Merged: Wallace and Butler and RJeff, oh, my!

[Nikolokolus]

Take on Nazr. He's not great shakes, and he's overpaid, but is it REALLY the worst thing in the world to have a veteran 7 footer at the end of the bench?

If we need to give up almost nothing except RLEC and taking back Nazr, the Blazers would be silly not to acquire Wallace IMO.

Ed O.

Agreed, it's not like we haven't been paying Lafrentz 12 million a year for 3 years to sit on his ass.

 

[barfo]

Yep. If Nazr is the price, I'm happy to pay. Using Paul's money, of course.

barfo

 

[illmatic99]

Agreed, it's not like we haven't been paying Lafrentz 12 million a year for 3 years to sit on his ass.

But, this year would be the first where we'd probably be above the lux-tax threshold. So, Nazr's contract might result in us (edit: PA) paying twice what he's owed.

 

[Tortimer]

Take on Nazr. He's not great shakes, and he's overpaid, but is it REALLY the worst thing in the world to have a veteran 7 footer at the end of the bench?

If we need to give up almost nothing except RLEC and taking back Nazr, the Blazers would be silly not to acquire Wallace IMO.

Ed O.

I agree and if that is what I think KP is just seeing if he can get Wallace without taking Nazr but will cave in at the end if he has to take him. At least that is what I'm hoping happens. I still would rather have Butler but if Wallace is healthy I would love to have him as our starting SF.

 

[EGame]

KP is being stubborn at this point....

 

[craigehlo]

Nazr should only be taken on if we can also swap Blake for Felton. Wallace is a nice player, but having to swallow that craptastic Nazr contract is pretty steep price w/o some more incentive.

 

[mook]

After this year, Nazr is owed $6 mil/season for two seasons. We're paying Raef that for just this year, and the guy has been utterly useless his entire time here.

Nazr is only 31. He could at least be a good practice dummy for Oden in the offseason. He's a bad contract, but I doubt he'd even make a top 10 list of bad contracts in the league.

 

[Tortimer]

KP is being stubborn at this point....

...and he should be. I'm sure PA doesn't want to pay a luxury tax if he doesn't have to and if it is true that KP is getting a ton of offers for the Rlec has to look to make the best trade possible.

 

[Nikolokolus]

But, this year would be the first where we'd probably be above the lux-tax threshold. So, Nazr's contract might result in us (edit: PA) paying twice what he's owed.

I need to look at Storyteller's site to see all of the particulars, but even with Brandon and Lamarcus getting extensions over the summer, taking back Mohammed doesn't instantly put us over the cap since the salaries going out for Wallace and he have to match.

Regardless, PA has also shown a willingness to spend 3 million bucks just to purchase somebody else's draft pick, and in the past when he has a winner on his hands he's shown a willingness to spend crazy amounts of money ... Thomas would end up costing us for just two and half years.

 

[crowTrobot]

Nazr should only be taken on if we can also swap Blake for Felton.

unless we want to throw a lot of money at felton (i assume we don't) that would be dumb.

 

[BrianFromWA]

After this year, Nazr is owed $6 mil/season for two seasons. We're paying Raef that for just this year, and the guy has been utterly useless his entire time here.

Nazr is only 31. He could at least be a good practice dummy for Oden in the offseason. He's a bad contract, but I doubt he'd even make a top 10 list of bad contracts in the league.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090212
#9, sidebar about halfway down the page.

 

[EGame]

...and he should be. I'm sure PA doesn't want to pay a luxury tax if he doesn't have to and if it is true that KP is getting a ton of offers for the Rlec has to look to make the best trade possible.

Honestly, I think he should be too, but don't get angry if a deal is not made because of his stubborness (sp?). I don't know yours, or others on this board very well so I don't know what your thoughts/opinions will be if no trade goes through (since I just joined not too long ago), however, if you or anyone are the type who will be upset than it would be because of KP's stuborness. Anyway, if Allen can pay A LOT to Darius he can take Nazr' contract in order to get a player who will help us a lot barring he stays healthy.

I guess I should say, even in the economy we are in right now. I know it was not bad like it is now when Allen was paying Miles, but I still think he doesn't mind it...

 

[MIXUM]

Chad Fords Live chat ...Blazer SF question answered

Ralphie Bristol CT: Who do you expect Portland to end up with at SF? It seems like its gonna be Wallace, Butler, Jefferson or Carter going by what your article says.

Chad Ford: (1:05 PM ET ) Sounds like their primary target is Gerald Wallace. The problem is that Charlotte wants them to take back Nazr Mohammed in any deal. Richard Jefferson is an easier get, but he's got a bigger salary, is older and isn't as good of a defender. I think Caron Butler is the best fit, but I'm not convinced Washington will let him go. Vince Carter is intriguing, but you have to worry about chemistry a bit with him. Bottom line, I think the Blazers will do a deal and I think it will be something that lands them Wallace or Jefferson.


gee i wonder who that ralphie guy in Bristol CT is????

 

[craigehlo]

unless we want to throw a lot of money at felton (i assume we don't) that would be dumb.

I think we could at least match if we have his bird rights. I doubt he'll get a massive deal in free agency in the current economic climate.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I'm getting antsy.....

The thought of landing any 3 of these SF's has me stoked. I'll be disappointed if we don't land any of them.

 

[tlongII]

KP is being stubborn at this point....

Yep, and that's a good thing.

 

[Tortimer]

Honestly, I think he should be too, but don't get angry if a deal is not made because of his stubborness (sp?). I don't know yours, or others on this board very well so I don't know what your thoughts/opinions will be if no trade goes through (since I just joined not too long ago), however, if you or anyone are the type who will be upset than it would be because of KP's stuborness. Anyway, if Allen can pay A LOT to Darius he can take Nazr' contract in order to get a player who will help us a lot barring he stays healthy.

I have been at best 50-50 we should or do make a trade. I'm now in the camp we make a trade if it really is going to help us this year and in the future. I have just been thinking from the rumors coming out in the last day that maybe we will make a trade and it is closer to 75-90% now. I want someone that is a little stubborn as GM and not making bad trade after bad trade like some teams I'm not going to list.

Also I wouldn't be that upset if we didn't make a trade.

 

[STOMP]

like i said a MONTH ago...our target was butler

and most on here said i had no idea what im talking about...

so what... I started speculating on Gerald Wallace almost a year back

whats the big deal about speculating about top players on other teams at positions of need?

STOMP

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Nazr is usually pretty productive wherever he goes, I don't know why we would be so reluctant to acquire him if it meant acquiring Wallace as well.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Nazr is usually pretty productive wherever he goes, I don't know why we would be so reluctant to acquire him if it meant acquiring Wallace as well.

6.8 million is a lot to pay a 3rd string big man ... but I suppose there might be some team out there in need of a big man ... maybe we trade him on draft day?

 

[Natebishop3]

Man.... it feels like the offseason again. Exciting times. Honestly, I'm not sure which I would take, between Butler and Wallcae, but I would just be happy with either at this point. I think I might be leaning more towards Wallace, and I would gladly take Nazr's contract and run. After next summer it won't matter anyway, whether we have one more big contract on our roster.

Butler would probably give us the extra scoring punch we so desperately need, but Wallace would make us a better defensive and rebounding team.

It seems to me that Butler would be just another jump shooter for us, but a good one at that. Wallace would be more of a slasher, which means he would get to the line more. Butler would be a legit All-Star, but Wallace could reach that level too.... man..... decisions, decisions. I'd hate to be KP

 

[Pinwheel1]

Nazr is usually pretty productive wherever he goes, I don't know why we would be so reluctant to acquire him if it meant acquiring Wallace as well.

WE could be headed over the luxory cap. Which mean that 6 million a year doubles to 12 million. I am not saying don't do it, but for a third string center that is a lot.( It would be foolish to then trade Joel. Nazi can't stay healthy)

If we took his salary too then Charlotte should get nothing else in value. Channing and Ike. No more (+ REC)

 

[Nikolokolus]

WE could be headed over the luxory cap. Which mean that 6 million a year doubles to 12 million. I am not saying don't do it, but for a third string center that is a lot.( It would be foolish to then trade Joel. Nazi can't stay healthy)

If we took his salary too then Charlotte should get nothing else in value. Channing and Ike. No more (+ REC)

It's not like taking back Mohammed instantly puts us 6 million over the luxury tax line; after all contracts have to match (more or less) meaning we send out as much salary as we take back which means give or take a million this year's salary is identical before and after the trade. Furthermore Darius comes off the books in 2010 before Lamarcus and Brandon's extensions kick in which frees up a further 9 million and in 2010-2011 Mohammed comes off the books so he's no longer on the books when Greg Oden's extension comes up.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

It will be interesting to see if Wallace plays tonight. If a deal is in the works, I doubt he'll play.

Wallace (ribs) is expected to return for Tuesday's game against Orlando, the Charlotte Observer reports.
Wallace will likely return to the starting lineup and push Vlade Radmanovic to the sixth-man role. It is not likely that Wallace will be back in game-playing condition, but we would expect him to still be a significant factor.

 

[Nikolokolus]

It will be interesting to see if Wallace plays tonight. If a deal is in the works, I doubt he'll play.

Actually I think the opposite. Wouldn't KP want to see that he's game ready before pulling the trigger on something?

 

[Natebishop3]

http://www.columbian.com/article/20090217/BLOGS05/902179993/-1/BLAZERBANTER

Brian Hendrickson's take

He pretty much rehashes everything that Chad Ford said, but he throws out the ever-popular cliche

And I've said many times before: The deals that Kevin Pritchard does are never the deals you hear about beforehand.

Personally I think this is false, because I remember hearing rumors about the Telfair to Boston trade days before it happened, and at the time I thought it was a HORRIBLE trade for us... little did I know that we'd end up with Brandon Roy

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I'm sure our team doctors can talk to their team doctors and get the scoop on his health. He busted up a rib/lung, not like he busted up an ankle/knee. The guy's gonna be ok.

 

[talman]

Actually I think the opposite. Wouldn't KP want to see that he's game ready before pulling the trigger on something?

Agreed. Unless they complete the deal late and are pending league approval I can't imagine them sitting a player because of a trade that might happen.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It's not like taking back Mohammed instantly puts us 6 million over the luxury tax line; after all contracts have to match (more or less) meaning we send out as much salary as we take back which means give or take a million this year's salary is identical before and after the trade. Furthermore Darius comes off the books in 2010 before Lamarcus and Brandon's extensions kick in which frees up a further 9 million and in 2010-2011 Mohammed comes off the books so he's no longer on the books when Greg Oden's extension comes up.

I realize that. i am just saying that it is a lot to ask for from Charlottes end. And if we do it, they should not be asking for anything else. (i.e young quality talent)

 

[Natebishop3]

Who cares about Nazr's contract... it's an afterthought. We traded for Steve Francis and cut him for pete's sake.