Merged: Would you trade LaMarcus for Amare

[B-Roy]

O RLY? So is that why he still plays most of his minutes at SG?

He plays at SG because Charlotte had Wallace and Phoenix had Hill. He can definitely play SF.

And If I recall correctly, I think he played some SF in Charlotte, next to Wallace at PF and Okafor at C.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Phoenix has three other small forwards. No real reason to play J-Rich there.

Look at his PER playing at the SF position. J-rich can only play there for certain spurts, he played SG 75% of the time in Charlotte too. I wouldn't count on him being a full time starter at the 3.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08CHA6.HTM#bypos

http://www.82games.com/0809/08PHO7.HTM#bypos

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

He plays at SG because Charlotte had Wallace and Phoenix had Hill. He can definitely play SF.

And If I recall correctly, I think he played some SF in Charlotte, next to Wallace at PF and Okafor at C.

Yes he played 25% of his minutes at SF for Charlotte and obtained a 4.3 PER while doing so.

 

[JE]

Bosh: 8.5 FTA
Amare: 7.2 FTA.

"Checkmate."

Bosh: 49.6 FG%
Amare: 53.7 FG%

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Oden's definitely on the fast track to becoming that player, ay?

Yeah we will see in a couple years.

 

[JE]

Look at his PER playing at the SF position. J-rich can only play there for certain spurts, he played SG 75% of the time in Charlotte too. I wouldn't count on him being a full time starter at the 3.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08CHA6.HTM#bypos

http://www.82games.com/0809/08PHO7.HTM#bypos

Who's this?

 

[JE]

Yeah we will see in a couple years.

Pretty good chance that Bosh/Amare (if acquired) will be gone in two years.

 

[illmatic99]

Oden's definitely on the fast track to becoming that player, ay?

Sigh...

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Who's this?

He's a good player, but if you would click on the link, it would show you J-Rich's 4.3 PER while playing SF for Charlotte

 

[B-Roy]

Yes he played 25% of his minutes at SF for Charlotte and obtained a 4.3 PER while doing so.

http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHA6C.HTM

21.1 last year at the small forward position, and with 53% of his minutes too.

He was hampered by injuries in Charlotte this season.

 

[JE]

Sigh...

Oh sorry mista. Just tryin to talk basketball.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Pretty good chance that Bosh/Amare (if acquired) will be gone in two years.

Maybe, which is why I would rather stand pat. But either of those guys leaving would be kinda stupid. A tandem of Roy and Oden (at least what we hope he becomes) with either of those 2 would be lethal

 

[JE]

He's a good player, but if you would click on the link, it would show you J-Rich's 4.3 PER while playing SF for Charlotte

Not exactly a huge sample size. As you said, he played the vast majority of his minutes at the 2.

 

[B-Roy]

Richardson's SF stats in Golden State

http://www.82games.com/03GSW7C.HTM

20.6 at SF in 03-04

http://www.82games.com/04GSW5C.HTM

23.6 at SF in 04-05

http://www.82games.com/0506/05GSW6C.HTM

21.5 at SF in 05-06

Plus, he's had a significantly higher win% at small forward for all those seasons.

I'd say he can play SF. Unless he suddenly got dumb in the brain and stopped giving effort at the SF position.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHA6C.HTM

21.1 last year at the small forward position, and with 53% of his minutes too.

He was hampered by injuries in Charlotte this season.

Yes he did have a good year last year

But I wouldn't want a 6'6 guy at SF when his natural position is SG and he usually plays SF when a team goes to small-ball.

 

[JE]

But either of those guys leaving would be kinda stupid. A tandem of Roy and Oden (at least what we hope he becomes) with either of those 2 would be lethal

Amare I can pretty much guarantee would leave unless Portland is ready to open the vault. Money is his number one motive, he said himself that he's a businessman first.

Bosh would be more likely to stick around, but he simply not worth the money he'll be paid.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Richardson's SF stats in Golden State

http://www.82games.com/03GSW7C.HTM

20.6 at SF in 03-04

http://www.82games.com/04GSW5C.HTM

23.6 at SF in 04-05

http://www.82games.com/0506/05GSW6C.HTM

21.5 at SF in 05-06

Plus, he's had a significantly higher win% at small forward for all those seasons.

I'd say he can play SF. Unless he suddenly got dumb in the brain and stopped giving effort at the SF position.

Again playing in a small-ball line-up. Not something I would want for this team

 

[B-Roy]

Yes he did have a good year last year

But I wouldn't want a 6'6 guy at SF when his natural position is SG and he usually plays SF when a team goes to small-ball.

Look at his stats in Golden State. It all leads to him being able to play SF efficiently. Is he good on defense? Hell no, but he's just as bad on D at the SG position.

 

[Minstrel]

Amare has an inside game. Bosh is a jump shooter and is soft.

Both are more face-up players than low-post fixtures. Bosh strikes me as just as aggressive at attacking the hoop as Amare.

Oden is a low-post player, so a face-up attacker at power forward who can shoot would be a good complement. Of course, Portland has one in Aldridge, so there's no real need to make a move. I think Bosh is better than Aldridge because he's more aggressive, so I'd be somewhat interested in him. Stoudemire's regression this year is concerning, plus he plays worse defense than Aldridge and has attitude issues, so I'm significantly less interested in Stoudemire.

 

[B-Roy]

Again playing in a small-ball line-up. Not something I would want for this team

That doesn't affect his production....

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

That doesn't affect his production....

what's the point like you said, he's atrocious on defense at the SF position. He's been able to play SF in the past, in small-ball lineups, would Portland have one of those? No.

And I guess if we go by small-ball lineups Al Harrington is a C then right?

 

[JE]

Both are more face-up players than low-post fixtures. Bosh strikes me as just as aggressive at attacking the hoop as Amare.

Oden is a low-post player, so a face-up attacker at power forward who can shoot would be a good complement. Of course, Portland has one in Aldridge, so there's no real need to make a move. I think Bosh is better than Aldridge because he's more aggressive, so I'd be somewhat interested in him. Stoudemire's regression this year is concerning, plus he plays worse defense than Aldridge and has attitude issues, so I'm significantly less interested in Stoudemire.

Bosh is a soft player who is not smart and folds in crunch time. Amare is a lot better down low than he is. Bosh is KG minus the overwhelming defensive intensity and toughness.

 

[Minstrel]

Bosh is a soft player who is not smart and folds in crunch time.

Well, I really don't agree with any of this. Also, I don't know why being "KG" on offense is a bad thing. In his prime, KG was a fantastic offensive player. Bosh is actually not as good as KG was (though, that's hardly an indictment). As I said, a face-up threat who can shoot is a better complement to Oden, so the style of Bosh's game isn't really a problem.

 

[JE]

Well, I really don't agree with any of this. Also, I don't know why being "KG" on offense is a bad thing. In his prime, KG was a fantastic offensive player. Bosh is actually not as good as KG was (though, that's hardly an indictment). As I said, a face-up threat who can shoot is a better complement to Oden, so the style of Bosh's game isn't really a problem.

To each his own. I wouldn't want him as my franchise player.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

To each his own. I wouldn't want him as my franchise player.

technically you could say Roy is our franchise player.

 

[Nikolokolus]

To each his own. I wouldn't want him as my franchise player.

Right. That's why we have Brandon Roy.

 

[B-Roy]

what's the point like you said, he's atrocious on defense at the SF position. He's been able to play SF in the past, in small-ball lineups, would Portland have one of those? No.

And I guess if we go by small-ball lineups Al Harrington is a C then right?

Well, you're wrong on multiple accounts.

Firstly, he's never been known for his defense. So you wouldn't be bringing him in as a defender anyways. He's just as bad as a SG defender than a SF defender, and his stats from Golden State and Charlotte prove this as he usually holds his opponent to a lower PER at the SF position than at the SG position. (IE. Higher PER differential.)

Secondly, you assume that he can't slide to the SF just because he's known as a shooting guard. Well, if you want to look at a certain shooting guard already on our team: http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR5.HTM#bypos, you'd see that being shifted to the SF position doesn't mean you lose production. In this player's case (Roy), you'd see that he actually produces better as a SF. Richardson is the same height as Roy, but weighs more and is stronger. Why wouldn't he be able to play SF?

Thirdly, you say that small ball is bad, but we have been playing a lot of small ball for the past two years. Aldridge plays center occasionally. Outlaw is an undersized backup power-forward. Roy slides to the SF position for 25% of his minutes. Even Rudy plays at SF.

If you don't want Richardson for his general lack of defensive ability, then fine, but don't say he's unable to play the SF position when he's clearly capable of doing so.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

If you don't want Richardson for his general lack of defensive ability, then fine, but don't say he's unable to play the SF position when he's clearly capable of doing so.

Fulltime? I don't think so

 

[Nikolokolus]

Well, you're wrong on multiple accounts.

Firstly, he's never been known for his defense. So you wouldn't be bringing him in as a defender anyways. He's just as bad as a SG defender than a SF defender, and his stats from Golden State and Charlotte prove this as he usually holds his opponent to a lower PER at the SF position than at the SG position. (IE. Higher PER differential.)

Secondly, you assume that he can't slide to the SF just because he's known as a shooting guard. Well, if you want to look at a certain shooting guard already on our team: http://www.82games.com/0809/08POR5.HTM#bypos, you'd see that being shifted to the SF position doesn't mean you lose production. In this player's case (Roy), you'd see that he actually produces better as a SF. Richardson is the same height as Roy, but weighs more and is stronger. Why wouldn't he be able to play SF?

Thirdly, you say that small ball is bad, but we have been playing a lot of small ball for the past two years. Aldridge plays center occasionally. Outlaw is an undersized backup power-forward. Roy slides to the SF position for 25% of his minutes. Even Rudy plays at SF.

If you don't want Richardson for his general lack of defensive ability, then fine, but don't say he's unable to play the SF position when he's clearly capable of doing so.

For the win.

 

[B-Roy]

Fulltime? I don't think so

Your choice, but in that deal, we give up Outlaw, who is arguable a worse defender anyways. We could make Richardson into a super 6th man like Golden State has done with Maggette if we wanted to. (Keep starting Batum) I'd rather have Richardson as the 6th man than Outlaw.