. Isaac won't be available.
 
Mediocre Man said:
If we trade up to 10 to pick Zach Collins, sly may as well suspend me on draft night
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, and do recognize the longstanding and robust trend of white american center busts, but trying to set that aside for a moment, can you recognize some of the skills and physical attributes ZCollins brings? He is one of the few I have seen who seems to play good defense, rebounds, blocks shots, has a post game, and can hit the jumper. I'm not sure there is another center in the draft that can do that this year as well. Zach has a taller standing reach than Anigbogu and Allen and appears much more skilled than either.

My biggest fear with ZCollins is that he only played limited minutes. But in those minutes he had:
DRTG: 79.4!!!!!!!!!
ORTG: 125.1!!!!!

Per 30 (my more realistic derivative of per 40)
17.4 pts
10.1 reb
3.1 block!!!!!
1.1 steals
4.7 fouls (maybe why he didn't see so many minutes)

Is there anything aside from the white american center thing that concerns you about him?

I'm kind of warming to an Anigbogu, Jackson, Bell draft, and think ZCollins won't be reachable for Portland. But, I could see him being an excellent backup center or starting power forward at some point.
 
DRTG: 79.4!!!!!!!!!
ORTG: 125.1!!!!!

Damn.....that is insane! Limited sample size to be sure but certainly made the most of the opportunities he had in terms of a positive effect on both ends.
 
But for total honesty, it is interesting to compare ZCollins to Olynyk as they seem quite similar in some ways.

My biggest fear with ZCollins is that he only played limited minutes. But in those minutes he had:
DRTG: 79.4!!!!!!!!! (Oly 89.9)
ORTG: 125.1!!!!! (Oly 127.1)

Per 30 (my more realistic derivative of per 40)
17.4 pts (Oly 20.2)
10.1 reb (Oly 8.3)
3.1 block!!!!! (Oly 1.3)
1.1 steals (Oly 0.7)
4.7 fouls (maybe why he didn't see so many minutes)

Standing Reach: ZC 9'3" Oly 9'0"
Wing ZC7'1" Oly 6'10"

And the Olynyk numbers were after his Junior year (2 years older)
 
TBpup said:
DRTG: 79.4!!!!!!!!!
ORTG: 125.1!!!!!

Damn.....that is insane! Limited sample size to be sure but certainly made the most of the opportunities he had in terms of a positive effect on both ends.
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True, but before we get too excited look at Olynyk's numbers in the same system as a Junior.
 
Blazinaway said:
add me to the suspension list, just not worth it IMO
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Okay, same question to you then. Who in this draft do you see who is as good a defender, has at least a moderate post game and can has a jump shot?

I assume you agree we need help in holding or backing up the C and PF positions.
 
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