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B-Roy said:
Lmao? Herro has never come close to 50/40/90. His career TS% is 56% which is about league average. Ant was 58% last year.
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Herro defense stats was a lot better then Simons while Simon started Stats was barely better then herro. Herro per was better then Simons so I rather have Herro then I would Simons.
 
Samuel said:
The day I no longer have to think about making a market for a volume-shooting, below-average defense guard will be a great day.

With Herro, I think that is squarely a Goodwin/Riley concern.
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Really makes you wonder where, exactly, the wildly varying rumors of Herro's value in trades is coming from (okay, wonder might be too strong of a word...)

If its true that teams are wanting to be paid to take him -- and his upcoming contract is pretty ludicrous, that has the potential to make this thing a non-starter, especially as Joe is given more and more time to shop Dame deals elsewhere...
 
Sell-low Joe or Stay-firm Joe?

What say you? There are obviously better packages than what Miami is offering. If we send him there, it's yet another Cronin move where he prioritized the player's wishes rather than the return to better the franchise.
 
Now some of you want to turn on Ant like some turned on Dame -- some of you fans are disgusting so fair weather it makes me sick. I will concede it possible Ant is overrated but let's see him this season since he will be the alpha maybe co-alpha while scoot is learning the NBA ropes then we can judge him.
 
glazeduck said:
Really makes you wonder where, exactly, the wildly varying rumors of Herro's value in trades is coming from (okay, wonder might be too strong of a word...)

If its true that teams are wanting to be paid to take him -- and his upcoming contract is pretty ludicrous, that has the potential to make this thing a non-starter, especially as Joe is given more and more time to shop Dame deals elsewhere...
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I'd say the fact that Miami made it to the NBA finals without Herro probably crushed a lot of his value
 
Samuel said:
"We'd love to help facilitate this trade. We'll take 2 seconds for taking on Herro and will send you back this expiring guy. Love being a facilitator for you. :)
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Yep. There's the rub...
  1. The Heat believe Herro has at least solid value.
  2. The Blazers want that value, but don't want Herro for obvious reasons.
  3. Other teams seem to be interested in Herro, but are apparently not interested in providing any significant value in return.
Honestly, it's why I would imagine Ben Simmons-like scenarios are more likely if it's going to happen. Would you pay two firsts to swap (enter really bad contract here) for Herro? Maybe... do I expect a team to give significant value (i.e. 1st-round picks) for Herro alone? No way.
 
LayneStaley said:
That rep Dame spent a decade building is getting tarnished by the day.
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My guess is he's really uncomfortable with all of this but it's at the point of no return. Prob figured the fans would all have his back. Dames crew started tarnishing and throwing shade at brass long before Brass did the same, if at all.

He's making his own bed. His future. At this point, i doubt we ever see him back in Portland, even after his career.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Now some of you want to turn on Ant like some turned on Dame -- some of you fans are disgusting so fair weather it makes me sick. I will concede it possible Ant is overrated but let's see him this season since he will be the alpha maybe co-alpha while scoot is learning the NBA ropes then we can judge him.
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I've had 5 years of watching Ant. I think that is plenty of time to judge him fairly. He can get hot shooting offensively, but the rest of his game has huge holes in it. I haven't seen enough growth and development to think he's going to become decent in those other areas.
 
I'd love a collection of 4 or 5 future first's with no protection....but I'm growing very pessimistic that will happen

what I expect: Dame (and maybe Nurkic) for Simmons, O'Neal, Jovic + Miami's 2028 & 2030 first's and a 2029 swap...and, one first round pick from Brooklyn
 
wizenheimer said:
I'd love a collection of 4 or 5 future first's with no protection....but I'm growing very pessimistic that will happen

what I expect: Dame (and maybe Nurkic) for Simmons, O'Neal, Jovic + Miami's 2028 & 2030 first's and a 2029 swap...and, one first round pick from Brooklyn
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So Miami gets Dame for Jovic, Herro, 2 1s and a swap?
 
wizenheimer said:
I'd love a collection of 4 or 5 future first's with no protection....but I'm growing very pessimistic that will happen

what I expect: Dame (and maybe Nurkic) for Simmons, O'Neal, Jovic + Miami's 2028 & 2030 first's and a 2029 swap...and, one first round pick from Brooklyn
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If we don't get JJJ and Martin, I'm going to be pissed. They're already sending us a steaming pile of shit.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I've had 5 years of watching Ant. I think that is plenty of time to judge him fairly. He can get hot shooting offensively, but the rest of his game has huge holes in it. I haven't seen enough growth and development to think he's going to become decent in those other areas.
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it's CJ 2.0
 
wizenheimer said:
I'd love a collection of 4 or 5 future first's with no protection....but I'm growing very pessimistic that will happen

what I expect: Dame (and maybe Nurkic) for Simmons, O'Neal, Jovic + Miami's 2028 & 2030 first's and a 2029 swap...and, one first round pick from Brooklyn
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There's a lot of pessimistic posts like this -- not just from you -- on the board... I'm curious what indications are you seeing that make you think we'll accept so little? Or is it juts purely because Joe's taken lesser deals in his other trades?

To me, the longer this drags out, the better it is for our package. And by most accounts, it doesn't seem like anything's getting finalized anytime soon...
 
Natebishop3 said:
If we don't get JJJ and Martin, I'm going to be pissed. They're already sending us a steaming pile of shit.
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I don’t think we get Martin but not getting Jaquez is stupid. Least I take in a 3 way with Mia/Bky is…

Jaquez/Jovic/Simmons/2 1s ea(4 total)
 
They should ask for Jaquez, Jovic and Martin regardless of what happens. Martin is worth at least a few seconds at worst. They should also ask them to free up the OKC pick. If they can free up the OKC pick completely, they can offer 4 1sts and 3 swaps. That would get the deal dine.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If we don't get JJJ and Martin, I'm going to be pissed. They're already sending us a steaming pile of shit.
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I get that and the main factor there is squeezing Miami for everything you can. Hopefully Cronin can draw a line that puts those two assets on the Blazers. I'm not confident he can draw that line though
 
B-Roy said:
They should ask for Jaquez, Jovic and Martin regardless of what happens. Martin is worth at least a few seconds at worst. They should also ask them to free up the OKC pick. If they can free up the OKC pick completely, they can offer 4 1sts and 3 swaps. That would get the deal dine.
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how could they free up that 2026 unprotected pick? Why would OKC accept that without stealing value from Portland

I won't credit it as realistic but I suppose a thought would be Herro to OKC for that pick obligation
 
wizenheimer said:
how could they free up that 2026 unprotected pick? Why would OKC accept that without stealing value from Portland
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If I'm OKC I would MUCH rather have 2026 than 2025. The 2026 draft is much better. There's no reason for them to NOT want to shift the pick to 2026.
 
wizenheimer said:
how could they free up that 2026 unprotected pick? Why would OKC accept that without stealing value from Portland

I won't credit it as realistic but I suppose a thought would be Herro to OKC for that pick obligation
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Yes, the idea is Herro to free up that pick obligation, either by going to OKC or going to someone else and using whatever Herro returns to flip that to OKC and get the pick back.

But regardless, the onus to do that is on the HEAT, not the Blazers. Heat need to find out how to free it up. There are 29 other teams. You have Herro, JJJ and Martin as tools to get that pick back somehow (Blazers value Jovic IMO). Figure it out.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If I'm OKC I would MUCH rather have 2026 than 2025. The 2026 draft is much better. There's no reason for them to NOT want to shift the pick to 2026.
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I understand that and have said it numerous times. But I was asking how Miami could talk OKC out of that 2026 unprotected pick. That's
s what BRoy said Miami needed to do
 
wizenheimer said:
I understand that and have said it numerous times. But I was asking how Miami could talk OKC out of that 2026 unprotected pick. That's
s what BRoy said Miami needed to do
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Ah yeah, that's not happening. There's not enough value to get OKC to give that up.
 
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