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Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

I would take Butler and predict we win the division this year and future years. I wouldn't be upset getting Wallace or even RJ for that matter but Butler is the guy that would put us over the top IMO. I really hope we get Butler, Wallace, RJ in that order but I have it a lot closer with Wallace and RJ then many on this forum.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

Either way I'll be happy. I was actually higher on Butler until I looked at his numbers, particularly 3pt%, which isn't that much better than Wallace's. Butler is a better offensive player, that much is certain. Washington has used him in the clutch like Roy and he has come through multiple times. And he knocks down his free-throws and rebounds well. Wallace gets more blocks and is more in that 3/4 hybrid that TO is...the question is who is a better wing defender on guys like LeBron and Kobe.

But I do think that Caron is probably the best, or at least most polished talent and has a very good contract.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

Butler, but Wallace is a close second.

Though I don't think Portland will make the Western Conference finals this year with either player. They would officially be the "Team No One Wants to Play".
 
Re: Blazers have intensified their focus on Wallace

Adding Butler would be like adding a young Paul Pierce to this core. I really hope KP can get this done.

Wallace would be a nice plan-B, though.


Butler is 29 though, 2 years older than Wallace, and speaking of injuries, he's missed more games over the last two seasons than Wallace. Wallace didn't play much his first few years in the league, so in theory, he'd have less mileage...but on the other hand, they don't call him Crash for nothing.

Either player would be great though.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

Butler is going to cost us much more. Probably giving up Bayless and taking back a huge contract. I still do that deal though.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

FYI

Butler
2008-09 Statistics
PPG 20.5
RPG 6.30
APG 4.4
EFF + 20.10
Born: Mar 13, 1980
Height: 6-7
Weight: 228 lbs.
College: Connecticut
Years Pro: 6


Wallace
2008-09 Statistics
PPG 16.4
RPG 7.40
APG 2.6
EFF + 19.66
Born: Jul 23, 1982
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220 lbs.
College: Alabama
Years Pro: 7


Jefferson
2008-09 Statistics
PPG 17.8
RPG 4.90
APG 2.3
EFF + 14.85
Born: Jun 21, 1980
Height: 6-7
Weight: 225 lbs.
College: Arizona
Years Pro: 7
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

Butler is going to cost us much more. Probably giving up Bayless and taking back a huge contract. I still do that deal though.

The question is is Caron worth Bayless and G. Wallace? Long term, I think that answer is no. Bayless has shown his potential more than a couple of times. He's a gym rat who plays the game right, with the physical tools to be the PLAYER we need at the 1 long term. We stole him in the draft when he slid.

If we get Wallace or Butler without giving up Oden/Pryz/LMA/Roy/Blake/Rudy/Batum/Bayless....then that's the magic ticket and we won.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

Butler is going to cost us much more. Probably giving up Bayless and taking back a huge contract. I still do that deal though.

Butler as well. Funny part is that he makes the least amount of money. Which also means we have to take back another player. So maybe he would cost us more but that more might be "a bad contract".
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

Butler needs the ball in his hands to do well; That negates Roy's strengths. Butler would be a downgrade imo. Too many cooks in the kitchen with that.

That's why I vote Wallace, for the defense that we most desperately need, and the occasional spark when Roy is out or when LMA isn't hitting.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

like i said a MONTH ago...our target was butler

and most on here said i had no idea what im talking about...
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

Can we merge all the Caron/Wallace/Jefferson threads into one?
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

like i said a MONTH ago...our target was butler

and most on here said i had no idea what im talking about...

Congratulations. But you say that almost every post outside of saying how horrid our team is.

Anyway, I vote for Wallace. I think his fit is much better. He is younger and wouldn't cost us Bayless. We would probably only have to give up Sergio and webster for him, which actually helps our team a lot because of the consolidation. We might have to take back Nazr, but meh... I think we'd be ok. He can also play some backup 4 for us, and doesn't hardly need the ball to be effective, which I like. He is a defensive stopper. Butler may be the better overall player but IDK if his skill set is exactly what we need, specially if we'd have to give up Bayless. Wallace is also a very good rebounder which would be an awesome plus (Butler is also good, just not as good).

But either one would be great, imo.... I strongly don't want Jefferson though.

Next year's starting lineup of... Bayless/Roy/Wallace/Aldridge/Oden would be killer...
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

I like all 3 and would be happy with any of them. Wallace would be the best match for our team though. You don't need to run any plays for him, he just gets it done on both ends of the court.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

I like all 3 and would be happy with any of them. Wallace would be the best match for our team though. You don't need to run any plays for him, he just gets it done on both ends of the court.


+Juan.

HCP, can you get Harlow's #?:pimp:
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

def butler...having one fragile player is enough. wallace is always hurt
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

def butler...having one fragile player is enough. wallace is always hurt

I agree but wouldn't be upset with either Wallace or RJ. The only problem I can see with trading for Butler is we would have to give up a lot more and I would hate to give Up Bayless and/or Rudy which it would probably take to get Butler.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

Butler needs the ball in his hands to do well; That negates Roy's strengths. Butler would be a downgrade imo. Too many cooks in the kitchen with that.

That's why I vote Wallace, for the defense that we most desperately need, and the occasional spark when Roy is out or when LMA isn't hitting.

Roy was just recently quoted that he would love to have another offensive creator on the court with him (he was specifically talking about Chris Paul); I really think he is getting tired of carrying all the load. Having another creator also might leave some energy for Roy to play better defense.
 
Re: Blazers have intensified their focus on Wallace

"If you asked owners in the league who they'd rather have right now, LaFrentz or Stoudemire, I think more than half of them would prefer LaFrentz," one executive told me. "That's how screwed up this thing has been. I guarantee you [Blazers GM] Kevin Pritchard has gotten better offers for LaFrentz than the Suns have gotten for Stoudemire."

That can't be true! Adrian Wojnarowski said that Pritchard and the Blazers would be blackballed for the Miles email. :confused:

Nice try, "Woj".
 
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Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

I like all 3 and would be happy with any of them. Wallace would be the best match for our team though. You don't need to run any plays for him, he just gets it done on both ends of the court.

Based on what I just saw from the vidieo posted on one of the threads today of Wallace: If we can keep Batum we probably need to do this deal.

It will probably cost less in personnel (outlaw) and Walloace-Batum becomes a very good tandum. Wow!

Wallace can help out bringing the ball up court with the gaurds if they get trapped bringing the ball up court. Outlaw is just too risky with this help. The team would flow very well IMO. However I say this with out much reference to Butler.

Can someone post both players U-tube vidios so we (I) can compare?
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

heres the deal we should do to get butler

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...4~2015~3025&teams=22~22~22~27~27~27&te=&cash=

and if we have to move bayless then we do. another guy people in here are in love with who looks average at best. theres a reason all those PGs were picked ahead of him. HES NOT A PG...but A Sg. hes a better version of jack cause of his defense. well his defense will be better then jacks eventually. If im being honest, jack would have helped us so much more his year.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

I vote Wallace. I love defense and he's fantastic at it. I also love that he plays well off the ball.

Damn! It's like Christmas has come early.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

While I think Wallace is a fantastic fit for this team's needs, particularly considering his contract, he's way too injury prone for my tastes. Therefore, I'd prefer Butler (who's just a better all around player in my opinion anyways). I still don't understand why Washington would want to move him, but if he's available I don't think this team could do any better.
 
Chad Ford: Three players on Pritchard's radar screen

Take it for what it's worth, since it's Chad Ford, but ...

The hottest name at the trade deadline? A guy who hasn't played a game this season: Raef LaFrentz of the Portland Trail Blazers.

"If you asked owners in the league who they'd rather have right now, LaFrentz or Stoudemire, I think more than half of them would prefer LaFrentz," one executive told me. "That's how screwed up this thing has been. I guarantee you [Blazers GM] Kevin Pritchard has gotten better offers for LaFrentz than the Suns have gotten for Stoudemire."

That might have been confirmed Monday when the Suns' interest in trading Stoudemire cooled dramatically. Some of that has to do with the hope that new coach Alvin Gentry will inject some life into the listless Suns. But much of it has to do with the fact that the Suns haven't gotten a great offer for Stoudemire.

Meanwhile, sources confirm that the Blazers have been getting a steady flow of offers for LaFrentz, including two significant new ones Monday.

The focus for the Blazers right now appears to be at the small forward position. It appears that three players -- Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler and Richard Jefferson -- are on Pritchard's radar screen. A fourth one, Mike Miller, is also a favorite of the Blazers, but the Wolves have been reluctant to include him in a deal.

Sources say the Blazers have intensified their focus on Wallace. He's young, athletic and physical, and he doesn't need to score to be an impact player. He has four years and $38 million left on his contract, which is a lot, but given his age and production the past few years, it's not unreasonable. The problem for the Blazers is that the Bobcats want Portland to take back Nazr Mohammed as part of the deal. That could be a deal-breaker for Pritchard.

Butler might be the best player of the group when he's healthy. He was an All-Star last year and is excellent in the mid-range game. He too has a reasonable contract, with just two years and $21 million left on his deal. But it's unclear what the Wizards would want in return and whether they'll ultimately opt to keep Butler and reevaluate the team when Gilbert Arenas returns. If the Wizards are to make such a deal, certainly they'll want the Blazers to take back Etan Thomas' contract, and they'll likely also demand one or two young players from the Blazers. That price might be too high for Portland.

Jefferson is the most available. The Bucks need to clear his salary from their cap if they're going to re-sign their two restricted free agents this summer: Charlie Villanueva and Ramon Sessions. Sources say there have been conversations that have included both Jefferson and Milwaukee point guard Luke Ridnour, though the talk has quieted down. As a proven scorer and defender who's played in the NBA Finals, Jefferson has some appeal for the Blazers.

One wild card for the Blazers is Vince Carter. His contract is the most expensive of the group, but Carter has been fantastic this season and would give the Blazers the biggest bang of anyone out there. It appears unlikely the Blazers will go that direction, but New Jersey would certainly listen if Portland wanted to do a deal.

-Pop
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

if you read the article... it says all these deals are IFFY


Wallace deal is IFFY because we would have to take Nazi back which is an UGLY UGLY contract.


Butler deal is iffy because we would have to take ethan thomas and give up 2 youthful players. ALSO THE WIZ ARENT EVN SUR ETHEY WANNA TRADE BUTLER!

Jefferson Fall back option



Basically at this point i think translation is this....

KP wants Butler or Wallace and teh Jefferson trade will happen if he gets neither. The Jefferson deal is basically if all else fails.... we still get a really good SF and backup PG.

It seems like a win win no matter what.
 
Re: Chad Ford: Three players on Pritchard's radar screen

I'm not gonna lie. That article made me giddy.
 
Re: Chad Ford: Three players on Pritchard's radar screen

like i just said in another thread....


Butler and Wallace are the top 2 targets. Problem is they want us to take bad contracts back while giving up youth.

Jefferson is the last resort. If both of the above fail.... hes our new SF. Thats how i see it this AM.
 
Re: Wallace vs Butler, who should KP get?

def butler...having one fragile player is enough. wallace is always hurt

butler has missed more time in the last 2 years than wallace. neither player has been particularly durable, so no real advantage there.
 
Re: Blazers have intensified their focus on Wallace

Health issues aside, I'd rather get Wallace over Butler as he plays better off the ball and is three years younger.

That said, the health issues Wallace has are pretty scary.
 

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