Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors (2 Viewers)

[BankTeller]

Claxton is way younger and he fits our timeline.

The way I see it, Claxton is going to be making a TON of money next summer. Not only that, he’s UFA, and I have no faith in us retaining an UFA unless it’s close to max.

The way I see it, if we could get Whitehead and Clowney instead of Claxton, do it. Clowney looks like he could be a version if Claxton one day, and Whitehead was considered a can’t miss prospect before the injuries and he can really shoot it. Both guys could be major fits next to Scoot if they become consistent shooters. Whitehead is a better prospect than Whitemore despite the injuries imo.

Brooklyn is going to want to compete. The way I see it, the Nets being semi-competitive weakens the picks going back to the Rockets, whose fans are always annoying when they’re good.

 

[blazerkor]

The problem is that Riley only has so much to give and even his best offer is pretty shit.

I really don't think it has to be. He can free up their 2024 pick pretty easily by sending a couple of second rounders to OKC and just giving them the 2026 pick instead of the lotto 2025 pick that would turn into 2026 if it fell in the lotto. That's three FRPs coming from them.

I think there has to be a team in the league that values Herro at two FRPs. I think Martin is probably valued at around a FRP.

I don't even think we need six first round picks to make it a good return for Dame especially if someone takes Nurk off of our hands and if we're getting back promising young talent like any combo of Jaquez, Jovic, Clowney, Whitehead or players like them.

 

[Labinot41]

god these Heat fans can go fuck themselves. They think just because they have Riley and Cronin is a new GM they cam fleece us and that we have no choice but to trade Dame to Miami and accept their garbage offer. Pls Joe for the love of god don't mess this up

 

[blazerkor]

Plus Claxton has a ton of value for a team trying to win immediately this year, while the Blazers are not. I'd rather try to get some of those Phoenix draft picks Brooklyn has than Claxton. Even if we can resign him he may have a Grant type of contract in a year screwing up our cap until 2029.

It's true we could honestly play Orlando Robinson at C this upcoming season or see how Ben Simmons would work at that position if that's the route we choose to go (taking on his case).

That's the beauty of where we are now at since Dame asked out. Before it made no sense when Cronin said that we were just in asset acquisition mode since the Summer before Joe took over all Dame could talk about was urgency but now all we are in is asset acquisition and evaluation mode. So we get as many assets as we can, we evaluate the talent we have and we have time (years) to figure this shit out.

It's kind of why I think Joe did Dame dirty and was really trying to force Dame to ask out but that's in the past now and I want Joe to do the best job possible because I don't see anyone taking his position in the near future. So... Go Joe!!!

 

[blazerkor]

god these Heat fans can go fuck themselves. They think just because they have Riley and Cronin is a new GM they cam fleece us and that we have no choice but to trade Dame to Miami and accept their garbage offer. Pls Joe for the love of god don't mess this up

It's just like Lakers fans. I'm sure there are a ton of reasonable fans that understand that if they get Dame that they will only do so by giving up all of the expendable value they have (Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, possibly Martin, up to three FRPs and a big expiring contract from Lowry).

I really do think that Riley will orchestrate a good deal for Dame with multiple teams, not a great one that has us talking about Joe the way we talked about KP after the 2006 draft but one where we won't be immediately calling for his head. Joe just has to get enough good offers from other teams to pull that good offer out of Riley.

 

[BankTeller]

Here is a visualization of how much draft equity the Blazer could do if Cronin is able to negotiate this trade very well. Flip Caleb Martin to the Mavericks for their 2027 pick unprotected as well as a 2030 swap unprotected with them. Dallas is desperate to contend with Luka so they'd certainly consider it as Martin might be their 2nd/3rd best starter.

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Blazers compensation is a legit HAUL and I'll rank in terms of value picks, swaps, 2nds;

2030 unprotected first from Miami
2028 unprotected first from Miami
2027 unprotected first from Phoenix
2027 unprotected first from Dallas
2024 unprotected first from Miami

2027 swap where the Blazers keep the best picks Two or likely THREE of Miami/Phoenix/Dallas/Portland picks and the Heat keep the worst
2029 swap where the Blazers keep the best of Miami/Portland
2030 swap where the Blazers keep the best of Dallas/Portland

2030 2nd round pick
2029 2nd round pick
2026 2nd round pick

Thanks for the visualization. That really is a haul, and I’d be seriously impressed if Cronin could pull this off.

I’d really prefer Clowney over Jaquez though, I think he’s a better fit for the team. I think we always have the ammo to land Capela by moving Simmons to a team like the Wizards, and Clowney could get a good 10-12mpg at backup C with Badji getting the last 10mpg at C.

Otherwise, yeah love this package. Ant and Grant could command picks as well as other young players and expirings.

We really could have the ammo to trade for a great star that asks out starting summer 2025, or cap space to sign Ingram (or valuable vets like PG or Jrue on short term deals). Dame has a player option in 26-27. That, plus the possibly high 1st rounders coming in every year, we could be set up for success for a long time.

My ultimate dream ending would be Dame coming back and winning one here with Scoot and Sharpe + vets he would benefit playing with even if it’s an old PG or Holiday + whatever other young guys we’ve kept + continuous young talent coming in every year.

 

[Freshtown]

The comments in this thread are so gross

 

[glazeduck]

He’s most likely going to Miami.

I'm sure that's what you're hearing, I have not doubt those talks are the farthest and I think there's probably some percentage of Cronin that wants to accommodate Dame. But it does feel like every day this thing doesn't get done, it gets a little farther from likely. Just my perception. With the way you've been dropping hints, your comment could very well mean that a deal is done and waiting for something to be announced...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Thanks for the visualization. That really is a haul, and I’d be seriously impressed if Cronin could pull this off.

I’d really prefer Clowney over Jaquez though, I think he’s a better fit for the team. I think we always have the ammo to land Capela by moving Simmons to a team like the Wizards, and Clowney could get a good 10-12mpg at backup C with Badji getting the last 10mpg at C.

Otherwise, yeah love this package. Ant and Grant could command picks as well as other young players and expirings.

We really could have the ammo to trade for a great star that asks out starting summer 2025, or cap space to sign Ingram (or valuable vets like PG or Jrue on short term deals). Dame has a player option in 26-27. That, plus the possibly high 1st rounders coming in every year, we could be set up for success for a long time.

My ultimate dream ending would be Dame coming back and winning one here with Scoot and Sharpe + vets he would benefit playing with even if it’s an old PG or Holiday + whatever other young guys we’ve kept + continuous young talent coming in every year.

Another benefit of getting the Heats picks and swaps is if we ever did want to trade back for Dame is the Heat would have a huge incentive to negotiate with us first, especially if they want to consider rebuilding.

Now I do think the bridge has been burned for Dame to just return next season, it's time for both parties to part ways.

But it's certainly possibly both parties decide to reunite one day in a number of years with some parallels to LeBron going back to Cleveland and winning a title.

 

[blazerkor]

The comments in this thread are so gross

I thought it looked like most sub reddits. You had a few people spouting off nonsense and other people (still Heat fans) calling them out on it. One guy said that if they weren't willing to give up everything outside of Jimmy, Bam and the guys they signed in free agency then they aren't serious about getting a guy like Dame.

 

[PCmor7]

Plus Claxton has a ton of value for a team trying to win immediately this year, while the Blazers are not. I'd rather try to get some of those Phoenix draft picks Brooklyn has than Claxton. Even if we can resign him he may have a Grant type of contract in a year screwing up our cap until 2029.

Why not use Claxton as this season's Josh Hart? Get a half-year out of him and trade him.

 

[BankTeller]

Why not use Claxton as this season's Josh Hart? Get a half-year out of him and trade him.

I think his value is higher when he’s on a team trying to win. Claxton might command two 1sts right now. I seriously doubt Claxton goes for that much at the deadline being stuck on the Blazers.

 

[Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte]

I really hope there's some way to buy low on Jarret Allen, I just can't figure out how Cleveland would figure into any of this. I'd settle for Deandre Ayton at this point as well. Time to gamble on upside, we don't have financial constraints (with Dame gone) and he can have all the shots with us that he wants. Not sure what Phoenix would want though.

 

[PCmor7]

I think his value is higher when he’s on a team trying to win. Claxton might command two 1sts right now. I seriously doubt Claxton goes for that much at the deadline being stuck on the Blazers.

You wouldn't have to. You're getting him as part of the Lillard trade. It's already paid for. Anything you get back for him is profit. Even if it's a Josh Reddick and a late first.

 

[BankTeller]

You wouldn't have to. You're getting him as part of the Lillard trade. It's already paid for. Anything you get back for him is profit. Even if it's a Josh Reddick and a late first.

You do realize if you take Claxton instead of 2 rookies or 2 1sts and trade him at the deadline for Reddick and a late 1st, that’s a loss right?

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I don't understand why this is so hard for the Heat to find a 3rd team to make this trade happen asap. Im under the impression from the NBA fans on the internet that making trades happen is super easy.

You decided to make a rare visit to our forum just to be a smart ass?

 

[Natebishop3]

You decided to make a rare visit to our forum just to be a smart ass?

I mean he’s right. The Dame stans are all over Cronin because he couldn’t make a trade appear out of nowhere.

 

[BankTeller]

I really hope there's some way to buy low on Jarret Allen, I just can't figure out how Cleveland would figure into any of this. I'd settle for Deandre Ayton at this point as well. Time to gamble on upside, we don't have financial constraints (with Dame gone) and he can have all the shots with us that he wants. Not sure what Phoenix would want though.

A lot will depend on how he does in the playoffs. If he gets ran off the floor again, his value definitely decreases. Grant would be a perfect fit with Garland, Mitchell, and Mobley.

I just don’t see Ayton as a guy that will accept his role and contribute. If he’s demanding more touches on a contender, I can only imagine how many touches he’ll want on a teach with mostly rookies and sophomores. No thanks on Ayton.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I mean he’s right. The Dame stans are all over Cronin because he couldn’t make a trade appear out of nowhere.

I was just looking at his second sentence. "Im under the impression from the NBA fans on the internet that making trades happen is super easy." I thought could be referring to some of us when we dream up trades. I think most of us know it's not easy.
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[BankTeller]

The idea of Jovic is more intriguing the more I observe him. Always seems to make the right secondary play. Can shoot the ball like crazy. Pretty much 6’11 in shoes and isn’t too skinny, more out of shape.

Jovic has the size to be a legit PF or small ball C in the league to me. I’m talking a version of Ingles, Bogdanovic, Diaw, or Sengun.

But if he decided to become more agile and handle the ball more, I could see him being a Wagner or Giddey kind of player.

Not sure if he’s ever be good enough to start. But with his ability to make the right reads and shoot the ball, he’s a perfect fit with Scoot.

 

[cheesehoff]

Claxton is way younger and he fits our timeline.

Yeah, I can't think of a better fit at C than Claxton. He's only 24, but he's already proven to be exactly what we need. Very good defender that can block shots and quick enough to switch onto guards and not be a Matador. I'd also love to have Clowney. He actually looks like a PF clone of Claxton, but with a good looking shot. I just hope Cronin is as smart as me.

 

[Samuel]

The idea of Jovic is more intriguing the more I observe him. Always seems to make the right secondary play. Can shoot the ball like crazy. Pretty much 6’11 in shoes and isn’t too skinny, more out of shape.

Jovic has the size to be a legit PF or small ball C in the league to me. I’m talking a version of Ingles, Bogdanovic, Diaw, or Sengun.

But if he decided to become more agile and handle the ball more, I could see him being a Wagner or Giddey kind of player.

Not sure if he’s ever be good enough to start. But with his ability to make the right reads and shoot the ball, he’s a perfect fit with Scoot.

Not much of a defender at all. We’ll see if he can learn.

 

[blazerkor]

I mean he’s right. The Dame stans are all over Cronin because he couldn’t make a trade appear out of nowhere.

I don't think the Dame FANs thought that Cronin would make a trade out of nowhere. I think that we thought he was armed with the number 3 and 23 pick in a highly rated draft, according to Joe easily reattainable FRPs in 2026, 28 and 30 along with anywhere between 38 and 41M in salaries just from Ant and Nurk alone.

The idea that a trade or trades couldn't be made to appease Dame is nonsense. Cronin himself said in a presser following this past trade deadline that he would push all of his chips in and get a competitive, win now roster around Dame even if it meant some people thinking that we overpaid (his fucking words).

I don't know if it was before or after he drafted Scoot but all signs indicate that before that pick was ever made Joe planned on making Dame ask for a trade by saying one thing and doing the opposite time and time again because Cronin didn't want to look like the bad guy for wanting to trade Dame so he did everything he could to make Dame ask out and be the bad guy.

 

[Blazer509]

Boy did I get a bit too excited.

 

[Lights Out]

Yeah, I can't think of a better fit at C than Claxton. He's only 24, but he's already proven to be exactly what we need. Very good defender that can block shots and quick enough to switch onto guards and not be a Matador. I'd also love to have Clowney. He actually looks like a PF clone of Claxton, but with a good looking shot. I just hope Cronin is as smart as me.

To piggyback on the Claxton talk. Every year I look at areas the Blazers need to improve. I go through stats and look for players that fit those needs. There ends up being a couple fits at different positions that I become enamored by. This year has been Claxton at C. I could be overrating him because I like the fit and now I am gassed up. Or maybe last year was a fluke. Or he doesn't translate to the Blazers, but I'd rather trade and see. Or even extend him as a show of good faith. Risky, I know

Why?

-Defends at 3 levels

-Can defend 1-5. BKN switched a lot this year

-3rd in DPOY voting amongst centers. In front of Allen

-4th in the league in opponent FG % within 6ft

-8th in the league in defending 2pt FG

-lead the league in number of times per game defending iso 2.7Fg 0.79ppp 36.2fg% 78.7 percentile

-Defends the 3 at 34%. This is on 4 FG attempts per game Interestingly Dame, Grant and Nurk were at 37.9, 38.6 and 38.5 respectively. Simons 32.5 on 4.5 FG, strange

-2nd in blocks. Many of them live ball TO. Est over 70%. I watched all his blocks this year, should have counted live ball but didn't

-Was 4th in Def win share at 4, according to BBref

-Looks like a good help defender

-lead the league in FG% at .705

-90th percentile in the pick an roll as the role man

-Is good at cutting. could be better at finishing but not bad 3.2fg 1.32 ppp 51.9 percentile bam 32.6 Ayton 44.5

-good rebounder

-Showing some signs of being able to dribble and drive

-A bit of a mean streak

-Looks like he has solid hands. But I haven't watched full games

-Plays well in transition. Looks good running the floor 1.5Fg 1.38ppp 80.0fg% 88.9 percentile

-Pretty low turnover rate

-Low usg, but impacts the game doing things the blazers are missing

-Seems like a high motor guy, pretty fluid, but highlight video. Who knows

-Played 76 games last year

Watched a video of him talking about working on a jumper. He knows he can't rely solely on athleticism for his whole career. In the same video talked about liking being the point of attack defender

Downsides I have seen so far-

-FT shooting is bad.

-Gets in foul trouble by being too aggressive

-Can get bulled by bigger Centers. Doesn't handle defending the post well. Luckily not as many of those around, but still Jokić and Embid

-Not great in defending the pick and roll around 11% percentile. But Simmons is in 98% . Neither defends it a lot, both .7 pos a game

Probably more issues that I haven't seen yet

The one area I'd like to know more on is pick setting and navigating

Overall, he fits the timeline and has experience. Center is an area where I think the Blazers should spend capital to make sure you a have a good prospect who is well on their way

 

[SharpesTriumph]

You wouldn't have to. You're getting him as part of the Lillard trade. It's already paid for. Anything you get back for him is profit. Even if it's a Josh Reddick and a late first.

It would be better to have Claxton go to a third team or stay with Brooklyn and pick(s) go to Portland. Blazers don't need the immediate benefit of Claxton helping a contender win next season. They'd be better off with a long term asset like a pick(s).

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yeah, I can't think of a better fit at C than Claxton. He's only 24, but he's already proven to be exactly what we need. Very good defender that can block shots and quick enough to switch onto guards and not be a Matador. I'd also love to have Clowney. He actually looks like a PF clone of Claxton, but with a good looking shot. I just hope Cronin is as smart as me.

Claxton if great but he'll likely get a Grant like contract next summer. If the Nets want to give him to Portland for cheap of course do it. I just find that extremely unlikely and would prefer a pick or two instead.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Boy did I get a bit too excited.
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Heat can't do this deal as teams have to be around the luxury tax to acquire a player in a sign and trade like Grant. Heat are far into the tax.

Grant also can't get a 5th year in a sign and trade.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

To piggyback on the Claxton talk. Every year I look at areas the Blazers need to improve. I go through stats and look for players that fit those needs. There ends up being a couple fits at different positions that I become enamored by. This year has been Claxton at C. I could be overrating him because I like the fit and now I am gassed up. Or maybe last year was a fluke. Or he doesn't translate to the Blazers, but I'd rather trade and see. Or even extend him as a show of good faith. Risky, I know

Why?

-Defends at 3 levels

-Can defend 1-5. BKN switched a lot this year

-3rd in DPOY voting amongst centers. In front of Allen

-4th in the league in opponent FG % within 6ft

-8th in the league in defending 2pt FG

-lead the league in number of times per game defending iso 2.7Fg 0.79ppp 36.2fg% 78.7 percentile

-Defends the 3 at 34%. This is on 4 FG attempts per game Interestingly Dame, Grant and Nurk were at 37.9, 38.6 and 38.5 respectively. Simons 32.5 on 4.5 FG, strange

-2nd in blocks. Many of them live ball TO. Est over 70%. I watched all his blocks this year, should have counted live ball but didn't

-Was 4th in Def win share at 4, according to BBref

-Looks like a good help defender

-lead the league in FG% at .705

-90th percentile in the pick an roll as the role man

-Is good at cutting. could be better at finishing but not bad 3.2fg 1.32 ppp 51.9 percentile bam 32.6 Ayton 44.5

-good rebounder

-Showing some signs of being able to dribble and drive

-A bit of a mean streak

-Looks like he has solid hands. But I haven't watched full games

-Plays well in transition. Looks good running the floor 1.5Fg 1.38ppp 80.0fg% 88.9 percentile

-Pretty low turnover rate

-Low usg, but impacts the game doing things the blazers are missing

-Seems like a high motor guy, pretty fluid, but highlight video. Who knows

-Played 76 games last year

Watched a video of him talking about working on a jumper. He knows he can't rely solely on athleticism for his whole career. In the same video talked about liking being the point of attack defender

Downsides I have seen so far-

-FT shooting is bad.

-Gets in foul trouble by being too aggressive

-Can get bulled by bigger Centers. Doesn't handle defending the post well. Luckily not as many of those around, but still Jokić and Embid

-Not great in defending the pick and roll around 11% percentile. But Simmons is in 98% . Neither defends it a lot, both .7 pos a game

Probably more issues that I haven't seen yet

The one area I'd like to know more on is pick setting and navigating

Overall, he fits the timeline and has experience. Center is an area where I think the Blazers should spend capital to make sure you a have a good prospect who is well on their way

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Claxton is great but that's why he'd cost a lot in a trade. Would you prefer him for 1 year or two great first round picks?

 

[Mediocre Man]