Merged: TIme to work the Trade Machine! [Possible Chris Paul trades]

[Idog1976]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

If we're taking Posey too, then we sub Cunningham for Batum.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28wdlas

NO is still getting huge cap relief as well as 3 good young prospects, and like you said we can throw in euros, picks, cash too.

Paul / Johnson / Mills / Williams
Roy / Matthews / Williams
Batum / Babbitt / Posey
Aldridge / Pendy
Oden / Okafur

(and then I woke up)

We need to offer the MAX possible. We're NOT in some incredible bargaining position you have to give to get. Otherwise the Knicks will outbid us and we'll fuck up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

 

[noknobs]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

We need to offer the MAX possible. We're NOT in some incredible bargaining position you have to give to get. Otherwise the Knicks will outbid us and we'll fuck up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

All you have to do is outbid everyone else, you don't have to offer the MAX possible. Last I checked we're not the ones under fire here, we actually are in a great bargaining position. I freely admit it would probably take more though.

 

[Idog1976]

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All you have to do is outbid everyone else, you don't have to offer the MAX possible. Last I checked we're not the ones under fire here, we actually are in a great bargaining position. I freely admit it would probably take more though.

You offer mine as the final trump card. Start low sure, and pray NOH comes back at you with escalating bids from NYK rather then just taking one. However, you HAVE to go big or go home IMO.

 

[maxiep]

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I think agreeing to add Posey would seal the deal. They could use West to get more young talent and then move Peja's expiring deal to get an impact player with a long contract.

 

[maxiep]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

The rule in these kinds of trades seems to be the team that acquires the best player wins. Everyone below our big three are replaceable. If your base is Roy, Paul, Aldridge, Oden, even Miami is worried.

 

[Minstrel]

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The rule in these kinds of trades seems to be the team that acquires the best player wins.

Truth.

Everyone below our big three are replaceable.

Even Aldridge is replaceable, though I'd love to keep him and, fortunately, it's possible that Portland can since it's unlikely New Orleans would want him at his salary.

If your base is Roy, Paul, Aldridge, Oden, even Miami is worried.

Truth.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

What about this deal?


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=267c3yj

If Toronto sends out their Bosh TPE to NO, I think it works.....Although I am not 100% sure.

Portland would also give a 1st and 3 mil. to NO, and Toronto would give a 1st to NO.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

What about this deal?


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=267c3yj

If Toronto sends out their Bosh TPE to NO, I think it works.....Although I am not 100% sure.

Portland would also give a 1st and 3 mil. to NO, and Toronto would give a 1st to NO.

Geez, that's absolutely terrible for New Orleans.

 

[Masbee]

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I think agreeing to add Posey would seal the deal. They could use West to get more young talent and then move Peja's expiring deal to get an impact player with a long contract.

Ok, but I don't understand why NO would want to send out Posey with 2 more years and because the salaries of Paul, Okafor and Posey are so huge, we would be forced to include Camby, who has....

2 more years.

I just don't see why NO would have any interest in Camby. They might as well keep Posey, who is a lower yearly amount, right?

 

[Idog1976]

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Ok, but I don't understand why NO would want to send out Posey with 2 more years and because the salaries of Paul, Okafor and Posey are so huge, we would be forced to include Camby, who has....

2 more years.

I just don't see why NO would have any interest in Camby. They might as well keep Posey, who is a lower yearly amount, right?

Bigger relief when he expires by almost double then Posey that's why. Also he is immediately useful as they lack a true center. That's my take anyways.

 

[Idog1976]

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Bigger relief when he expires by almost double then Posey that's why. Also he is immediately useful as they lack a true center. That's my take anyways.

Really it's JPEC or Miller for Posey and Camby for Okafor and Camby expires two years sooner then Okafor. That's another way to look at it. Again he is a useful player immediately making them a viable team.

So they get JPEC immediate or half-season relief, Miller relief next year and Camby relief after next season. All while letting them down gently and giving them a viable team.

 

[Mediocre Man]

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Geez, that's absolutely terrible for New Orleans.

2 1sts, 14.5 million in free money this year and another 3 mill from Portland, 2 expiring contracts and Batum? Sounds pretty decent for an owner trying to save money. It totally acomplishes that, and gets them a nice young player as well.

 

[B-Roy]

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2 1sts, 14.5 million in free money this year and another 3 mill from Portland, 2 expiring contracts and Batum? Sounds pretty decent for an owner trying to save money. It totally acomplishes that, and gets them a nice young player as well.

Wouldn't they rather just do the straight up deal? Or, wouldn't Portland rather just do the straight up deal?

Batum
Rudy
Bayless
Joel
Andre
Jeff or Dante
Elliot or Babbit
3 Mil

For

Paul
Okafor

Not only do the Hornets get more, but Portland keeps Aldridge as well. (I'm not implying the Hornets would agree to either deal)

I'm not sure you can use the TPE either.

Your deal would save them $6Million more this year, but with significantly less assets.

 

[Idog1976]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

2 1sts, 14.5 million in free money this year and another 3 mill from Portland, 2 expiring contracts and Batum? Sounds pretty decent for an owner trying to save money. It totally acomplishes that, and gets them a nice young player as well.

We'd be outbid in a minute by NYK or even Orlando/Dallas.

 

[RR7]

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We'd be outbid in a minute by NYK or even Orlando/Dallas.

With what? NY has no 1st to offer. Orlando no young talent or expirings, and Dallas the same.

 

[Idog1976]

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With what? NY has no 1st to offer. Orlando no young talent or expirings, and Dallas the same.

Uh, the talent level of Azubukie, Randolph, Chandler and Gallinari trumps ours in that tepid trade offer? You're probably right about Orlando, but Dallas has some intriguing packages as well.

 

[Jayps15]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

What about this deal?


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=267c3yj

If Toronto sends out their Bosh TPE to NO, I think it works.....Although I am not 100% sure.

Portland would also give a 1st and 3 mil. to NO, and Toronto would give a 1st to NO.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2332krp

This deal has the exact same players going to the exact same places but actually works under the CBA by Toronto using it's TPE to acquire our players, then the Hornets could recieve a totally new TPE by having the Okafor part of the trade as a non-simultaneous trade. That scenario would make your proposed trade work and net the Hornets an 11ish mil trade exception.

 

[shamelessblazer]

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why not keep it simple?

Oden/Bayless/Miller for Paul.

They add no long term salary (especially if they decide not to re-sign Oden) and do you honestly see them getting a better offer of young talent and short term? Perhaps New Jersey with Harris and Favors they'd prefer more, but Monty knows all three of those guys too, and I think they're likely still a playoff team with that lineup.

Miller/Collison
Thornton/Bayless
Peja
West
Oden/Okafor

/\ not a terrible lineup at all.

We'd be left with:

Paul/Johnson
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Mathews
Aldridge/Cunningham
Camby/Pryzbilla

with Rudy playing backup 1/2, Mathews 2/3, Cunningham 3/4, and Pryz the 5. Depth may be a concern but I bet we could grab some other vet to fill out the roster.

I just feel that Oden AND Batum is pretty unreasonable when you consider what we're up against.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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OK, I don't think the Hornets would necessarily do this deal, especially since LMA is due so much money for so long, but it's another take

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2b2gbx8

 

[B-Roy]

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OK, I don't think the Hornets would necessarily do this deal, especially since LMA is due so much money for so long, but it's another take

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2b2gbx8

Wouldn't your trade put them over the lux tax?

 

[Idog1976]

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2332krp

This deal has the exact same players going to the exact same places but actually works under the CBA by Toronto using it's TPE to acquire our players, then the Hornets could recieve a totally new TPE by having the Okafor part of the trade as a non-simultaneous trade. That scenario would make your proposed trade work and net the Hornets an 11ish mil trade exception.

That's an intriguing angle as well. Nice work and repped for creativity.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

Wouldn't your trade put them over the lux tax?

What's the tax line exactly? It'd be damn close.

 

[Idog1976]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

why not keep it simple?

Oden/Bayless/Miller for Paul.

They add no long term salary (especially if they decide not to re-sign Oden) and do you honestly see them getting a better offer of young talent and short term? Perhaps New Jersey with Harris and Favors they'd prefer more, but Monty knows all three of those guys too, and I think they're likely still a playoff team with that lineup.

Miller/Collison
Thornton/Bayless
Peja
West
Oden/Okafor

/\ not a terrible lineup at all.

We'd be left with:

Paul/Johnson
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Mathews
Aldridge/Cunningham
Camby/Pryzbilla

with Rudy playing backup 1/2, Mathews 2/3, Cunningham 3/4, and Pryz the 5. Depth may be a concern but I bet we could grab some other vet to fill out the roster.

I just feel that Oden AND Batum is pretty unreasonable when you consider what we're up against.

If by this you meant we are overpaying I absolutely agree. I don't understand people who are throwing Oden's name out like he's a throw in. His value is inestimable vs Miami and LAL i.e. the two teams we have to beat in the next 3 to 5 years.

 

[B-Roy]

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What's the tax line exactly? It'd be damn close.

They are at 69.26 right now. Lux tax is 70.4. Your trade has them adding $3 Million in salary.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: TIme to work the Trade Machine!

why not keep it simple?

Oden/Bayless/Miller for Paul.

They add no long term salary (especially if they decide not to re-sign Oden) and do you honestly see them getting a better offer of young talent and short term? Perhaps New Jersey with Harris and Favors they'd prefer more, but Monty knows all three of those guys too, and I think they're likely still a playoff team with that lineup.

Miller/Collison
Thornton/Bayless
Peja
West
Oden/Okafor

/\ not a terrible lineup at all.

We'd be left with:

Paul/Johnson
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Mathews
Aldridge/Cunningham
Camby/Pryzbilla

with Rudy playing backup 1/2, Mathews 2/3, Cunningham 3/4, and Pryz the 5. Depth may be a concern but I bet we could grab some other vet to fill out the roster.

I just feel that Oden AND Batum is pretty unreasonable when you consider what we're up against.

Because the Hornets would INSIST you take bad contracts back with Paul.

 

[Jayps15]

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That's an intriguing angle as well. Nice work and repped for creativity.

Not really my idea, and I don't know if I even think NO would want that deal, was just trying to make MM's trade idea viable under the rules.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29vrt79

 

[Idog1976]

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29vrt79

Link didn't work?

EDIT: it did now but NOH would hang up the phone and call in FEMA to cut the phone lines again like the did during Katrina if you offered that trade.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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Link didn't work?

EDIT: it did now but NOH would hang up the phone and call in FEMA to cut the phone lines again like the did during Katrina if you offered that trade.

I just fucked around lol it was literally my first time ever using a trade machine.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=235ffes