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I know I just keep repeating the same thing, but Ben Simmons is a potential win now move with a nice group of young guys the develop. Mindset is everything, and Simmons playing in Portland with an exciting group of young guards could be really fun. Risk and reward.

"You've seen people lose confidence in their game... Like Ben Simmons... He's still the same Ben Simmons we watch dominate in Philly. The only difference... is confidence... I know how it feels to lose confidence." —Draymond Green
 
AmirIcon said:
Yes. You got it.

Jaylen Brown to Houston where he wants to go.

Two out of Amen Thompson, Tari Eason and Jabari Smith come here in addition to 1st round picks.

Too bad Joe will get some late 1st round prospects instead.
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Brown wants HOU?? Had no idea. To each his own …
 
Cugel said:
Brown wants HOU?? Had no idea. To each his own …
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They're trying to get better with veterans now. Udoka is there and he's still very tight with Brown. I think it's a match made in heaven. They'd probably shell out that super max too.
 
Physically, if the back is healthy, Simmons is the ideal. I would take a flier on him too. Could he come off the bench and run an offense?
 
Cugel said:
Physically, if the back is healthy, Simmons is the ideal. I would take a flier on him too. Could he come off the bench and run an offense?
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You have to get some picks to take on him though. I also would be happy with being the Simmons rehab facility, but Portland has to be compensated with picks.
 
Simmons is such a knucklehead I'm not sure you want him around a young team

Although if you made him a *point* center or *point* power forward, and he ever became what he was, then that would definitely be a win.

I have my doubts all around.
 
Predator said:
Simmons is such a knucklehead I'm not sure you want him around a young team

Although if you made him a *point* center or *point* power forward, and he ever became what he was, then that would definitely be a win.

I have my doubts all around.
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I think it would be understood that a trade for Ben would mean having him sit at home until his contract expires. But if we aren’t getting an additional 1st for taking him, why bother taking him on.
 
Does anyone know what Jacquez can actually be? On one hand, I feel like getting back Martin and Jovic is a decent return with the 3 unprotected 1sts and pick swaps. Sharpe, Martin, and Grant are all shooters that Scoot can play with right away. We can find big men to play the PnR with Ant and Scoot.

Buuut if Jacquez was actually any good, maybe it’s better to have the young guy for another four years. We’d be worst in the near term to get better picks, but I’d rather get Martin and try to have a playoff run like the Grizzlies did a couple seasons ago or the Kings last year.
 
Predator said:
Simmons is such a knucklehead I'm not sure you want him around a young team

Although if you made him a *point* center or *point* power forward, and he ever became what he was, then that would definitely be a win.

I have my doubts all around.
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Could be the case though I think if he was around a young and fun team, with no expectations, in a smaller market like Portland he'd have a better chance to get back at least somewhat closer to what he was. Him being healthy "physically is likely a greater concern than mentally. Realistically very little would be "expected" of him so I think for him that would be a big deal "mentally".
 
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Portland gets: MIA 2027 First round pick, 2028 First round pick

Toronto gets something that makes them more interested
 
BankTeller said:
I think it would be understood that a trade for Ben would mean having him sit at home until his contract expires. But if we aren’t getting an additional 1st for taking him, why bother taking him on.
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I wonder what we could get if we traded his expiring contract.

If the new CBA is *that* big of a deal, maybe expirings will have more value than they did have as of late.

RLEC 2.0?

BSEC?
 
BankTeller said:
Does anyone know what Jacquez can actually be? On one hand, I feel like getting back Martin and Jovic is a decent return with the 3 unprotected 1sts and pick swaps. Sharpe, Martin, and Grant are all shooters that Scoot can play with right away. We can find big men to play the PnR with Ant and Scoot.

Buuut if Jacquez was actually any good, maybe it’s better to have the young guy for another four years. We’d be worst in the near term to get better picks, but I’d rather get Martin and try to have a playoff run like the Grizzlies did a couple seasons ago or the Kings last year.
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I kind of hate the "tank for position" philosophy (though it's seemed to work out for us the last two years). The Process (and by extension, Embiid and Simmons) didn't reach the potential partially because there was no accountability, no "play the right way", no "get into the system and get better by getting continuity with playing together the way we need to to win in the playoffs." That may be years away, but it's bad to not be building toward it immediately with the young guys. I'd rather have mature winners who prepare and play the right way, even without the ceiling (Sharpe and Scoot have that) on a rebuilding team.

Pop's actually (surprise, surprise) good at this...SAS actually was still running sets at the end last year, vice the DET and HOU "roll the ball out and whoever has it after halfcourt gets to shoot" seasons. Or whatever the heck we were doing at the end.
 
Additionally, I'm a fan of pick swaps and trading out for this reason. I'd like to control my own destiny as a team/front office. Keep winning, and our picks will be late firsts every year. But we can keep a cycle going where we're getting firsts for cap space and exceptions, saving teams hundreds of millions in repeater tax for a few future firsts or swaps. Trading players we drafted in the 2nd or UFAs who got better in S&Ts for picks and younger players. Make it so that the Draft Lottery is someone else's pick being conveyed to us. And build a winner.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Additionally, I'm a fan of pick swaps and trading out for this reason. I'd like to control my own destiny as a team/front office. Keep winning, and our picks will be late firsts every year. But we can keep a cycle going where we're getting firsts for cap space and exceptions, saving teams hundreds of millions in repeater tax for a few future firsts or swaps. Trading players we drafted in the 2nd or UFAs who got better in S&Ts for picks and younger players. Make it so that the Draft Lottery is someone else's pick being conveyed to us. And build a winner.
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That’s why I’m still a fan of pair Martin with Grant if we get Clowney and Jovic in return as well. I could only imagine the spacing Scoot will have. With the pace of play I’m imagining us playing, guards can average 20/10 and still play within a system. I think Scoot can average 10apg.

On offense, Martin and Grant are both great shooters. Sharpe is a budding #1 option on offense, and Grant is a really good third scorer who can get his own shot to bail out Scoot and Sharpe.

On defense, Martin is a hard-nosed defender and Grant is a great help defender. Scoot, Sharpe, and Grant also all have elite wingspans at their height. C remains a question but is a quick fix. Trade for Capela or Allen (for Grant) to fill that void.

Between Clowney, Jovic, Kris, Nas if you still want to include him, there are a handful of guys where a pop from one guy could turn us into the next Grizzlies.
 
BankTeller said:
That’s why I’m still a fan of pair Martin with Grant if we get Clowney and Jovic in return as well. I could only imagine the spacing Scoot will have. With the pace of play I’m imagining us playing, guards can average 20/10 and still play within a system. I think Scoot can average 10apg.

On offense, Martin and Grant are both great shooters. Sharpe is a budding #1 option on offense, and Grant is a really good third scorer who can get his own shot to bail out Scoot and Sharpe.

On defense, Martin is a hard-nosed defender and Grant is a great help defender. Scoot, Sharpe, and Grant also all have elite wingspans at their height. C remains a question but is a quick fix. Trade for Capela or Allen (for Grant) to fill that void.

Between Clowney, Jovic, Kris, Nas if you still want to include him, there are a handful of guys where a pop from one guy could turn us into the next Grizzlies.
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Good post.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Additionally, I'm a fan of pick swaps and trading out for this reason. I'd like to control my own destiny as a team/front office. Keep winning, and our picks will be late firsts every year. But we can keep a cycle going where we're getting firsts for cap space and exceptions, saving teams hundreds of millions in repeater tax for a few future firsts or swaps. Trading players we drafted in the 2nd or UFAs who got better in S&Ts for picks and younger players. Make it so that the Draft Lottery is someone else's pick being conveyed to us. And build a winner.
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I don't assign much value, at all, to pick swaps for a team like Portland. At least not over the next 3-4 years. Contrary to the prevailing optimism, I think it's going to be a few seasons before the Blazers are a +.500 team. A pick swap with Miami or Brooklyn in 2025 just won't be exercised. Now, a pick swap with Miami in 2029 is a different matter, especially if it's unprotected

New Orleans had a swap with the Lakers this draft, and it wasn't exercised; they have one with the Bucks next season that will almost certainly not be exercised. OKC had swap right with the Clippers this year and it wasn't exercised.

one positive aspect of the Blazers apparently talking to Miami and Brookln about a Dame trade is that the draft assets those two teams have are mostly 4-7 years out. That offer the potential that those teams could be shitty by then. They aren't shitty now
 
So no one wants Simmons fine, they get Lowry (expiring contract and they have a ton of those) and only have to give up one first PHX 2025 no protections and get rid of Ben. The Spurs give up two future firsts from ATL 2025 and 2027 no protections and the expiring contract of Dougie McBuckets in exchange for Herro. The Heat give up Herro, Lowry, Jovic, Jaquez and two future firsts of their own MIA 2028 and 2030 no protections. We end up giving up Dame and Nurk and getting 5 unprotected future firsts, Jaquez, Jovic, take Simmons and the expiring contract of McDermott. This trade would be completed on July 31st and we would have Miami shut down Jaquez and Jovic for the rest of Summer League.
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wizenheimer said:
I don't assign much value, at all, to pick swaps for a team like Portland. At least not over the next 3-4 years. Contrary to the prevailing optimism, I think it's going to be a few seasons before the Blazers are a +.500 team. A pick swap with Miami or Brooklyn in 2025 just won't be exercised. Now, a pick swap with Miami in 2029 is a different matter, especially if it's unprotected

New Orleans had a swap with the Lakers this draft, and it wasn't exercised; they have one with the Bucks next season that will almost certainly not be exercised. OKC had swap right with the Clippers this year and it wasn't exercised.

one positive aspect of the Blazers apparently talking to Miami and Brookln about a Dame trade is that the draft assets those two teams have are mostly 4-7 years out. That offer the potential that those teams could be shitty by then. They aren't shitty now
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Agree that swaps in the near term are of little value, but not "no value". That's why in the "3rd party" thread I looked mostly outside of the 2024/25 draft classes. But we are (luckily?) at the point where we probably don't need to swing for high lotto fences, especially in the next two semi-paltry drafts (though I think they're going to be better than many do, especially with all the upperclassmen who didn't come out this year precisely because next year was supposed to suck so badly) to get to our rebuild foundation. I'm not sure, even with 2-3 drafts between them, that HOU and DET are there.
 
blazerkor said:
So no one wants Simmons fine, they get Lowry (expiring contract and they have a ton of those) and only have to give up one first PHX 2025 no protections and get rid of Ben. The Spurs give up two future firsts from ATL 2025 and 2027 no protections and the expiring contract of Dougie McBuckets in exchange for Herro. The Heat give up Herro, Lowry, Jovic, Jaquez and two future firsts of their own MIA 2028 and 2030 no protections. We end up giving up Dame and Nurk and getting 5 unprotected future firsts, Jaquez, Jovic, take Simmons and the expiring contract of McDermott. This trade would be completed on July 31st and we would demand that Miami shuts down Jaquez and Jovic for the rest of Summer League.
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I would really hold out for Martin over Jaquez, plus pick swaps in 27 and 29. I have a hard time believing Spurs would give up 2 1sts for Herro. Otherwise, I like this deal.
 
BankTeller said:
I would really hold out for Martin over Jaquez, plus pick swaps in 27 and 29. I have a hard time believing Spurs would give up 2 1sts for Herro. Otherwise, I like this deal.
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Blazers can't swap their 2027 first because of Bulls. Well, I guess it could be a contingent swap if the Blazers were in the lottery, but that wouldn't make sense
 
Is anyone actually confident we could even get Martin from Pat in a move for Dame? Martin, Jovic, Herro, salaries and 3 1sts are what I would expect for Dame. Hold firm on getting Martin from them.
 
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