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I could be wrong but I think I read that Jac just signed his deal meaning he cannot be traded for 30 or 60 days forget the rule.
 
Anyone know the ceiling on Jovic? I remember people complaining about the Pau for Kwame deal but Memphis got Marc Gasol in that deal as a throw in. He turned out to be one of the best centers in the league.
 
BankTeller said:
Ant is better. He’s actually shown glimpses of being a lead guard, and makes a flat $25m/year compared to Herro who will make $27, 29, 31 and 33m.

Herro is taller, but not a point guard.
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Ant isnt a point guard either.
All around player- Id put Herro as slight better player.
 
The Miami part is clear to me:

MIA Gets: Damian Lillard, Jusuf Nurkic
MIA Trades: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry, Nikola Jovic, 2024, 2028, 2030 1sts (2026 unprotected to OKC as part of Oladipo trade), POR right to swap in 2025, 2027 & 2029

Then it becomes a situation where Herro's value to a 3rd team needs to be maximized.

Brooklyn could be interesting because I could see them having interest in Herro and a need for Lowry. The rumor is they're open to acquiring Herro. They've already agreed to a pending trade with Joe Harris' $19.9M contract going to Detroit with no money back. Brooklyn can trade Royce O'Neale to Miami or another destination who matches with the pending Oladipo to OKC trade. Dinwiddie & Sumner included to match salary. Portland could try to get Clowney or Whitehead thrown in. My favorite idea for Brooklyn's pick compensation is them sending a 2029 1st via BKN/PHX/DAL to Portland because the odds of that being a high pick are greater.

BKN Gets: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry
BKN Trades: Joe Harris (to DET), Royce O'Neale, Spencer Dinwiddie, Edmond Sumner, 2029 1st (Best of BKN/PHX/DAL)

Chicago recently applied for a disabled player extension for Lonzo Ball that they could use to trade for Royce O'Neale. Portland could try to get their 2024 1st back in such a move.

CHI Gets: Royce O'Neale, 2nd round pick(s) via BKN, MIA, & POR
CHI Trades: 2024 POR 1st (Back to Portland)

So in the end:

POR Trades: Damian Lillard, Jusuf Nurkic
POR Gets: Spencer Dinwiddie, Edmond Sumner, Nikola Jovic, a $45.6M Traded Player Exception*, Four 1st Round Picks, 2 First Round Swaps, and their 2024 1st Back

*Edmond Sumner and Nikola Jovic would be absorbed into the Hart and GP2 TPE and Jusuf Nurkic matches Spencer Dinwiddie, thus turning Damian Lillard's contract a TPE.

I would buy out Dinwiddie's contract.

Portland's Picks:
2024 POR 1st
2024 MIA 1st
2025 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2026 POR 1st
2027 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2028 POR 1st
2028 MIA 1st
2029 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2029 BKN/DAL/PHX (best of the 3)
2030 POR 1st
2030 MIA 1st

Those 1st round picks have the potential to be at the top of the draft and are unprotected, and the timing matches up with Scoot Henderson's and Shaedon Sharpe timeline to make an all-in splash around them.

Portland would have apx. $50M in cap space for the 2024 off-season. Potentially more if they trade Simons/Grant for expirings and assets in the next year.

2023-2024 Lineup

Henderson (33) / Simons (15)
Simons (20) / Sharpe (18) / Sumner (10)
Sharpe (16) / Thybulle (18) / Rupert (16)
Grant (24) / Murray (24)
Paul Reed? (24) / Tavares? (15) / Grant (9)
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't see a reason for them to have to dump Simmons.
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I'm real conflicted on this. On one hand Simmons is only 26 and is tall and seems to try hard on the defensive side. My hope in rebuilding around Scoot and Shaedon is that defense will be made a priority in how the team is built. Maybe Simmons fits into that if the Blazers can get though to him.

On the other hand, We're likely to have a young impressionable team. Simmons is widely thought of as a cancer. I don't want that on a rebuilding team.
 
A third team will likely have to be involved.

In my opinion, I would try to see if Detroit is interested.

I don't get the particular impression that they were sold on the Thompson twins like Houston and Portland was. Thus, they may like Herro, Jaquez, one Miami pick (the other one would be re-routed to Chicago), and Portland's 2024 pick (possibly unprotected even).

Move some players around like Lowry (Portland buyout), Bagley (Portland), Hayes (Heat) around to balance it out

In this fantasy scenario, Blazers get to rebuild with a young trio in Scoot-Ausar-Sharpe and Pistons get two guard/forwards that can shoot and therefore, balance their roster out. Meanwhile, they get a piece to rebuild with in this year's draft (which is a weak one and not something worth as much to Portland like the 2023 pick was).

Then, the Blazers focus on trying to get Cam Boozer or Cooper Flagg in the 2026 draft
 
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ebott said:
I'm real conflicted on this. On one hand Simmons is only 26 and is tall and seems to try hard on the defensive side. My hope in rebuilding around Scoot and Shaedon is that defense will be made a priority in how the team is built. Maybe Simmons fits into that if the Blazers can get though to him.

On the other hand, We're likely to have a young impressionable team. Simmons is widely thought of as a cancer. I don't want that on a rebuilding team.
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I would expect Simmons to be moved. But is he really a cancer in the locker room? I don't know the answer, but I thought he was only a problem when he refused to show up.
When he plays, is he a problem with his teammates?
 
I don’t see anyway around getting a young Center prospect back somehow, I think that will happen.
 
BonesJones said:
The Miami part is clear to me:

MIA Gets: Damian Lillard, Jusuf Nurkic
MIA Trades: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry, Nikola Jovic, 2024, 2028, 2030 1sts (2026 unprotected to OKC as part of Oladipo trade), POR right to swap in 2025, 2027 & 2029

Then it becomes a situation where Herro's value to a 3rd team needs to be maximized.

Brooklyn could be interesting because I could see them having interest in Herro and a need for Lowry. The rumor is they're open to acquiring Herro. They've already agreed to a pending trade with Joe Harris' $19.9M contract going to Detroit with no money back. Brooklyn can trade Royce O'Neale to Miami or another destination who matches with the pending Oladipo to OKC trade. Dinwiddie & Sumner included to match salary. Portland could try to get Clowney or Whitehead thrown in. My favorite idea for Brooklyn's pick compensation is them sending a 2029 1st via BKN/PHX/DAL to Portland because the odds of that being a high pick are greater.

BKN Gets: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry
BKN Trades: Joe Harris (to DET), Royce O'Neale, Spencer Dinwiddie, Edmond Sumner, 2029 1st (Best of BKN/PHX/DAL)

Chicago recently applied for a disabled player extension for Lonzo Ball that they could use to trade for Royce O'Neale. Portland could try to get their 2024 1st back in such a move.

CHI Gets: Royce O'Neale, 2nd round pick(s) via BKN, MIA, & POR
CHI Trades: 2024 POR 1st (Back to Portland)

So in the end:

POR Trades: Damian Lillard, Jusuf Nurkic
POR Gets: Spencer Dinwiddie, Edmond Sumner, Nikola Jovic, a $45.6M Traded Player Exception*, Four 1st Round Picks, 2 First Round Swaps, and their 2024 1st Back

*Edmond Sumner and Nikola Jovic would be absorbed into the Hart and GP2 TPE and Jusuf Nurkic matches Spencer Dinwiddie, thus turning Damian Lillard's contract a TPE.

I would buy out Dinwiddie's contract.

Portland's Picks:
2024 POR 1st
2024 MIA 1st
2025 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2026 POR 1st
2027 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2028 POR 1st
2028 MIA 1st
2029 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2029 BKN/DAL/PHX (best of the 3)
2030 POR 1st
2030 MIA 1st

Those 1st round picks have the potential to be at the top of the draft and are unprotected, and the timing matches up with Scoot Henderson's and Shaedon Sharpe timeline to make an all-in splash around them.

Portland would have apx. $50M in cap space for the 2024 off-season. Potentially more if they trade Simons/Grant for expirings and assets in the next year.

2023-2024 Lineup

Henderson (33) / Simons (15)
Simons (20) / Sharpe (18) / Sumner (10)
Sharpe (16) / Thybulle (18) / Rupert (16)
Grant (24) / Murray (24)
Paul Reed? (24) / Tavares? (15) / Grant (9)
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Well done. Takes into account a lot of aspects and finally gets us out of that onerous trade deficit we had left over from Olshey. Would that be the largest TPE in NBA history?
 
MrDraftGuy said:
A third team will likely have to be involved.

In my opinion, I would try to see if Detroit is interested.

I don't get the particular impression that they were sold on the Thompson twins like Houston and Portland was. Thus, they may like Herro, Jaquez, one Miami pick (the other one would be re-routed to Chicago), and Portland's 2024 pick (possibly unprotected even).

Move some players around like Lowry (Portland buyout), Bagley (Portland), Hayes (Heat) around to balance it out

In this fantasy scenario, Blazers get to rebuild with a young trio in Scoot-Ausar-Sharpe and Pistons get two guard/forwards that can shoot and therefore, balance their roster out. Meanwhile, they get a piece to rebuild with in this year's draft (which is a weak one and not something worth as much to Portland like the 2023 pick was).

Then, the Blazers focus on trying to get Cam Boozer or Cooper Flagg in the 2026 draft
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That is projected to be the next 'good' Draft. Imagine adding a piece like that to the early 20's Slash Bros!
 
LayneStaley said:
I don’t see anyway around getting a young Center prospect back somehow, I think that will happen.
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Who are the options besides Claxton? I have not heard any other names and I don't think the Nets are giving him up unless it is for Dame
 
TBpup said:
Well done. Takes into account a lot of aspects and finally gets us out of that onerous trade deficit we had left over from Olshey. Would that be the largest TPE in NBA history?
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Yes it would be
 
wizenheimer said:
I wish people would stop penciling in Miami's 2024 1st round pick coming to Portland. They can't trade the damn thing. It's not a trade asset
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Yeah, Miami can only trade their FRPs starting in 2028. So the most we could get from them would be 2028 and 2030.
 
wizenheimer said:
I wish people would stop penciling in Miami's 2024 1st round pick coming to Portland. They can't trade the damn thing. It's not a trade asset
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Miami already agreed to trade Victor Oladipo to OKC, who they owe their 2025 1st round pick to (protected in 2025, unprotected in 2026). It's likely that Miami can get OKC to agree to simply make it a protected 2026 1st round pick or an uprotected 2024 1st round pick with the 2026 MIA 1st going to Portland).

BonesJones said:
The Miami part is clear to me:

MIA Gets: Damian Lillard, Jusuf Nurkic
MIA Trades: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry, Nikola Jovic, 2024, 2028, 2030 1sts (2026 unprotected to OKC as part of Oladipo trade), POR right to swap in 2025, 2027 & 2029
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IMHO :

POR gets package centered around Duncan Robinson, Jovic, expirings, and whatever picks they can muster. It won't be a very good haul. Robinson plays no defense though he can shoot alright.
 
The key to a Heat trade is how you can spin Herro to get more assets if you cannot do that then trading Dame to the Heat is a little harder to swallow cause your prolly only getting 70 to 75% of Dame's value back.
 
BonesJones said:
The Miami part is clear to me:

MIA Gets: Damian Lillard, Jusuf Nurkic
MIA Trades: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry, Nikola Jovic, 2024, 2028, 2030 1sts (2026 unprotected to OKC as part of Oladipo trade), POR right to swap in 2025, 2027 & 2029

Then it becomes a situation where Herro's value to a 3rd team needs to be maximized.

Brooklyn could be interesting because I could see them having interest in Herro and a need for Lowry. The rumor is they're open to acquiring Herro. They've already agreed to a pending trade with Joe Harris' $19.9M contract going to Detroit with no money back. Brooklyn can trade Royce O'Neale to Miami or another destination who matches with the pending Oladipo to OKC trade. Dinwiddie & Sumner included to match salary. Portland could try to get Clowney or Whitehead thrown in. My favorite idea for Brooklyn's pick compensation is them sending a 2029 1st via BKN/PHX/DAL to Portland because the odds of that being a high pick are greater.

BKN Gets: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry
BKN Trades: Joe Harris (to DET), Royce O'Neale, Spencer Dinwiddie, Edmond Sumner, 2029 1st (Best of BKN/PHX/DAL)

Chicago recently applied for a disabled player extension for Lonzo Ball that they could use to trade for Royce O'Neale. Portland could try to get their 2024 1st back in such a move.

CHI Gets: Royce O'Neale, 2nd round pick(s) via BKN, MIA, & POR
CHI Trades: 2024 POR 1st (Back to Portland)

So in the end:

POR Trades: Damian Lillard, Jusuf Nurkic
POR Gets: Spencer Dinwiddie, Edmond Sumner, Nikola Jovic, a $45.6M Traded Player Exception*, Four 1st Round Picks, 2 First Round Swaps, and their 2024 1st Back

*Edmond Sumner and Nikola Jovic would be absorbed into the Hart and GP2 TPE and Jusuf Nurkic matches Spencer Dinwiddie, thus turning Damian Lillard's contract a TPE.

I would buy out Dinwiddie's contract.

Portland's Picks:
2024 POR 1st
2024 MIA 1st
2025 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2026 POR 1st
2027 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2028 POR 1st
2028 MIA 1st
2029 POR 1st (right to swap w/ MIA)
2029 BKN/DAL/PHX (best of the 3)
2030 POR 1st
2030 MIA 1st

Those 1st round picks have the potential to be at the top of the draft and are unprotected, and the timing matches up with Scoot Henderson's and Shaedon Sharpe timeline to make an all-in splash around them.

Portland would have apx. $50M in cap space for the 2024 off-season. Potentially more if they trade Simons/Grant for expirings and assets in the next year.

2023-2024 Lineup

Henderson (33) / Simons (15)
Simons (20) / Sharpe (18) / Sumner (10)
Sharpe (16) / Thybulle (18) / Rupert (16)
Grant (24) / Murray (24)
Paul Reed? (24) / Tavares? (15) / Grant (9)
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Ok so I have seen quite a few potential trades from Miami, and what I don't understand is why we wouldn't demand Caleb Martin and Jaquez as well?

To me, Miami has to send out these assets in addition to whatever we can get for Herro,

Jovic
Martin
Jaquez Jr
2028 FRP
2030 FRP

Then whatever we can get for Herro on top of that. Otherwise Miami is making out like a fucking bandit.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
To me, a Heat trade only makes sense if Herro can be redirected to another team who would actually give us value for him. I've come around on the idea of a Miami/ Brooklyn 3-way deal with Simmons and picks/prospects coming back. For me to be satisfied, there would need to be at least 4 FRP's, and probably at least 3 of Claxton/Clowney/Whitehead/Jovic/Jaquez
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Boost that to 5 picks and 3+ Of those players and Im with you. Also, make sure Miami has to pay ALOT. They can keep Bam and Butler but if they balk at sending out Martin for us to get value from a third partner then can suck it.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Heat get Dame and Nurk

Blazers get Lowry, Caleb Martin, Nikola Jovic, Jaime Jasquez (#18 pick last month)
2024 1st unprotected
2028 1st unprotected
2030 1st unprotected
2027 1st swap unprotected
2029 1st swap unprotected
2026 2nd
2029 2nd
2030 2nd
2026 1st Atlanta from San Antonio
2028 1st Boston from San Antonio
2024 2nd Lakers from OKC

Spurs get Herro

Heat first have to ask OKC to take the 2026 pick unprotected instead of the 2025 protected pick they are now owed. OKC does this as an unprotected pick has way more value and give us one of their least valuable 2nds. This frees up the heat to give us 2024 unprotected.

I actually think this is a solid trade package. 5 years of Heat unprotected picks if they really suck post Dame/Butler run which seems highly possible if not likely. 5 total 1st round picks. 3 quality cheap NBA players in Jovic, Martin, and Jasquez. No long term bad contracts and we get out of Nurks overpaid deal.

If the Heat say it's to much then we say fine, we explore other teams offers. We publicly say we've offered to trade Dame to the Heat but their not willing to accept our offer so we're exploring offers from other teams. That also puts the responsibility on Dame to pressure the Heat to accept the deal if it's truly his #1 destination.
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I love it. The thought process. The depth of the Heat’s pain and also us getting a monster return for Dame and dumping Nurkic. A beautiful post. I regret I have but one like to give. *doff my hat to you*
 
Idog1976 said:
Boost that to 5 picks and 3+ Of those players and Im with you. Also, make sure Miami has to pay ALOT. They can keep Bam and Butler but if they balk at sending out Martin for us to get value from a third partner then can suck it.
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Balking at sending out a guy who has been a bench player most of his career for a guy who will instantly make them a favorite to win the NBA title.....sillyness.
 
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