Merged: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

[RickyRubio]

Re: If we get Hedo next season, we'll win it all.

Turkoglu is a choker.

Yeah like how he choked against us on that last second shot.
And how he choked last night blocking Kobes potential game winning shot.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Re: If we get Hedo next season, we'll win it all.

Damnit!!!1

Well as stated before in the 10795205 other Hedo threads...

He is a capable Point Forward.
He can play 1, 3 or 4.
He can shoot.
He is not a ball hog.
He is smart.
He can pass.
He is a vet with leadership that we need.
He has been to the Finals! lol
He gives us a huge upgrade at the starting 3 spot.
By him starting, that makes our bench that much stronger.
He is tall. Our starting lineup would be gigantic.
He is a match-up problem for opposing teams.
He has proven to be clutch.

There is some for now. Your move!

He's not as good as you think he is, but I agree he's a good player and would be a good 6th man- better than what we have now.

 

[RickyRubio]

Re: If we get Hedo next season, we'll win it all.

He's not as good as you think he is, but I agree he's a good player and would be a good 6th man- better than what we have now.

That is your argument?

<--- WIN!

 

[Stevenson]

Hedo is the answer!

Does anyone else see that Hedo is the answer? He starts at SF, he can handle the point like Brandon (or for that matter, kinda like Pip used to), he's clutch city, he has a deadly three, he spreads the defenses for Greg and LaMarcus, and he takes the scoring load off everyone.

Boston, and Chicago before that, proved that you can win a championship without an all-star PG if you surround him with studs. And I like Blakey, he's very solid.

Can we get Hedo, can we afford him, would he leave? Those answers I do not know.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: Hedo is the answer!

The guy is going to get a max deal, or close to.

We have two guys who are going to get max deal in LMA and Roy. If Oden lives up to half the hype, he'll get a max deal as well. Can we have four max deals?

Hedo would vault us into the elite, I agree. But he could be too expensive.

Btw, Hedo is the type of player I hope Rudy can develop into. They have a similar skill set. Well, we really don't get to see Rudy's ability to make plays because Nate turned him into James Jones, but the skills are there!

 

[THE HCP]

Re: Hedo is the answer!

Not enough shots for him.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Re: Hedo is the answer!

The guy is going to get a max deal, or close to.

We have two guys who are going to get max deal in LMA and Roy. If Oden lives up to half the hype, he'll get a max deal as well. Can we have four max deals?

Hedo would vault us into the elite, I agree. But he could be too expensive.

Btw, Hedo is the type of player I hope Rudy can develop into. They have a similar skill set. Well, we really don't get to see Rudy's ability to make plays because Nate turned him into James Jones, but the skills are there!

Wow, you really go all out when it comes to hoping don't you? Rudy never showed he could even get past his defender.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: Hedo is the answer!

The guy is going to get a max deal, or close to.

We have two guys who are going to get max deal in LMA and Roy. If Oden lives up to half the hype, he'll get a max deal as well. Can we have four max deals?

Hedo would vault us into the elite, I agree. But he could be too expensive.

Btw, Hedo is the type of player I hope Rudy can develop into. They have a similar skill set. Well, we really don't get to see Rudy's ability to make plays because Nate turned him into James Jones, but the skills are there!

Even if he has the skills, he'll never have the size, which gives Hedo such a huge advantage.

 

[RoyToy]

Pass on Hedo.

Not very athletic, not an efficient scorer, aging

Not worth it.

 

[Da_O]

He's a great 3rd option to put next to Roy and Aldridge. He can handle the ball and I've seen him even run some pick and roll with Dwight Howard. This is exactly the type of player we need.

 

[cloudydays]

No thanks to Hedo. Who is going to guard the perimeter scorers? Gotta keep Roy fresh for offense, and Hedo isn't very good at D.

 

[illmatic99]

Hedo isn't very good at D.

Did you watch the game yesterday?

 

[cloudydays]

Did you watch the game yesterday?

I watched Kobe blow by him, then force up a very difficult shot with 4 Magic players around him.

 

[illmatic99]

One play? And that too one in which Hedo blocked Kobe's shot? Not a very convincing argument against Hedo. You're severely underrating his defensive capabilities. He's been the best defender against Bryant in the finals, and continues to show that he's not the liability that many predicted. The man can flat out play on both ends of the floor and has the playoff experience that we both sorely lack and desire. He also has had the experience of playing with a center similar to Oden, and has shown throughout his and Howard's tenure in Orlando, the ability to get his big man the ball.

I think he'd be a perfect fit here.

The only questions would be the potential logjam at the SF position and his contract demands.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

One play? And that too one in which Hedo blocked Kobe's shot? Not a very convincing argument against Hedo. You're severely underrating his defensive capabilities. He's been the best defender against Bryant in the finals, and continues to show that he's not the liability that many predicted. The man can flat out play on both ends of the floor and has the playoff experience that we both sorely lack and desire. He also has had the experience of playing with a center similar to Oden, and has shown throughout his and Howard's tenure in Orlando, the ability to get his big man the ball.

I think he'd be a perfect fit here.

The only questions would be the potential logjam at the SF position and his contract demands.

Start Batum, Roy, Turkoglu, Aldridge, Oden

Problem solved? I don't know if that would work, but it would be awesome.

Huge lineup with 2 guys who are known for having good point guard skills, and Batum who is an (at least) above average defender on PGs, SGs, and SFs.

6'6" 6'8" 6'10" 6'11" 7'

It's late, I'm tired and it's just a thought I wanted to throw out there.

 

[tlongII]

Turkoglu is slow, a below average passer, and not a clutch player. No thanks.

 

[B-Roy]

Turkoglu is slow, a below average passer, and not a clutch player. No thanks.

I'm convinced you haven't watched him at all.

 

[BalancedMan]

I'm convinced you haven't watched him at all.

Agreed. He's an excellent passer, a good creator especially for his size (creates mismatches) and has been clutch since he played a major roll with the Kings during his first couple (including rookie) years. My only main concern is his age, but I think that he still has some good years left in the tank (though in 4-5 years, I don't know what he'll be).

I too am enamored with the giant lineup mentioned above. The length will get to a lot of tipped passes and gives me nostalgia of when Pippen started at PG for us.

 

[tlongII]

You guys need to watch more basketball. Seriously.

Hedo is a career sub-43% FG shooter and has a Assists to TO ratio of 1.64. Not exactly stellar. He has also never won a championship despite playing with very talented teams in Sacramento, San Antonio, and now Orlando. I find it baffling that some here think he's a good passer when he can't get the ball into D-12 consistently despite being 6-10! Maybe you guys fell in love with him after he made that prayer of a 3 pointer against us? I don't know...

 

[Mediocre Man]

You guys need to watch more basketball. Seriously.

Hedo is a career sub-43% FG shooter and has a Assists to TO ratio of 1.64. Not exactly stellar. He has also never won a championship despite playing with very talented teams in Sacramento, San Antonio, and now Orlando. I find it baffling that some here think he's a good passer when he can't get the ball into D-12 consistently despite being 6-10! Maybe you guys fell in love with him after he made that prayer of a 3 pointer against us? I don't know...

Maybe it's the fact that every single analyst that covers his games says he is one of the best passing forwards in the game?

As for the championships, that's a lame argument and you know it.

Barkley, Karl Malone, Stockton, Maravich, Ewing, Lanier, Nique, Dantley, Gervin, Bernard King, AI. That's a list of players off the top of my head who never won a championship. At least 1/2 of those players were all on the 50 greatest players team.

Hedo is a solid role player, who is better, by far, than any SF we have had on our roster since Pippen.

 

[tlongII]

Maybe it's the fact that every single analyst that covers his games says he is one of the best passing forwards in the game?

As for the championships, that's a lame argument and you know it.

Barkley, Karl Malone, Stockton, Maravich, Ewing, Lanier, Nique, Dantley, Gervin, Bernard King, AI. That's a list of players off the top of my head who never won a championship. At least 1/2 of those players were all on the 50 greatest players team.

Hedo is a solid role player, who is better, by far, than any SF we have had on our roster since Pippen.

What the heck is that supposed to mean??? You want to give a max contract or close to it to Turkoglu? That's crazy talk!

 

[tlongII]

And who gives a crap about what those analysts say?

 

[cloudydays]

I'll let Hollinger speak for me:

Scouting report: Turkoglu is 6-10 but has the skill set of a point guard. He can handle the ball, being especially good at going to his right off the pick-and-roll, and is a deadly shooter with the size to get his shot off against anyone.

In the past he tended to forget that he was 6-10 and settled for jumpers, often firing quickly if he'd gone a few possessions without a touch, but last season he showed a renewed focus on driving to the basket and using his size to finish. Turkoglu is also a capable passer; in fact, Orlando frequently ran the offense through him rather than its point guards last season.

Nonetheless, Turkoglu plays much smaller than his height. He's only average as a rebounder, even for a small forward, and rarely posts up. At the defensive end he has the size to bother shooters but isn't particularly quick or tough; in general, not much is asked of him at that end.

Now, what happens with Roy? We certainly don't want to ask too much of him on D because he has to carry the load on offense. Turkoglu is just a bad fit on this team.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'll let Hollinger speak for me:



Now, what happens with Roy? We certainly don't want to ask too much of him on D because he has to carry the load on offense. Turkoglu is just a bad fit on this team.

I guess I don't see the difference between not asking Blake, Sergio, Travis, Frye or Rudy to play D and Turkoglu?

 

[Da_O]

I'll let Hollinger speak for me:



Now, what happens with Roy? We certainly don't want to ask too much of him on D because he has to carry the load on offense. Turkoglu is just a bad fit on this team.

The best players play at both ends of the floor i.e. Kobe, Lebron. There is no excuse for giving Roy a pass on his D.

Secondly, Hedo is no worse than Outlaw or Webster at defense. He has a higher BB IQ than both of them and knows where to be on the court. Unlike either of them, he can consistently get to the rim and plays point forward all the time. He also is great at creating his own shot which is something we need desperately next to Roy.

For his defensive shortcoming Hedo is pretty good at forcing his man into double teams or into his shot blocking big man down low. We have enough shooters to space the floor and teams can't just leave him open from out there. I would like to see Outlaw or Webster moved if we were going to acquire him to save us from the potential logjam at SF.

 

[Da_O]

I would love to see a lineup of(this is if both Sergio and Outlaw are moved)

PG: Blake / Bayless
SG: Roy / Rudy
SF: Hedo / Batum / Webster
PF: Aldridge / Hedo
C: Oden / Przybilla

 

[VanillaGorilla]

The best players play at both ends of the floor i.e. Kobe, Lebron. There is no excuse for giving Roy a pass on his D.

Secondly, Hedo is no worse than Outlaw or Webster at defense. He has a higher BB IQ than both of them and knows where to be on the court. Unlike either of them, he can consistently get to the rim and plays point forward all the time. He also is great at creating his own shot which is something we need desperately next to Roy.

For his defensive shortcoming Hedo is pretty good at forcing his man into double teams or into his shot blocking big man down low. We have enough shooters to space the floor and teams can't just leave him open from out there. I would like to see Outlaw or Webster moved if we were going to acquire him to save us from the potential logjam at SF.

Maybe the second half of the 4th quarter if the game is close. Most of the game they do not guard the other teams best player.

 

[Da_O]

Maybe the second half of the 4th quarter if the game is close. Most of the game they do not guard the other teams best player.

I didn't say they did. Both of them play on both sides of the floor, most of the time. I don't see why Roy should get a pass.

 

[maxiep]

Hedo is merely the flavor of the month. Someone will overpay for him; I just hope it's not us.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I didn't say they did. Both of them play on both sides of the floor, most of the time. I don't see why Roy should get a pass.

I don't think he should get a pass but I don't think he should be guarding the other teams best player the whole game.