Merged: Turkoglu to leave the Magic?

[tlongII]

Yah. Hedo's real clutch. lmao

 

[Da_O]

Yah. Hedo's real clutch. lmao

Not even the epitome of clutchness - Michael Jordan hit every game winning shot.

Hedo just a terrific game. 8-13 25 points 5 rebounds and 3 assists but "hey, he's not clutch"

*rolls eyes.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Hedo fucking choked.

 

[tlongII]

Yah and he missed 3 out of 4 late free throws not to mention 2 late shots. It doesn't matter if you lose.

 

[tlongII]

You aren't clutch until you win the whole thing. Hopefully you guys realize that sometime.

 

[Da_O]

Yah and he missed 3 out of 4 late free throws not to mention 2 late shots. It doesn't matter if you lose.

Him being clutch is already determined. He's many clutch shots in the past. -1 game- does not change this fact. He still had a great game. The player that really "choked" in that game was Dwight Howard.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

how many near 5-second calls did that guy have? jesus, the magic suck.

 

[Da_O]

You aren't clutch until you win the whole thing. Hopefully you guys realize that sometime.

Well I believe players like Lebron and Roy are pretty clutch in their own rights.

 

[tlongII]

Well I believe players like Lebron and Roy are pretty clutch in their own rights.

I think they're damn good, but you can't consider them clutch until they get rings.

 

[RoyToy]

There's really no such thing as being "clutch". You perform to your ability and over a period of time your fg% in these "clutch" situations will be pretty close to your regular season averages, for most players anyways.

 

[Da_O]

I think they're damn good, but you can't consider them clutch until they get rings.

There is no universal definition in the game of basketball of the word clutch. Both Roy and Lebron have shown many times that they are clutch in crucial times. Hedo has also shown these characteristics.

 

[tlongII]

There is no universal definition in the game of basketball of the word clutch. Both Roy and Lebron have shown many times that they are clutch in crucial times. Hedo has also shown these characteristics.

Hedo has shown he's a choker. Something Roy and LeBron have not.

 

[Da_O]

Hedo has shown he's a choker. Something Roy and LeBron have not.

Lebron scored 1 point in the 4th quarter against Orlando in Game 6. Is that not a choke?

Keep spinning it anyway you want to. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about making these myopic claims.

 

[tlongII]

Lebron scored 1 point in the 4th quarter against Orlando in Game 6. Is that not a choke?

Keep spinning it anyway you want to. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about making these myopic claims.

You're the one that's clueless. Comparing Hedo to LeBron? Right!

 

[Da_O]

You're the one that's clueless. Comparing Hedo to LeBron? Right!

Where did I compare them?

I said Hedo shows characteristics of being clutch and so does Lebron. I didn't say he was more clutch. This is all irrelevant anyway, Hedo is a good player, and we'd be lucky to have him on our team.

 

[KingSpeed]

tlong is wrong. period. has no idea what he's talking about. end of discussion. lock it up, folks.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Hedo has made shots late to win or tie games multiple times, whether you consider that clutch or not is up to you, but in my opinion, and mostly everyone else, Hedo can be considered as a clutch player. Certainly not a choker.

I’ve missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times, I’ve been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.

– Michael Jordan


MJ was so not clutch.

 

[B-Roy]

I think they're damn good, but you can't consider them clutch until they get rings.

Meh, I can think of numerous situations where both players failed to bring their team out on top.

But hey, that doesn't apply to them right? Only to Hedo.

 

[alex42083]

The Magic wouldn't be Eastern Conference champs and be the Finals if not for Hedo. The guy's a good player, give him his due. Don't know why the hate on him.

 

[tlongII]

I apologize for being right all the time. It's a cross I bear.

 

[tlongII]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090612

From espn.com's daily dime...

THURSDAY'S WORST
Hedo Turkoglu, Magic: He scored a team-high 25 points and at times carried the offense for Orlando, but when the Magic needed him most he missed four free throws in the fourth quarter.

 

[andalusian]

If Hedo is

...

then Roy is DSG

 

[PapaG]

Hedo has made shots late to win or tie games multiple times, whether you consider that clutch or not is up to you, but in my opinion, and mostly everyone else, Hedo can be considered as a clutch player. Certainly not a choker.

– Michael Jordan


MJ was so not clutch.

<cough> Travis Outlaw </cough>

 

[PapaG]

Turkoglu is a career 42% FG shooter who shot 41% this season and only 35% from 3 pt.

He was also miserable early in his career in the playoffs and just missed 4/5 clutch FTs as a supposed 80% shooter. He has a PER of 13.25 for THESE playoffs and a career playoff PER of 12.5 in 81 games.

Looks at his career playoff statistics and compare them to a player that many here want to scapegoat for the Houston series. I can't think of a more overrated player in these playoffs than Turkoglu. It could be argued that his 42% FG shooting and shaky defense in these playoffs has actually HURT the Magic more than he has help them.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turkohe01.html

 

[Blaze01]

I apologize for being right all the time. It's a cross I bear.

You mean wrong all the time?

Surely Dwight Howard's missed free throws towards the end of regulation were Turkoglu's fault as well, right? In fact, ALL of ORL missed free throws were his fault.....

clueless....

 

[tlongII]

You mean wrong all the time?

Surely Dwight Howard's missed free throws towards the end of regulation were Turkoglu's fault as well, right? In fact, ALL of ORL missed free throws were his fault.....

clueless....

Turkoglu choked. That is a fact. You can spin it any way you want, but he gagged at the most critical point of the game. Just like I said he would.

 

[alex42083]

It could be argued that his 42% FG shooting and shaky defense in these playoffs has actually HURT the Magic more than he has help them.

They're Eastern Conference champions and in the NBA Finals? They're losing to the best team in the NBA, and beat LeBron and the Cavs soundly. Not exactly a bad season there.
Oh well, just seems to be a vocal minority of two people wanting to hate on the guy for no reason.

 

[oldmangrouch]

They're Eastern Conference champions and in the NBA Finals? They're losing to the best team in the NBA, and beat LeBron and the Cavs soundly. Not exactly a bad season there.
Oh well, just seems to be a vocal minority of two people wanting to hate on the guy for no reason.

Meh. What do you expect. There are people here who wouldn't trade Outlaw for Lebron, Webster for Melo, or Oden for Howard. On a good day they might trade Rudy for Chris Paul...but only if NO threw in a couple of future picks!

 

[Trader Ed]

Yah and he missed 3 out of 4 late free throws not to mention 2 late shots. It doesn't matter if you lose.

everyone chocks some time

Kobe choked big time down the stretch on several occasions in game 3

 

[Trader Ed]

I think they're damn good, but you can't consider them clutch until they get rings.

John Stockton? Karl Malone? Charles Barkley?

these guys are not clutch players either I guess?