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No one wants Herro.....might even have to pay to get him moved. So not shocking that moving Ant/Nurk didn't bring a lot of value to add to Dame.
 
Lights Out said:
To piggyback on the Claxton talk. Every year I look at areas the Blazers need to improve. I go through stats and look for players that fit those needs. There ends up being a couple fits at different positions that I become enamored by. This year has been Claxton at C. I could be overrating him because I like the fit and now I am gassed up. Or maybe last year was a fluke. Or he doesn't translate to the Blazers, but I'd rather trade and see. Or even extend him as a show of good faith. Risky, I know

Why?

-Defends at 3 levels

-Can defend 1-5. BKN switched a lot this year

-3rd in DPOY voting amongst centers. In front of Allen

-4th in the league in opponent FG % within 6ft

-8th in the league in defending 2pt FG

-lead the league in number of times per game defending iso 2.7Fg 0.79ppp 36.2fg% 78.7 percentile

-Defends the 3 at 34%. This is on 4 FG attempts per game Interestingly Dame, Grant and Nurk were at 37.9, 38.6 and 38.5 respectively. Simons 32.5 on 4.5 FG, strange

-2nd in blocks. Many of them live ball TO. Est over 70%. I watched all his blocks this year, should have counted live ball but didn't

-Was 4th in Def win share at 4, according to BBref

-Looks like a good help defender

-lead the league in FG% at .705

-90th percentile in the pick an roll as the role man

-Is good at cutting. could be better at finishing but not bad 3.2fg 1.32 ppp 51.9 percentile bam 32.6 Ayton 44.5

-good rebounder

-Showing some signs of being able to dribble and drive

-A bit of a mean streak

-Looks like he has solid hands. But I haven't watched full games

-Plays well in transition. Looks good running the floor 1.5Fg 1.38ppp 80.0fg% 88.9 percentile

-Pretty low turnover rate

-Low usg, but impacts the game doing things the blazers are missing

-Seems like a high motor guy, pretty fluid, but highlight video. Who knows

-Played 76 games last year

Watched a video of him talking about working on a jumper. He knows he can't rely solely on athleticism for his whole career. In the same video talked about liking being the point of attack defender

Downsides I have seen so far-

-FT shooting is bad.

-Gets in foul trouble by being too aggressive

-Can get bulled by bigger Centers. Doesn't handle defending the post well. Luckily not as many of those around, but still Jokić and Embid

-Not great in defending the pick and roll around 11% percentile. But Simmons is in 98% . Neither defends it a lot, both .7 pos a game

Probably more issues that I haven't seen yet

The one area I'd like to know more on is pick setting and navigating

Overall, he fits the timeline and has experience. Center is an area where I think the Blazers should spend capital to make sure you a have a good prospect who is well on their way

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If we had a player that good, and still young, would we want to give him up for basically just taking on a bad contract?
 
TBpup said:
No one wants Herro.....might even have to pay to get him moved. So not shocking that moving Ant/Nurk didn't bring a lot of value to add to Dame.
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He’s a 23 year old who is basically a 50/40/90 guy on good volume. He’s not a fit for us

He’s a slightly better version of Ant
 
Simmons, Claxton, and all of Miami's former first rounders, with 3 unprotected picks for Dame and Nurk?

Hero and Nurk go to BK.


Ok i guess
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Claxton is great but that's why he'd cost a lot in a trade. Would you prefer him for 1 year or two great first round picks?
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If they are offering Claxton in a trade I would prefer it over a pick. If it's for 2 picks, I'd think hard about it, depending on the picks I guess. Without knowing exactly, I would probably still take a flyer on Nic. Because it takes finding a starting level center off the to do list for now. Less holes to fill and it would be nice to get at least 1 starter at a position of need from trading Dame. It helps balance the roster. It will shore up the rebounding to make up for Grant. Nic does a lot that the team currently doesn't. It also sets a good defensive precedent for the young guys to buy into. Another lob threat would be nice. I hope Scoot isn't lob-phobic, so any extra targets is a plus to me. I'd like to set them up for some near term success if possible. I don't expect miracles though

I get the allure of picks, I feel the same, but obviously nothing is guaranteed about them or the draft being good. Or even if Claxton stays long term or is the right fit. I do think forgoing some capital now to help the youth is positive, I would rather aim for something foundational. Is Claxton it, I don't know. I get that it's best to build through the draft. But this team has squandered taking shots at getting difference makers and everyone was unhappy with that decision. And how many picks does this team need in the future? I'd definitely like more because the CBA changes a lot. Rookie contracts are so valuable, it may be better to just take the picks. I also don't want to end up watching a farm team. I am not saying that will happen, but man how long do we have to wait around

They need to take at least a few calculated risks, Claxton or otherwise. I think everyone can agree that we want this team to be more aggressive for once this decade. Here is hoping that it is finally being forced upon them

In the end Claxton could still be traded at any time if necessary for a pick, maybe 2.
 
Mediocre Man said:
He’s a 23 year old who is basically a 50/40/90 guy on good volume. He’s not a fit for us

He’s a slightly better version of Ant[/QUO
He actually better then Simons he actually his defense stats actually pretty good for a guard a lot better then Simons. Offensely he not to shabby either.
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Mediocre Man said:
He’s a 23 year old who is basically a 50/40/90 guy on good volume. He’s not a fit for us

He’s a slightly better version of Ant[/QUO
He actually better then Simons he actually his defense stats actually pretty good for a guard a lot better then Simons. Offensely he not to shabby either.
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SharpesTriumph said:
It would be better to have Claxton go to a third team or stay with Brooklyn and pick(s) go to Portland. Blazers don't need the immediate benefit of Claxton helping a contender win next season. They'd be better off with a long term asset like a pick(s).
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Ok, take the two FRP's now and clear the decks to sign Claxton when he becomes a free agent!
 
I am so happy this seems to be a messed up response. I thought I may be having a stroke
 
One comment I heard on NBA radio that I found interesting was that the Jazz might want to get involved in the trade. Not for Dame but that Ainge might be willing to be that 3rd or 4th team and take on Herro for draft picks. I assume they would have to send out matching salaries to someone.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
If we had a player that good, and still young, would we want to give him up for basically just taking on a bad contract?
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I wouldn't trade him if I were the Nets. There have been a lot of rumors about them wanting to since February and more recently. Could it be that they don't want to pay him? They could think the money is better spent elsewhere. They still have another young center in Day'Ron Sharpe. Could he be ready? He's cheaper and under contract for 2 more seasons. I have read or heard somewhere they may want KAT, Ayton or some other big prize they value. So not tying money up in Claxton could be a reason. Maybe getting Hero is enough or Ant or both. I am not sure. But with all the guard play necessary these days, they could value that more than Claxton. It could be cutting Miami out with Dame and Nurk going to Brooklyn, if the Blazers could get Dame to be more flexible. Nic isn't perfect by any means and I am sure we will all be able to find faults if he happens to come here. Who knows, I am not holding my breath it will happen though
 
Pinwheel1 said:
One comment I heard on NBA radio that I found interesting was that the Jazz might want to get involved in the trade. Not for Dame but that Ainge might be willing to be that 3rd or 4th team and take on Herro for draft picks. I assume they would have to send out matching salaries to someone.
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That's the problem is, it seems many teams will take on Herro for picks, but that doesn't help a 3 team deal when the team sending Herro already doesn't have enough assets to complete the deal. We don't need someone to take on Herro because of his salary, we need someone to give value for him to us.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ugh… yeah very mediocre haul.
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Lets be a bit more realistic perhaps about what we can get back for Dame. Yeah he's really good "now", but he's 33 with 4 yrs at 216 mi remaining, that's IMO reduces somewhat his "value" in a trade. I will be very pleased as a Blazer fan to have that contract off the books
 
RR7 said:
That's the problem is, it seems many teams will take on Herro for picks, but that doesn't help a 3 team deal when the team sending Herro already doesn't have enough assets to complete the deal. We don't need someone to take on Herro because of his salary, we need someone to give value for him to us.
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And while people in Portland seem to value Simons over Herro, most people I have talked to in other cities think that Herro is better. Really puts into perspective how much value Simons has.
 
RR7 said:
That's the problem is, it seems many teams will take on Herro for picks, but that doesn't help a 3 team deal when the team sending Herro already doesn't have enough assets to complete the deal. We don't need someone to take on Herro because of his salary, we need someone to give value for him to us.
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I think @Pinwheel1 was saying that the Jazz would be giving up draft picks for Herro. I don't think Herro has negative trade value. He's young, has good experience, he's a lights out shooter and a hard worker on defense. Pinwheel please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
blazerkor said:
I think @Pinwheel1 was saying that the Jazz would be giving up draft picks for Herro. I don't think Herro has negative trade value. He's young, has good experience, he's a lights out shooter and a hard worker on defense. Pinwheel please correct me if I'm wrong.
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If nobody will trade for him (or Simons for that matter) it means they are negative value.
 
blazerkor said:
I think @Pinwheel1 was saying that the Jazz would be giving up draft picks for Herro. I don't think Herro has negative trade value. He's young, has good experience, he's a lights out shooter and a hard worker on defense. Pinwheel please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Ah, I can see it read that way. Thanks!
 
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