Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors (5 Viewers)

[HansenYang]

Went through this entire thread to see if this was there. Just posturing? Or does this lend credence to rumors Herro might go elsewhere like to the Spurs? If true this would really destroy a lot of ideas for including NJ.
@princengy

Ian Begley on WFAN says “Nets want to be compensated if they are taking on Tyler Herro”

https://heatnation.com/rumors/repor...pensated-for-taking-on-tyler-herros-contract/

Hopefully Brooklyn is taking this stance because they want Dame themselves.
Theres a rumor that Ntes have a nice package on the tables.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Went through this entire thread to see if this was there. Just posturing? Or does this lend credence to rumors Herro might go elsewhere like to the Spurs? If true this would really destroy a lot of ideas for including NJ.
@princengy

Ian Begley on WFAN says “Nets want to be compensated if they are taking on Tyler Herro”

Of course they want to be compensated. I daresay that Dame wants to go to MIA and Riley wants to get him without giving up much in return. But want =/= get... good job asking, though.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hopefully Brooklyn is taking this stance because they want Dame themselves.
Theres a rumor that Ntes have a nice package on the tables.

They can do better. I’d want Clowney at least.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I think it lends credence that we tell Miami to go fuck itself.

That's what I keep saying. what good does it do to include a third team if Miami just doesn't have the assets?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Blazers can't swap their 2027 first because of Bulls. Well, I guess it could be a contingent swap if the Blazers were in the lottery, but that wouldn't make sense

The Blazers could have a 2027 contingent swap based on the Blazers yes being in the lottery or making the playoffs in any of 2024, 2025, or 2026.

In other words the only way a Blazers Miami contingent 2027 swap would not be available was if the Blazers missed the playoffs for all of 2024, 2025, and 2026; then made the playoffs in 2027. That exact outcome seems unlikely, so a 2027 contingent pick swap would still likely have little reduction in value even though its contingent.

If a Miami trade is a 3way and the Blazers get an unprotected 2027 first from for example SAS or BRK then the swap could be guaranteed as well as the Blazers retaining the best pick(s).

For example if its the Phoenix 2027 pick, the Blazers could get the best two of Phoenix, Miami, PDX picks, or if the Blazers pick has the unlikely outcome in 2027 of going to Chicago, then PDX gets just the best of Phoenix/Miami.

 

[BrianFromWA]

That's what I keep saying. what good does it do to include a third team if Miami just doesn't have the assets?

I've been replaying this since Friday in my head...

Riley: "You can have anything and everything on our roster except Bam and Jimmy."
Cronin & Team: (checks MIA roster)
Cronin: "Thanks Pat...I'mma call BKN and BOS real quick."

 

[TBpup]

It seems like, that for all the talk out of Miami that Herro is this amazing young player, they sure are having difficulty getting rid of him and may have to actually PAY to do so. What an absolute joke.

 

[inconceivable]

Pat Riley's age is a MAJOR component in all this. The Blazers must hold until we get a real offer

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I don't view Martin as being as consequential to our rebuild as you do... I'd rather have Jaquez and I think the Heat would rather have Martin. Also in order to get us three firsts the Heat would have to reach an agreement with the Thunder to change the protections they have on the first the Thunder are owed. Herro also needs to be flipped we obviously don't need another guard as one of our most valuable assets.

Martin has a ton of value, he's a legit two way starter making $6 million for the next two years.

His value is more as a trade piece than directly playing for the Blazers on a rebuild. I wouldn't be surprised if a contender that has an injury or something at the deadline gives the Blazers two future firsts for Martin.

 

[Natebishop3]

It seems like, that for all the talk out of Miami that Herro is this amazing young player, they sure are having difficulty getting rid of him and may have to actually PAY to do so. What an absolute joke.

Which isn’t at all surprising because nobody wants Simons.

 

[blazerfan11]

I've been replaying this since Friday in my head...

Riley: "You can have anything and everything on our roster except Bam and Jimmy."
Cronin & Team: (checks MIA roster)
Cronin: "Thanks Pat...I'mma call BKN and BOS real quick."

Cronin: And good luck making it back to the Finals in your lifetime.

 

[blazerkor]

Wow! This is a really great article about how because of pending trades that both the Heat and Nets have with other teams, we could combine those trades with ours and we wouldn’t have to take back any salaries we don’t want.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/damian-...brooklyn-heres-how-the-trade-could-look-like/

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Jrue Holiday thought Marcus Smart won DPOY. Beverly not on their level.

Yeah, I suggested who was available instead of someone who wasn't. Beverly could be a good fit actually.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Here is another scenario I'll list, starting with the addition picks;

4 First round picks unprotected (2028 Miami, 2030 Miami, 2027 Phx from Brooklyn, 2024 Miami*)
3 second round picks - 2026 2029 2030 from Miami (not pictured below)
2 pick swaps unprotected (2027 and 2029 from Miami)




- Jaquez can't be traded for 30 days so this trade can be agreed to in principle then officially get completed July 31st
- Caleb Martin likely goes to a 3rd team contender in this trade, later in the summer, or by the deadline for 1-2 first round picks.
- The Dinwiddle-Lowry PG swap is done primarily to match $$$ so nobody has to take on Duncan Robinsons contract and Miami is still below the 2nd apron. There are alternatives such as Lowry going to PDX instead for Nurk and Little.
- If Brooklyn doesn't want this type of deal Mia/PDX can shop other 3rd teams such as the Spurs. The Blazers getting a 2027 first from the 3rd team allows them to guarantee the availability of the 2027 pick swap with Miami.
- Blazers would be a bit closer to the tax line with this deal depending on how Grants contract is structured or Thybulle being resigned. If a bit more luxury tax room is needed the Blazers could get Martin sent out to a trade exception or send out Little/Keon in this trade.
- There is huge value in owning Miami draft equity unprotected all four years of 2027-2030. Once Dame and Butler decline that franchise could start panicking since they don't have control of any first round picks leading to more win now moves which sort of makes a self fulfilling prophecy of them eventually going deep into the lottery.
*Miami 2024 pick would be freed to trade if OKC accepts modification of their 2025 protected pick they are owed from Miami which is delayed until 2026 if not conveyed in 2025. OKC could be given unprotected 2026 pick instead and that would free up Miami to give the Blazers their 2024 pick. In theory OKC should have to give up value for this benefit, such as a second round pick going to Portland

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Replaced Dinwiddle from Brooklyn with Nurk/Little/Keon. Rosters balance better with Portland and Brooklyn only taking on 1 player each and Miami losing two. Simpler way of viewing the deal without OKC - although if they aren't involved that 2024 first needs to be removed. Also removed swaps just so its easier to visualize. If I'm Cronin I insist on keeping swaps/2nd in this deal

 

[Sean.ivity]

I don't understand why this is so hard for the Heat to find a 3rd team to make this trade happen asap. Im under the impression from the NBA fans on the internet that making trades happen is super easy.

 

[maxiep]

Went through this entire thread to see if this was there. Just posturing? Or does this lend credence to rumors Herro might go elsewhere like to the Spurs? If true this would really destroy a lot of ideas for including NJ.
@princengy

Ian Begley on WFAN says “Nets want to be compensated if they are taking on Tyler Herro”

https://heatnation.com/rumors/repor...pensated-for-taking-on-tyler-herros-contract/

I cannot tell you HOW MUCH I LOVE THIS. So, Tyler Herro went from being the "centerpiece" of a trade for Dame to having negative value? Fantastic!

 

[maxiep]

Hopefully Brooklyn is taking this stance because they want Dame themselves.
Theres a rumor that Ntes have a nice package on the tables.

If we can create a bidding war between powers in the East (Miami, Brooklyn, Philly, Boston, etc.) over Dame, we could SERIOUSLY cash in. We just need to be patient.

 

[BankTeller]

They can do better. I’d want Clowney at least.

I’d take Clowney and Whitehead instead of Claxton.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If we can create a bidding war between powers in the East (Miami, Brooklyn, Philly, Boston, etc.) over Dame, we could SERIOUSLY cash in. We just need to be patient.

He’s most likely going to Miami.

 

[maxiep]

He’s most likely going to Miami.

Most likely, but not at the current offer price.

 

[Natebishop3]

I’d take Clowney and Whitehead instead of Claxton.

I’d rather have Claxton because Nurk needs to go too.

 

[HansenYang]

It seems like, that for all the talk out of Miami that Herro is this amazing young player, they sure are having difficulty getting rid of him and may have to actually PAY to do so. What an absolute joke.

This should give Blazer fans some insight on what Ant's market value is

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Here is a visualization of how much draft equity the Blazer could do if Cronin is able to negotiate this trade very well. Flip Caleb Martin to the Mavericks for their 2027 pick unprotected as well as a 2030 swap unprotected with them. Dallas is desperate to contend with Luka so they'd certainly consider it as Martin might be their 2nd/3rd best starter.



Blazers compensation is a legit HAUL and I'll rank in terms of value picks, swaps, 2nds;

2030 unprotected first from Miami
2028 unprotected first from Miami
2027 unprotected first from Phoenix
2027 unprotected first from Dallas
2024 unprotected first from Miami

2027 swap where the Blazers keep the best picks Two or likely THREE of Miami/Phoenix/Dallas/Portland picks and the Heat keep the worst
2029 swap where the Blazers keep the best of Miami/Portland
2030 swap where the Blazers keep the best of Dallas/Portland

2030 2nd round pick
2029 2nd round pick
2026 2nd round pick

 

[BankTeller]

I’d rather have Claxton because Nurk needs to go too.

Nurk fits in one of their TPEs so he’s gone, and we can just trade for Capela who makes $20m the next two years for 2nds. I wouldn’t mind that at all. Capela is a decent fill-in while we find a long-term replacement at C.

 

[Natebishop3]

Nurk fits in one of their TPEs so he’s gone, and we can just trade for Capela who makes $20m the next two years for 2nds. I wouldn’t mind that at all. Capela is a decent fill-in while we find a long-term replacement at C.

Claxton is way younger and he fits our timeline.

 

[blazerkor]

I don't understand why this is so hard for the Heat to find a 3rd team to make this trade happen asap. Im under the impression from the NBA fans on the internet that making trades happen is super easy.

I think there are likely multiple offers from the Heat on the board with at least one other team. I would imagine that Joe is trying to find better offers that he can use to leverage Riley to give more... maybe not more directly to us but more to a third or fourth team who has the type of assets we would want.

 

[blazerkor]

I’d take Clowney and Whitehead instead of Claxton.

Yeah, I just worry that Claxton will leave or we will have to give him a deal that is very painful for our team to keep him.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think there are likely multiple offers from the Heat on the board with at least one other team. I would imagine that Joe is trying to find better offers that he can use to leverage Riley to give more... maybe not more directly to us but more to a third or fourth team who has the type of assets we would want.

The problem is that Riley only has so much to give and even his best offer is pretty shit.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yeah, I just worry that Claxton will leave or we will have to give him a deal that is very painful for our team to keep him.

Plus Claxton has a ton of value for a team trying to win immediately this year, while the Blazers are not. I'd rather try to get some of those Phoenix draft picks Brooklyn has than Claxton. Even if we can resign him he may have a Grant type of contract in a year screwing up our cap until 2029.