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It going depends how good our scouting team is with potential players. Plus what potential players going show up when they come in with there workouts. I just wish Olshey would get these workout started.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
2016:
#15 - Juan Hernangomez
#20 - Caris LeVert
#26 - Furkan Korkmaz

2015:
#15 - Kelly Oubre
#20 - Delon Wright
#26 - Nikola Milutinov

2014:
#15 - Adreian Payne
#20 - Bruno Caboclo
#26 - PJ Hairston

2013:
#15 - Giannis Antetokounmpo
#20 - Tony Snell
#26 - Andre Roberson

2012:
#15 - Maurice Harkless
#20 - Evan Fournier
#26 - Miles Plumlee

2011:
#15 - Kawhi Leonard
#20 - Donatas Motiejunas
#26 - Jordan Hamilton

2010:
#15 - Larry Sanders
#20 - James Anderson
#26 - Quincy Pondexter

2009:
#15 - Austin Daye
#20 -Eric Maynor
#26 - Taj Gibson

2008:
#15 - Robin Lopez
#20 - Alexis Ajinca
#26 - George Hill

2007:
#15 - Rodney Stuckey
#20 - Jason Smith
#26 - Aaron Brooks

The past 10 drafts shows there have been plenty of starters picked (and even a couple superstars). So it's not out of realm of possibility to hit big.
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Oh there you go again with alternative facts. Our picks suck duh! haha
 
PtldPlatypus said:
My preferences, of course depending on availability.
15: Jackson, Anunoby, Ferguson
20: Giles, Anigbogu, Patton
26: Ojeleye, Swanigan, Adebayo
2nd rd: Sumner, Motley, Bryant
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A list like this is pretty useless in this draft. The predictions I've seen are so inconsistent, and there are so many talented players at 1 through 40, that all three of the guys you like for our first pick could be available to us each time we pick--or none of them could be.
 
Nbadraft.net updated their mock draft today and unless i'm blind they left Hamidou Diallo off the list completely. ???

Did he pull out?
 
Binx said:
A list like this is pretty useless in this draft. The predictions I've seen are so inconsistent, and there are so many talented players at 1 through 40, that all three of the guys you like for our first pick could be available to us each time we pick--or none of them could be.
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True, but my list was based on projections of when players are likely to be available, so there is at least some basis for the list as compiled. Of course it can be updated as player values evolve approaching the draft.
 
Man, Jordan Bell makes so many mistakes defensively. In some games there's fewer glaring ones, but he still has a lot of work to do to become a reliable defender on a play by play basis in the NBA.

And I don't care what his agility numbers are. He struggles to change direction and doesn't cover much ground with his strides. Basically the opposite of the switch/pnr big defender prototype, Tristan Thompson. He's quick and nimble in certain situations, but the lack of ranginess+fluid hips is worrying to me, Especially when you add that he's a pretty low IQ pnr defender at this point (I don't think he's been coached well here).

Is he enough of a freak athlete to make for that? He better be, because if he's not, the length isn't there to bail him out if he's beat in space situations.

I have been impressed with his passing on the move though which makes me hopeful that he'll be an option in short roll situations. Problem is, I'm not sure how good of a finisher he'll be on non-dunks. We saw what GS did to Plumlee, and I think you'll be able to employ the same strategy w/Bell on the floor if he becomes a rotation player on a playoff team.
 
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Man, Jordan Bell makes so many mistakes defensively. In some games there's fewer glaring ones, but he still has a lot of work to do to become a reliable defender on a play by play basis in the NBA.

And I don't care what his agility numbers are. He struggles to change directing and doesn't cover much ground with his strides. Basically the opposite of the the switch / pnr big defender prototype, Tristan Thompson. He's quick and nimble in certain situations, but the lack of ranginess+fluid hips is worrying to me, Especially when you add that he's a pretty low IQ pnr defender at this point (I don't think he's been coached well here).

Is he enough of a freak athlete to make for that? He better be, because if he's not, the length isn't there to bail him out if he's beat in space situations.

I have been impressed with his passing on the move though which makes me hopeful that he'll be an option in short roll situations. Problem is, I'm not sure on how good of a finisher he'll be on non-dunks. We saw what GS did to Plumlee, and I think you'll be able to employ the same strategy w/Bell on the floor if he ever because a rotation player on a playoff team.
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I rend to agree with you. I wached a game vs UCLA last night to focus on Bell. He was ok, but didn't stand out to me. On the other hand Ike did stand out.
I'll need to watch a couple more games to see if that was an anomaly
 
JDC said:
Man, Jordan Bell makes so many mistakes defensively. In some games there's fewer glaring ones, but he still has a lot of work to do to become a reliable defender on a play by play basis in the NBA.

And I don't care what his agility numbers are. He struggles to change direction and doesn't cover much ground with his strides. Basically the opposite of the switch/pnr big defender prototype, Tristan Thompson. He's quick and nimble in certain situations, but the lack of ranginess+fluid hips is worrying to me, Especially when you add that he's a pretty low IQ pnr defender at this point (I don't think he's been coached well here).

Is he enough of a freak athlete to make for that? He better be, because if he's not, the length isn't there to bail him out if he's beat in space situations.

I have been impressed with his passing on the move though which makes me hopeful that he'll be an option in short roll situations. Problem is, I'm not sure how good of a finisher he'll be on non-dunks. We saw what GS did to Plumlee, and I think you'll be able to employ the same strategy w/Bell on the floor if he becomes a rotation player on a playoff team.
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But... But... Blocks...
 
Wednesday deadline passed, any surprise withdrawals?

Thomas Welsh
Hamidou Diallo

I didn't realize that Grayson Allen had already decided to return to Duke. Forgot about him.
 
Diallo, Grayson and Welsh out of the Draft.

Bolden currently 40's to undrafted in most Mocks but one person I spoke to thinks he goes early 2nd round.
 
I continue watching Dennis Smith jr highlights. Still not sure how good a player he is or would become.
He's not Russel Westbrook, a bit shorter and not as explosive but he is a solid player. He does get his teammates involved, I don't think I was right saying he hogs the ball and he does score well in a variety of ways.
He was really the main offensive player on that team (two other players worth mentioning are Maverick Rowen and Abdul Malik Abu) and they won no more than half the games I watched him so the question I think is how good he can be on a team where he's not "the man".
Here are his highlights from one of his team's biggest wins, against Duke

 
Blazer4ever said:
I continue watching Dennis Smith jr highlights. Still not sure how good a player he is or would become.
He's not Russel Westbrook, a bit shorter and not as explosive but he is a solid player. He does get his teammates involved, I don't think I was right saying he hogs the ball and he does score well in a variety of ways.
He was really the main offensive player on that team (two other players worth mentioning are Maverick Rowen and Abdul Malik Abu) and they won no more than half the games I watched him so the question I think is how good he can be on a team where he's not "the man".
Here are his highlights from one of his team's biggest wins, against Duke

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He's going to be gone at #15, #20, and #26. So why reach for a 3rd guard, to put on a guaranteed contract, that won't play consistent mins to develop? :dunno:
 
Diallo is a bit of a surprise. Maybe he thought he wasn't ready, but I bet his camp just wasn't hearing enough first round talk.

Welsch is a guy I always thought would play 4 years. He's a big, smart, low mistake center who I think moves pretty well for his size. Think it's going to be hard for him to find his way onto a roster though with fewer teams rostering multiple straight 5's that aren't starting level guys.
 
OT: anyone recall any other top 2 player who wouldn't work out for the #1 overall team? Ball will not work out for Celtics, or any other team besides the Lakers.
 
dviss1 said:
He's going to be gone at #15, #20, and #26. So why reach for a 3rd guard, to put on a guaranteed contract, that won't play consistent mins to develop? :dunno:
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if I go for a 3rd guard I like either Donovan Mitchell, or Frank Jackson as a later pick
 
Blazinaway said:
if I go for a 3rd guard I like either Donovan Mitchell, or Frank Jackson as a later pick
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It kind of makes sense to take a guard with 20 or 26 if that's the best/close to the best player available. To trade all our 3 picks plus maybe more, which it would take to move us into position to draft Dennis Smith (he won't go lower than 8th and could even be top 6 ahead of Monk and Isaac) it would be monumentally irresponsible and against any logic.

I'd trade up for Tatum, Isaac or Collins. I wouldn't for any of the guard or Markkanen.
 
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UKRAINEFAN said:
This is kind of entertaining: https://theringer.com/nba-draft-casual-fan-guide-2017-josh-jackson-deaaron-fox-f89ef73bd37c
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Actually a lot of good stuff in there:

I get the feeling that Collins would be a lock for the top 10 if this draft were taking place in 1997 instead of 2017. Yet the NBA has collectively deemphasized throwback big men who can own the low block, making someone with a ton of post moves in his arsenal less valuable than he once may have been. Collins has limited range, isn’t a great defender, and fouls way too much. He’d ideally be an inch or two taller than his listed 6-foot-10, and he has a one-track mind (“get buckets”) on offense. Throw all of this into a pot, sprinkle in the fact he’s really been on the scouting radar for only one season (he wasn’t even a top-100 recruit in the 2015 class and his freshman year at Wake Forest was unspectacular) and that season consisted of his team finishing 19–14 and losing in the First Four, and it starts to make sense why Collins will be lucky to go in the lottery.

I still say he’s worth a roll of the dice. I mean, the dude averaged 19.2 points and 9.8 rebounds in the ACC while playing only 26.6 minutes per game. What else needs to be said? Collins is a great athlete, has a motor that doesn’t stop, and is on the right side of 20 years old. And even though the league has become perimeter- and 3-point-oriented in recent years, who’s to say that philosophy will stick around for the next decade or more? If every team goes small and begins chasing 3-point records like the Rockets and Warriors, won’t having a reliable and unguardable big man start becoming an advantage? I know Collins isn’t going to light the league on fire, so I’m not saying I’d build a team around him or anything. But if I’m picking in the no. 10 to no. 15 range and the top nine guys (Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, Monk, Jonathan Isaac, Dennis Smith Jr., and Lauri Markkanen) are already off the board, I’m probably grabbing Collins and calling it a day.
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Zach Collins, Gonzaga
The first McDonald’s All American to ever commit to Gonzaga directly out of high school came off the bench for the Zags and averaged just 17.3 minutes per game for the season. Think about that for a second. That is truly unbelievable, even by the standards of this Cavaliers-Cubs-Trump era in which we live. A 7-foot All American went to a tiny private school in the middle of nowhere Washington and averaged 17 minutes per game despite being billed as a potential lottery pick every step of the way! And the entire situation actually made sense! Hooray for college sports!


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Zach Collins (AP Images)
Because Gonzaga head coach Mark Few gave Collins such limited playing time, it’s impossible to know how good he really is. Truth be told, most of those who are high on Collins’s draft stock feel the way they do solely because of his performance against South Carolina (14 points, 13 rebounds, and six blocks in 23 minutes) in the Final Four. Every other game Collins participated in during the 2016–17 campaign had the same “he would be so good if he played more” vibe, including Gonzaga’s national championship loss to North Carolina, in which Collins’s foul trouble swung the outcome in favor of the Tar Heels. Collins’s incredible promise far outweighs his college production, making him the very definition of an NBA draft gamble.

If you’re asking me, though, that game against South Carolina on college basketball’s biggest stage added to countless other moments throughout Gonzaga’s season to prove that Collins is basically Jian Yang from Silicon Valley — so great in the tiny doses we’ve seen that it’s clear he just needs more time to show off his eight different ways to make Chinese octopus.
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Reep said:
Actually a lot of good stuff in there:
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I got mixed up with the first and second quotes. First one is about John Collins, not Zach.. took me a little time to realize that because I skimmed through lol.

I don't like John Collins at all. His bread-and-butter is a turn and face floater out of the post. He shoots that shot above college defenders. In the NBA however, that shot won't be available at all. PFs will be bigger than him (Collins is an underzied 6'9.5 in shoes with only a 6'11 wingspan), and he won't be able to get a turn and shoot-in-your-face floater off.

I don't think he's athleticism makes up for his below-average length. While he was dunking on some dudes in college, they were much smaller and less athletic than NBA bigs. I don't think Collins will be able to just dunk on centers, and his finishing package around the rim isn't elite. I think he'll struggle in the NBA because he'll have to adjust and contort layups to shoot around bigs, and he doesn't have that skillset.

His offense won't translate. He has the skills of a C, and is undersized for a PF. This is the same reason why I don't like Rabb. Call it the Thomas Robinson effect, the Anthony Bennett effect, or whatever you want to. Undersized PFs don't succeed unless they have a repertoire of skills, and neither of those dudes do.

Defensively, he'll be very bad. His technique is poor, he's not strong in the low post, and he's undersized. He probably doesn't have the footspeed to stay in front of NBA 4s either. His feel for the game isn't great either.

There's nothing good about John Collins as a prospect. I gauruntee that Jonah Bolden will be a better NBA player. However, John Collins could easily get draft 13th or 14th, with teams looking at his ACC resume and thinking that it will somehow transfer to the pros.
 
In my mock draft from a couple weeks ago, I had D.J. Wilson going 23rd (while DX had him projected in the 30s) and Ivan Rabb going 31st (while DX had him projected in the early 20s).

Well, DXs mocks are trending that way. They have D.J. Wilson above Rabb now, with Wilson projected to go 27th and Rabb projected to go 28th.
 
I will throw one argument against trading for PG13...

Curry > Lillard
Thompson > McCollum
Durant > George
Green = Nutkic.... Maybe
 
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