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Natebishop3 said:
I’ll say it again. His defensive stats are gonna look better because he was on a really good defensive team. Put him on our dumpster fire defense and his stats would look like trash too.
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Key point is Herro can be on a good defense team.
Ant is a primary reason why Portland's defense has been trash.
Both are contributing to the respective team's results

Not sure your argument holds as much value as you think it does
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Key point is Herro can be on a good defense team.
Ant is a primary reason why Portland's defense has been trash.
Both are contributing to the respective team's results

Not sure your argument holds as much value as you think it does
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I think he’d be fine…. Or Jimmy would kill him. Herro got to play with Butler and Bam who are both exceptional defenders. I guess we will see because Dame is terrible on defense. We will see if his stats improve.
 
Natebishop3 said:
No. Someone would need to be flipped. We won’t have enough minutes to develop all those dudes anyway.
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but this is why I wouldn't want Clowney and Whitehead and instead would prefer future first's

I think people are really overestimating how many picks and assets Brooklyn would kick in as the 3rd wheel on this trade
 
wizenheimer said:
but this is why I wouldn't want Clowney and Whitehead and instead would prefer future first's

I think people are really overestimating how many picks and assets Brooklyn would kick in as the 3rd wheel on this trade
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Yeah I really don’t know. The questions that I have are this:

How much is Herro worth to them?

How much is it worth getting Simmons off their payroll?

It’s really two separate transactions.
 
After some more in-depth research, this is what I would want from Miami: Jovic, Martin, 24/28/30 unprotected 1sts, unprotected 27/29 swaps for Dame and Nurk. Lowry for salary matching.

From Brooklyn: Clowney, best of the 27 PHI/PHX/DAL 1st for Herro. ONeal and Dinwiddie needed for salary matching.

Trade for Capela, Wright.

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Ant(18)/Scoot(30)/Wright
Sharpe(32)/Ant(16)/Thybulle
Martin(30)/Thybulle(10)/Jovic(8)
Grant(32)/Clowney(10)/Jovic(6)
Capela(26)/Badji(12)/Clowney(10)

With these available picks:
2024 POR 1st
2024 MIA 1st
2024 POR 1st
2025 POR 1st
2026 MIA 1st
2027 POR/MIA swap
Best of 2027 PHI/PHX/DAL 1sts
2028 MIA 1st
2029 POR/MIA swap
2030 MIA 1st
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This would be our team and assets PRIOR to an Ant trade. Next summer, we’ll have likely a pick around #5, the MIA late 1st, over $60m off the books.
 
BankTeller said:
After some more in-depth research, this is what I would want from Miami: Jovic, Martin, 24/28/30 unprotected 1sts, unprotected 27/29 swaps for Dame and Nurk. Lowry for salary matching.

From Brooklyn: Clowney, best of the 27 PHI/PHX/DAL 1st for Herro. ONeal and Dinwiddie needed for salary matching.

Trade for Capela, Wright.

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Ant(18)/Scoot(30)/Wright
Sharpe(32)/Ant(16)/Thybulle
Martin(30)/Thybulle(10)/Jovic(8)
Grant(32)/Clowney(10)/Jovic(6)
Capela(26)/Badji(12)/Clowney(10)

With these available picks:
2024 POR 1st
2024 MIA 1st
2024 POR 1st
2025 POR 1st
2026 MIA 1st
2027 POR/MIA swap
Best of 2027 PHI/PHX/DAL 1sts
2028 MIA 1st
2029 POR/MIA swap
2030 MIA 1st
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This would be our team and assets PRIOR to an Ant trade. Next summer, we’ll have likely a pick around #5, the MIA late 1st, over $60m off the books.
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I’d go Whitehead over Clowney.
 
Samuel said:
I’d go Whitehead over Clowney.
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I’d really hate to pick the SF over the PF/C. Clowney looks like he could be Claxton-ish on defense but also be a legit shooting threat. To me, Clowney looks like Jabari Smith without the potential to handle the ball. Whitehead isn’t a complete necessity right now, Clowney would be.
 
BankTeller said:
I feel like I’d rather just take Ben’s deal for the next two years and get an extra 1st or Noah Clowney from the Nets. I’d also like the 2029 PHX 1st. Otherwise, I think your trades are solid. Not having ONeal means that we can’t flip him to the Bulls for our 1st back, but why do that now when we’re going to be bad at least the next one or two seasons?
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Yeah that's also an option. But I want the best of BKN/DAL/PHX in 2029.
 
BankTeller said:
I’d really hate to pick the SF over the PF/C. Clowney looks like he could be Claxton-ish on defense but also be a legit shooting threat. To me, Clowney looks like Jabari Smith without the potential to handle the ball. Whitehead isn’t a complete necessity right now, Clowney would be.
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I guess I’m just BPA about it. Whitehead dealt with injuries and a messy Duke program in his freshman year. #2 prospect coming out of high school with 3/D and leadership upside.

Hear what you’re saying though.
 
wizenheimer said:
but this is why I wouldn't want Clowney and Whitehead and instead would prefer future first's

I think people are really overestimating how many picks and assets Brooklyn would kick in as the 3rd wheel on this trade
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One SNY reporter intimated that Miami would be kicking in assets to get off Herro. Ha.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's not likely at all, IMO. Miami's 2026 pick will be more valuable than their 2024 pick, and OKC already owns the 2026 pick, unprotected.

the only thing OKC might be willing to do is release their hold on the 2025 pick since it's lottery protected while the 2026 is unprotected. Unprotected picks are more valuable than lottery protected picks. And in 2026 Dame will be 36 and Butler 37 so Miami might not be as good

but even if OKC did that freeing up Miami's 2024 first, that pick would likely be in the 25-30 range. Not much value for Portland.
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Yeah Portland should try to get the 2024, and try to get Caleb Martin, but if the Blazers can get everything else in negotiations and not these items I'm probably still pulling the trigger. I just tried to hypothetically list the max assets Miami can send and it's actually a pretty nice return. Especially if Herro can get a good pick or two.
 
wizenheimer said:
why are people excited about the contortions necessary for Portland to get a 1st next season that would likely be in the 25-30 range?

I get that people want to squeeze every drop of blood possible from Miami, I'm in favor of it too, but it seems to be a lot of focus on a minor asset. It's a molehill and there are mountains to climb

and there's no reason for OKC to cooperate by giving up draft leverage, without getting something in return.
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As in my previous post I agree getting the 2024 pick isn't critical, it's probably the least valuable of the 7 picks/swaps I listed.

But it does have some value so that's why I listed it.

OKC would get something of value, the 2026 pick unprotected is more valuable than the 2025 protected pick they currently own.
 
wizenheimer said:
I noticed you didn't highlight the two defensive metrics.

Herro is a much better rebounder; a 9% rebound rate is actually pretty good for a SG. He's a little better passer. Herro was measured 2.25" taller at the combine. He's a year younger. And he's big enough to have some wing versatility...Ant has none

I'd much rather have Herro than Ant. But the reality is I'd rather not have either. They both have some of the same flaws



I'm curious, what are the ways that Ant can score that Herro can't?
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I think if you were running an NBA team it'd have nothing but vet minimums and rookie scale players on the roster.
 
wizenheimer said:
people might need to slow their role a little bit

Think about it...what if Cronin/Schmitz are geniuses at player evaluation. That would mean in 2026, Sharpe, Jovic, and Rupert would all be due for new contracts. And the following summer, Scoot, Murray, Clowney, and Whitehead would all be due for their extensions

a team just can't have that many players graduating from rookie scale to 2nd contracts in two years. Now obviously, some will fail. But it's still better to have 2 or 3 in a two year period than 7
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That's something tha Blazers should worry about at the 2026 deadline. We're a long ways from having too many stars or proven role players deserving huge contracts.

We don't need a solution to a non existent "problem".
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Key point is Herro can be on a good defense team.
Ant is a primary reason why Portland's defense has been trash.
Both are contributing to the respective team's results

Not sure your argument holds as much value as you think it does
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Ant is not responsible for Portland's defensive issues. Defense was trash before he was a starter, was trash when he missed games, was trash when he was on the bunch. I wish it were that simple.
 
wizenheimer said:
I noticed you didn't highlight the two defensive metrics.

Herro is a much better rebounder; a 9% rebound rate is actually pretty good for a SG. He's a little better passer. Herro was measured 2.25" taller at the combine. He's a year younger. And he's big enough to have some wing versatility...Ant has none

I'd much rather have Herro than Ant. But the reality is I'd rather not have either. They both have some of the same flaws

I'm curious, what are the ways that Ant can score that Herro can't?
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Herro also meaured with a negatve wingspan. (6'3" compared to Ant's 6'7") I would not want either one of them guarding wings.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Herro also meaured with a negatve wingspan. (6'3" compared to Ant's 6'7") I would not want either one of them guarding wings.
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This is true. His short wing span sets him apart from the average NBA player. This quirk has become the bane of his existence.

Tyler often finds himself grappling with everyday challenges. Things fall behind his locker in the Heat's dressing room, and poor Tyler reaches out desperately, only to watch them slip further away. To his dismay, he realized his shorter wingspan hinders him from retrieving his fallen treasures.

The struggle reached a whole new level when it came to the art of unclasping a woman's bra. Tyler, bless his heart, finds himself fumbling with the intricacies of those tiny hooks. His shorter wingspan makes him a well-intentioned but utterly inefficient unhooker of bras. It has become a running joke among his teammates, and they lovingly tease him, but it has destroyed his self confidence.
 
Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte said:
This is true. His short wing span sets him apart from the average NBA player. This quirk has become the bane of his existence.

Tyler often finds himself grappling with everyday challenges. Things fall behind his locker in the Heat's dressing room, and poor Tyler reaches out desperately, only to watch them slip further away. To his dismay, he realized his shorter wingspan hinders him from retrieving his fallen treasures.

The struggle reached a whole new level when it came to the art of unclasping a woman's bra. Tyler, bless his heart, finds himself fumbling with the intricacies of those tiny hooks. His shorter wingspan makes him a well-intentioned but utterly inefficient unhooker of bras. It has become a running joke among his teammates, and they lovingly tease him, but it has destroyed his self confidence.
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OK, OK, but does it hinder him from performing his janitorial duties?
 
andalusian said:
OK, OK, but does it hinder him from performing his janitorial duties?
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I wasn't planning on getting into that because the Heat janitorial staff lives by a pretty tight culture code (e.g., weight check-ins, no discussion with outside press, very serious prep of Pat Riley's bedet, but there are a few tidbits I can drop.

The first incident occurred when Tyler volunteered to help clean up after a particularly messy post-game celebration. Armed with a mop, he quickly realized that his limited wingspan made it nearly impossible to reach those stubborn stains in the corners. While his effort was commendable, the janitor couldn't help but chuckle as Tyler's mop barely made a dent in the mess. Tyler eventually got frustrated and yelled "fuck all you little turds, I'm gonna go kick it with some IG models." In response, one of the janitorial staff told him "Good luck unlocking their bras big man." Jimmy Butler loved that shit.

The second incident took place during a charity event where the Heat players were tasked with tidying up the community center. Tyler, ever eager to lend a hand, picked up a broom and attempted to sweep the floor. However, his short wingspan proved to be a significant hindrance as he struggled to cover a decent amount of ground. The other players couldn't help but tease him, comparing his sweeping technique to that of a T-Rex trying to dust off a bookshelf.
 
Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte said:
I wasn't planning on getting into that because the Heat janitorial staff lives by a pretty tight culture code (e.g., weight check-ins, no discussion with outside press, very serious prep of Pat Riley's bedet, but there are a few tidbits I can drop.

The first incident occurred when Tyler volunteered to help clean up after a particularly messy post-game celebration. Armed with a mop, he quickly realized that his limited wingspan made it nearly impossible to reach those stubborn stains in the corners. While his effort was commendable, the janitor couldn't help but chuckle as Tyler's mop barely made a dent in the mess. Tyler eventually got frustrated and yelled "fuck all you little turds, I'm gonna go kick it with some IG models." In response, one of the janitorial staff told him "Good luck unlocking their bras big man." Jimmy Butler loved that shit.

The second incident took place during a charity event where the Heat players were tasked with tidying up the community center. Tyler, ever eager to lend a hand, picked up a broom and attempted to sweep the floor. However, his short wingspan proved to be a significant hindrance as he struggled to cover a decent amount of ground. The other players couldn't help but tease him, comparing his sweeping technique to that of a T-Rex trying to dust off a bookshelf.
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Thank you sir. I now understand why Portland is reluctant to bring him in the trade.
 
BlazerBender said:
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I think "cooperate" is the wrong word here. I still believe that the Heat are the most likely team for a Dame trade, and despite the likely tampering from the Heat, I think the Blazers are willing to send him there... if their package is both 1) reasonably worthy of a superstar like Dame; and 2) the best package available. I'd be very disappointed if the Blazers were to "acquiesce" to Dame's demand.

It really all depends on what the Heat can find for Herro. If this drags out for awhile, that indicates to me that the Heat can't find a taker willing to give worthwhile assets.
 
Riley has to find a way to make this work. The Heat getting to the finals this year was a fluke based on Butler getting crazy hot while other teams had injuries/melt downs to major stars. With little capital to work with, the Heat have no other moves that could net them a guy with Dame's abilities. This means Riley's combing the league looking for other teams that will take Herro's bloated contract and give the Blazers some better first round picks and ending contracts.
 
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