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Pinwheel1 said:
I can't help keep going back to this 6'10 225 freshman PF. He will fill the stat sheet playing next to Nurk.

"strongest attributes are his high basketball I.Q. and his motor ... He has also proven to be a clutch player who doesn't get phased by a big moment or crowd ... moves well without the ball allowing him to get high quality shots ... He’s also an excellent and willing passer for his size ... Rarely does he force the issue, and he is almost always under control ... He plays with consistent effort and regularly makes hustle plays, particularly on the offensive glass ... is a terrific rebounder, which has a lot to do with how relentlessly he pursues the ball on both ends of the court ... his size, versatility, feel for the game, and motor make him a prospect with a high floor ...

Weaknesses: The biggest area of concern at this point is he is his lack of strength ... He needs to add leg and core strength to better absorb contact and maintain balance ... The good news is that he is only 19 years old and that there’s plenty of time for his frame to fill out."

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tj-leaf
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I was scanning several of the mock drafts for their post lottery updates. Several have us taking Leaf at 20, and one or two even have us taking him at 15 (which seems like a big reach to me).

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I was scanning several of the mock drafts for their post lottery updates. Several have us taking Leaf at 20, and one or two even have us taking him at 15 (which seems like a big reach to me).

BNM
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15 is a big reach, he should still be there at 20. I like him too from the mixtapes. I think at 15 we will get a proper big talent like Anunoby, Z. Collins or Patton. The later two picks will be more speculative so Leaf fits the bill.

OG is dropping to 19 in some mocks. That's very close to our second pick. If Collins dropped to 15 and OG dropped to 20, I would probably to mental at this point. Then top it with Leaf, Patton (almost impossible but some mocks have him in 21-30 range) or Hartenstein and you got yourself perfect draft.

I am all on OG Anunoby bandwagon now. Boy looks athletic, looks like he can develop his shot to a respectable level and will be a very good defender.

When our three 2017 draft acquisitions are knocking it down in 2020 NBA Finals I am going to quote this post.
 
Seen some mocks with Milwaukee taking Diallo. Surely if they reach for him at 17, and he turns out to be properly good, they should be banned from future drafts? I mean, they got Giannis, Brogdon and Maker already with not so high picks (in Brogdon's case it was deep into poor draft!).
 
The player I want is Dennis Smith fron NC State, currently ranked #8 to the Knicks according to draftexpress.

 
Blazer4ever said:
The player I want is Dennis Smith fron NC State, currently ranked #8 to the Knicks according to draftexpress.

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Good player. We have no need for him and no way to get him as he doesn't fall to 15 and is not worth trading up for because of his position. Players worth trading up for are Isaac and Markkanen IMO (not even sure about the latter though) because they fit in instantly.
 
Sarni said:
Seen some mocks with Milwaukee taking Diallo. Surely if they reach for him at 17, and he turns out to be properly good, they should be banned from future drafts? I mean, they got Giannis, Brogdon and Maker already with not so high picks (in Brogdon's case it was deep into poor draft!).
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Don't forget Middleton.

Think about that--a Brogdon/Diallo/Middleton/Giannis/Maker starting 5 could be scary good.
 
Sarni said:
Good player. We have no need for him and no way to get him as he doesn't fall to 15 and is not worth trading up for because of his position. Players worth trading up for are Isaac and Markkanen IMO (not even sure about the latter though) because they fit in instantly.
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I disagree. He reminds me very much of Russell Westbrook, you don't discount a player like this to pick according to need.
Also I think it is a need. We need the 3rd combo guard to create the monster Dame/CJ/Smith backcourt.
Can you imagine if we had a 3rd player on their level and could play with 2 such players not just for 20-24 MPG but for the entire game?!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Don't forget Middleton.

Think about that--a Brogdon/Diallo/Middleton/Giannis/Maker starting 5 could be scary good.
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They did not draft Middleton though, they traded for him with Brad Jennings (also got Brandon Knight who they traded for Carter Williams, Ennis and Plumlee - probably still regretting that they did not just take Lakers pick instead).

I think Parker still starts for them when fit.
 
Sinobas said:
I'm one of the first ones on the board that pointed out Zach Collins, now everyone is on the bandwagon.
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and I am leaving the train for any scenario where we trade up for him, if he's there at 15 ok, if not then no Zachy and I am fine with that
 
Blazer4ever said:
I disagree. He reminds me very much of Russell Westbrook, you don't discount a player like this to pick according to need.
Also I think it is a need. We need the 3rd combo guard to create the monster Dame/CJ/Smith backcourt.
Can you imagine if we had a 3rd player on their level and could play with 2 such players not just for 20-24 MPG but for the entire game?!
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Still, we don't have the ability to select him. I also reckon it would be hard for him to develop here given the inevitably reduced playing time, and not sure he fits next to Dame.
 
Sarni said:
They did not draft Middleton though, they traded for him with Brad Jennings (also got Brandon Knight who they traded for Carter Williams, Ennis and Plumlee - probably still regretting that they did not just take Lakers pick instead).

I think Parker still starts for them when fit.
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True. Still, identification of talent is identification of talent, and they seem to be doing it as well as anyone over the past few years (the seemingly mediocre Jabari Parker notwithstanding).
 
Sinobas said:
I'm one of the first ones on the board that pointed out Zach Collins, now everyone is on the bandwagon.
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Everyone thought he'd stay, so no one was talking about him.
 
Blazer4ever said:
I disagree. He reminds me very much of Russell Westbrook, you don't discount a player like this to pick according to need.
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You don't pass over a great talent for need, but that's different from trading up to take a player who's not a need.

I'd say a third combo guard is a luxury, not a need. The team has far more pressing weaknesses to spend its resources on, even assuming they had the resources to trade up for him (without including Lillard/McCollum/Nurkic, obviously).
 
Minstrel said:
You don't pass over a great talent for need, but that's different from trading up to take a player who's not a need.

I'd say a third combo guard is a luxury, not a need. The team has far more pressing weaknesses to spend its resources on, even assuming they had the resources to trade up for him (without including Lillard/McCollum/Nurkic, obviously).
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When we play just one of Dame or CJ (most of the game) we have a negative +/- ratio. Didn't check it but I have no doubt about it.
It's not a luxury, it's maybe our biggest need
 
Blazer4ever said:
I disagree. He reminds me very much of Russell Westbrook, you don't discount a player like this to pick according to need.
Also I think it is a need. We need the 3rd combo guard to create the monster Dame/CJ/Smith backcourt.
Can you imagine if we had a 3rd player on their level and could play with 2 such players not just for 20-24 MPG but for the entire game?!
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If he was bigger and could defend, then yes, because he could play next to Lillard.

He's more undersized than McCollum, so having him and Lillard in at the same time would be a defensive nightmare.
 
Blazer4ever said:
When we play just one of Dame or CJ (most of the game) we have a negative +/- ratio. Didn't check it but I have no doubt about it.
It's not a luxury, it's maybe our biggest need
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How is yet another guard our biggest need? Seriously?

Our backup C is Meyers Leonard
Our starting PF is Noah Vonleh
Our starting SF is Moe Harkless
Our two Gs off the bench make $36M combined
And our biggest need is another PG? Haha.

But as you said, you know best sensei.
 
BonesJones said:
If he was bigger and could defend, then yes, because he could play next to Lillard.

He's more undersized than McCollum, so having him and Lillard in at the same time would be a defensive nightmare.
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This is the main reason I was interested in the criminally overlooked Edmond Sumner. 6'5" true PG who can defend. Biggest drawback is his lack of an outside shot (and the fact that he's recovering from an ACL tear). Still, I'd love him as our backup PG.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
This is the main reason I was interested in the criminally overlooked Edmond Sumner. 6'5" true PG who can defend. Biggest drawback is his lack of an outside shot (and the fact that he's recovering from an ACL tear). Still, I'd love him as our backup PG.
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Same with PJ Dozier and Derrick White. Frank Ntilikina could probably play 3 positions due to length.
 
BonesJones said:
How is yet another guard our biggest need? Seriously?

Our backup C is Meyers Leonard
Our starting PF is Noah Vonleh
Our starting SF is Moe Harkless
Our two Gs off the bench make $36M combined
And our biggest need is another PG? Haha.

But as you said, you know best sensei.
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I know enough to know that Crabbe and Turner are small forwards or at least more effective as SFs and I know that when Dame or CJ are on the bench we look like shit.
You want us to use 3 picks to bring 3 backups that may or may not be better than even the players listed above or package the picks to bring a real difference maker?
 
BonesJones said:
If he was bigger and could defend, then yes, because he could play next to Lillard.

He's more undersized than McCollum, so having him and Lillard in at the same time would be a defensive nightmare.
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He's more undersized than McCollum? Did you watch his highlights?
And do you not think that our best lineup is with both Dame and CJ?
 
Blazer4ever said:
I know enough to know that Crabbe and Turner are small forwards or at least more effective as SFs. Leonard is a PF and I know that when Dame or CJ are on the bench we look like shit.
You want us to use 3 picks to bring 3 backups that may or may not be better than even the players listed above or package the picks to bring a real difference maker?
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They're completely different players with below average length for a SF, so how are they SFs? You don't have to be able to shoot AND dribble AND pass to be a "SG".

Leonard is a C. He's 7'1, slow, can only guard Cs... He's a C.

Even with Smith we'll still be worse when one or two of those guys are out. Obviously.

Usually, we have Leonard and Aminu in at the same time. That's a big reason.

I want us to use 3 picks to take 3 chance on getting a really good player, and probably ending up with a starter or 2, than I want to take a risk on another G who we don't need who's had an ACL injury before.
 
BonesJones said:
They're completely different players with below average length for a SF, so how are they SFs? You don't have to be able to shoot AND dribble AND pass to be a "SG".

Leonard is a C. He's 7'1, slow, can only guard Cs... He's a C.

Even with Smith we'll still be worse when one or two of those guys are out. Obviously.

Usually, we have Leonard and Aminu in at the same time. That's a big reason.

I want us to use 3 picks to take 3 chance on getting a really good player, and probably ending up with a starter or 2, than I want to take a risk on another G who we don't need who's had an ACL injury before.
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Who says he's had an ACL injury?
 
Blazer4ever said:
He's more undersized than McCollum? Did you watch his highlights?
And do you not think that our best lineup is with both Dame and CJ?
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Again, OF COURSE OUR BEST LINEUP IS WITH DAME AND CJ.

FFS, is a rookie going to make it so our best lineup isn't with Dame and CJ?

And highlights tell you the players height, wingspan, and standing reach?

Is your love for him based solely off highlights? I've watched full games of his and stretches of other games. Have you?
 
BonesJones said:
HAH!

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbna...is-smith-jr-recruiting-duke-kentucky-nc-state

Smh.

But you know more than everyone here!!!
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Look. I didn't really talk to you. You decided to respond to my post, I can do without your comments if you're looking to pick up a fight with me.
If he's had an ACL injury fine, didn't know that, but he sure looks healthy to me.
Also I didn't say I know everything, I said I understand basketball better than everybody which is not very far fetched.
If you disagree with me, that's OK. I can even be wrong sometimes (rarely) but if you're looking to call me out, that's not really what I'm looking for
 
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