Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors

[maxiep]

This trade would make or break the rebuild.

And @Samuel makes the most important point. We don't have the luxury of not getting value for Dame. To do so would destroy this rebuild and put us at risk of losing Shaedon and Scoot because we couldn't build a winner around them.

 

[blazerfan11]

And @Samuel makes the most important point. We don't have the luxury of not getting value for Dame. To do so would destroy this rebuild and put us at risk of losing Shaedon and Scoot because we couldn't build a winner around them.

That's why I'd really like to add a third piece of the puzzle if possible.
Steph, Klay and Dray. A Dray-type player would be great, at minimum a high iq defensive player.

 

[inconceivable]

And @Samuel makes the most important point. We don't have the luxury of not getting value for Dame. To do so would destroy this rebuild and put us at risk of losing Shaedon and Scoot because we couldn't build a winner around them.

No truer words have been spoken

 

[Idog1976]

I’m content letting this drag on as long as possible. We aren’t playing right now so need to do anything, more pressure on Miami and even Dame.

By mid-season, Brooklyn will look great to Dame. Brooklyn and/or BOS both have actual assets that are worth trading him for. BOS with a 3rd team could be incredible e.g. Dame to BOS, Brown to HOU or SAS or even Utah where actually valuable assets exist would be amazing for all teams involved.

 

[blazerfan11]

That's why I'd really like to add a third piece of the puzzle if possible.
Steph, Klay and Dray. A Dray-type player would be great, at minimum a high iq defensive player.

Although a super high efficiency scorer like Trey Murphy could be good too.

 

[PCmor7]

By mid-season, Brooklyn will look great to Dame. Brooklyn and/or BOS both have actual assets that are worth trading him for. BOS with a 3rd team could be incredible e.g. Dame to BOS, Brown to HOU or SAS or even Utah where actually valuable assets exist would be amazing for all teams involved.

And you have to wonder how the Heat might look at the trade deadline. If they're stuck in a holding pattern personnel-wise, other teams might look a lot better to Dame in comparison by then. And they're going to be holding Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson ... wonder how they'll feel after their fans trashed their value and then they couldn't trade them because they were waiting for the Blazers to crack.

 

[Ed O]

And @Samuel makes the most important point. We don't have the luxury of not getting value for Dame. To do so would destroy this rebuild and put us at risk of losing Shaedon and Scoot because we couldn't build a winner around them.

I don't agree.

We will have another lottery pick or two to add, and Sharpe and Scoot will probably have (in one another) a better teammate than Dame ever had (other than LMA, I guess).

Getting lottery picks in 2025 and beyond is going to be awesome, but it won't make or break keeping those guys. The team will definitely have to do other things between now and then, and that's whether we get nothing for Dame or not.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I don't agree.

We will have another lottery pick or two to add, and Sharpe and Scoot will probably have (in one another) a better teammate than Dame ever had (other than LMA, I guess).

Getting lottery picks in 2025 and beyond is going to be awesome, but it won't make or break keeping those guys. The team will definitely have to do other things between now and then, and that's whether we get nothing for Dame or not.

I don't understand the argument that we should let Dame go for nothing. Why? He has a lot of value. We were upset with the value we got back for CJ and Norm, so why let Dame walk when we can get value back to surround Scoot and Shae in a rebuild? If you can get value back, you do it. Scoot and Shae by themselves is not going to catapult this team forward. We need other positions to be solidified for the long-term.

 

[Samuel]

And @Samuel makes the most important point. We don't have the luxury of not getting value for Dame. To do so would destroy this rebuild and put us at risk of losing Shaedon and Scoot because we couldn't build a winner around them.

It’d be the LaMarcus Aldridge departure on steroids—and those effects are still being felt!

 

[Ed O]

I don't understand the argument that we should let Dame go for nothing. Why? He has a lot of value. We were upset with the value we got back for CJ and Norm, so why let Dame walk when we can get value back to surround Scoot and Shae in a rebuild? If you can get value back, you do it. Scoot and Shae by themselves is not going to catapult this team forward. We need other positions to be solidified for the long-term.

I'm not saying that we "should let Dame go for nothing".

Did you accidentally quote my post or something?

 

[Samuel]

I don't agree.

We will have another lottery pick or two to add, and Sharpe and Scoot will probably have (in one another) a better teammate than Dame ever had (other than LMA, I guess).

Getting lottery picks in 2025 and beyond is going to be awesome, but it won't make or break keeping those guys. The team will definitely have to do other things between now and then, and that's whether we get nothing for Dame or not.

Disagree. Our competition right now is Utah and OKC. Doing a proper rebuild without a net positive pick situation into the future is hard to do. Just ask the Pistons and the Hornets.

I agree that some of the big components of the rebuild will be nailing our own high lottery picks and getting value back for players when the time comes, but having more draft assets for targeted trades and/or dart throws in the latter part of the first round, and getting a single value player back in the deal is important. Brooklyn got two back for KD, Mitchell netted Lauri, Gobert netted Kessler—I’m not sure Jovic and Jaquez are those dudes.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'm not saying that we "should let Dame go for nothing".

Did you accidentally quote my post or something?

You said you don't agree to the suggestion that we don't have the luxury of getting value back for Dame.

Thanks for clarifying. We have Dame, Grant and Simons to get young, better-fitting pieces around Shae and Scoot. This is why I like sending Dame to Boston. Jaylen Brown would yield at least a couple of very good pieces to a young team like Houston.

 

[Strenuus]

I don't get why the Heat are even given a draft pick, let alone the Blazers can't do that yet anyways.

And on top of that, Miamis picks would be late 1st round picks. BFD.

Whoever created that trade should be on the governments "never let this guy have the internet again" list.

 

[Strenuus]

You said you don't agree to the suggestion that we don't have the luxury of getting value back for Dame.

Thanks for clarifying. We have Dame, Grant and Simons to get young, better-fitting pieces around Shae and Scoot. This is why I like sending Dame to Boston. Jaylen Brown would yield at least a couple of very good pieces to a young team like Houston.

You do realize that's not going to happen right?

And when you complain about Cronin not doing what you wanted, we will all laugh because it's your own fault.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

You do realize that's not going to happen right?

And when you complain about Cronin not doing what you wanted, we will all laugh because it's your own fault.

So let's only talk about things that are going to happen, Nostradamus? Let's delete 95% of the discussion here.

Does that work for you?

 

[Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte]

So let's only talk about things that are going to happen, Nostradamus? Let's delete 95% of the discussion here.

Does that work for you?

Michel de Nostredame, commonly known as Nostradamus, was a fraud and a turd. He gained fame primarily due to his collection of prophecies, "Les Prophéties," which he claimed foretold future events.

His prophecies were often vague and open to broad interpretations, making them suitable for applying to various situations after the fact. Many of the purported predictions attributed to him were written in cryptic poetic language, leaving plenty of room for misinterpretation and cherry-picking of phrases. Furthermore, some of his supposed prophecies were a result of pure chance or coincidence rather than genuine clairvoyance. Historical records indicate that his success rate in foreseeing events was not as remarkable as some might claim.

 

[inconceivable]

Miami Heat Receive:
PG Damian Lillard,
PF Marcus Morris Sr.

Los Angeles Clippers Receive:
G James Harden,
PF P.J. Tucker

Philadelphia 76ers Receive:
G Tyler Herro,
F Caleb Martin,
F Robert Covington,
2028 and 2029 second-round picks
(via Miami Heat)

Portland Trail Blazers Receive:
2027 and 2029 unprotected first-round picks (via Miami Heat),
2028 and 2030 unprotected first-round picks (via Los Angeles Clippers),
PG Kyle Lowry,
F Nic Batum,
F Nikola Jović,
PF Kobe Brown,
SG Amir Coffey,
PG Jason Preston

 

[Natebishop3]

Miami Heat Receive:
PG Damian Lillard,
PF Marcus Morris Sr.

Los Angeles Clippers Receive:
G James Harden,
PF P.J. Tucker

Philadelphia 76ers Receive:
G Tyler Herro,
F Caleb Martin,
F Robert Covington,
2028 and 2029 second-round picks
(via Miami Heat)

Portland Trail Blazers Receive:
2027 and 2029 unprotected first-round picks (via Miami Heat),
2028 and 2030 unprotected first-round picks (via Los Angeles Clippers),
PG Kyle Lowry,
F Nic Batum,
F Nikola Jović,
PF Kobe Brown,
SG Amir Coffey,
PG Jason Preston

Miami can't trade 27 and 29.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Here's one.

Heat get: Lillard
Blazers get: Hunter, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Precious Achiuwa, Miami’s unprotected first-round picks in 2028 and 2030
Raptors get: Herro, Duncan Robinson
Hawks get: Siakam

I think I'd be alright with it if Portland gets at least 1 more good draft pick in 2025/26.

2 more picks would be preferred, considering Hunter's inability to play a full season. Not sure what's up with that.

*The more I think about it, the more I'd want 4 picks in this deal.*

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Here's one.

Heat get: Lillard
Blazers get: Hunter, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Precious Achiuwa, Miami’s unprotected first-round picks in 2028 and 2030
Raptors get: Herro, Duncan Robinson
Hawks get: Siakam

I think I'd be alright with it if Portland gets at least 1 more good draft pick in 2025/26.

2 more picks would be preferred, considering Hunter's inability to play a full season. Not sure what's up with that.

*The more I think about it, the more I'd want 4 picks in this deal.*

No way Raptors do that. Hawks make out like bandits.

 

[Whyachi]

Maybe the Heat want Kris Murray in the package, and Cronin is throwing a fit about that idea?

 

[Whyachi]

Kevin Love part of the Lillard trade ??
Local guy, veteran, 2yr 8m contract
maybe reason why Knox & Watford went bye bye ?

 

[PCmor7]

I've only seen this clip without any context, so I don't know if LeBatard -- who is Miami-based and has had some incredibly bad and partial takes in his time -- is saying this just from the Heat's perspective or because he believes it himself. If you look down the comments, there are some advanced metrics that say Maxey is vastly superior to Herro if you put stock in that sort of thing.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I've only seen this clip without any context, so I don't know if LeBatard -- who is Miami-based and has had some incredibly bad and partial takes in his time -- is saying this just from the Heat's perspective or because he believes it himself. If you look down the comments, there are some advanced metrics that say Maxey is vastly superior to Herro if you put stock in that sort of thing.

Who cares who "the best player Portland would get in a trade" is--we don't want "good players"; we want good assets for a rebuild. It's irrelevant to me who's better between Maxey or Herro, since I don't want either on a team seeking to rebuild around Scoot and Sharpe. Someone like Claxton would be far more valuable to us than either Herro or Maxey would, even if he's not considered a "better player".

 

[Pinwheel1]

I've only seen this clip without any context, so I don't know if LeBatard -- who is Miami-based and has had some incredibly bad and partial takes in his time -- is saying this just from the Heat's perspective or because he believes it himself. If you look down the comments, there are some advanced metrics that say Maxey is vastly superior to Herro if you put stock in that sort of thing.

If Herro is that good (better than Maxey) then it should be easy for the Heat to trade him for someone that we actually want/need. So why has Miami not been able to do so?

 

[blazerkor]

Who cares who "the best player Portland would get in a trade" is--we don't want "good players"; we want good assets for a rebuild. It's irrelevant to me who's better between Maxey or Herro, since I don't want either on a team seeking to rebuild around Scoot and Sharpe. Someone like Claxton would be far more valuable to us than either Herro or Maxey would, even if he's not considered a "better player".

I swear whenever I read or hear Miami media about this and I guess this extends to national media who live in Miami, it's like they haven't even looked at our roster. It's like they don't even know why Dame wants out. It should be fucking embarrassing to them how absolutely one sided their takes are.

 

[wizenheimer]

who looks better:

 

[Natebishop3]

who looks better:

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But where is the "white" metric?

 

[Tince]

who looks better:

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Statistically, it appears Maxey is a more efficent scorer and Herro does more off the ball. Of course, both are playing next to very different players in very different types of systems, Maxey has more playmakers around him, so his playmaking numbers probably should be worse and likewise, he's probably getting easier shots. So, comparing their numbers can only be valued so much. Neither of them seem to make much sense as long as Portland feels Sharpe is the future.

Would be interesting to throw Ant in there to see if there is a drastic difference there as well.

 

[Tince]

Kevin Love part of the Lillard trade ??
Local guy, veteran, 2yr 8m contract
maybe reason why Knox & Watford went bye bye ?

I would assume Love has more value to Miami than Portland. Would also assume Love would rather be in Miami than Portland.

I'm not against vets being on this team. In fact, I think we could use vets. I'd prefer we just sign those vets as oppose to obtaining them in a trade where we could have obtained picks/young players that aren't on the market. If he was added to simply match salary, that's fine. Though I'd guess we'd probably trade him come the deadline anyway.