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inconceivable said:
Agreed, no atom in Dame's body is capable of sitting out

If be best return for us means Dame ends in Philly, don't tell me he will complain playing with the MVP.

Dame himself mentioned he wants to play with Mikal and PG13 and OG. . Send him to Miami or Philly or Boston or Brooklyn or Totonto or LAC. . Whichever lands us best return
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I don't think Dame would sit out.

I also don't think teams want to be dealing with any degree of drama moving forward that may include questions from day one about Dame's commitment or them being in the same position as Portland in a season or two. Because of that, I do not believe the Blazers are likely to receive market value for Dame.
 
Dame is such a bad guy but according to a report from Haynes someone that is respected and this is part of what Haynes said

"This is something that Damian Lillard wants ( Heat trade ), but he also understands the situation the Blazers are up against. They want to make sure they get accurate value and assets in return. "

See he understands the Blazers need to get value back but no Dame is a prima donna according to one ( maybe others ) silly fan and selfish and other BS that fans have said about Dame.

I realize we all want this done so the team can move on but this is what happens when Cronin fails to do his job so he made this bed now he has to get this team out of it.
 
inconceivable said:
Agreed, no atom in Dame's body is capable of sitting out

If be best return for us means Dame ends in Philly, don't tell me he will complain playing with the MVP.

Dame himself mentioned he wants to play with Mikal and PG13 and OG. . Send him to Miami or Philly or Boston or Brooklyn or Totonto or LAC. . Whichever lands us best return
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Im sure Dame will be reasonable but Joe shouldn't tell him one thing then do another.
I see Blazers getting a list of 3/4 teams that he will be good with.
And I still think Balmer is going to try and acquire Dame some way....just a gut feeling
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Dame is such a bad guy but according to a report from Haynes someone that is respected and this is part of what Haynes said

"This is something that Damian Lillard wants ( Heat trade ), but he also understands the situation the Blazers are up against. They want to make sure they get accurate value and assets in return. "

See he understands the Blazers need to get value back but no Dame is a prima donna according to one ( maybe others ) silly fan and selfish and other BS that fans have said about Dame.

I realize we all want this done so the team can move on but this is what happens when Cronin fails to do his job so he made this bed now he has to get this team out of it.
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yep...How quick they turn on ya now days. Take ZERO prisoners. Sad
 
Blazinaway said:
Durant on another level, Mitchell much younger and much cheaper, GOBERT massive mistake and overpay that has many GM's getting a big time wake up call, and with all that this new CBA and uncertainties
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Feel like you can't say both Durant and Mitchell. Either Mitchell is way younger and cheaper (in which case, Dame's younger and way healthier than Durant, who makes just as much the next two years) or that Durant is way better and higher-ceiling (in which case Mitchell is decidedly inferior and can't hold Dame's jock in performance). Can't really have both for this exercise.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Dame is such a bad guy but according to a report from Haynes someone that is respected and this is part of what Haynes said

"This is something that Damian Lillard wants ( Heat trade ), but he also understands the situation the Blazers are up against. They want to make sure they get accurate value and assets in return. "

See he understands the Blazers need to get value back but no Dame is a prima donna according to one ( maybe others ) silly fan and selfish and other BS that fans have said about Dame.

I realize we all want this done so the team can move on but this is what happens when Cronin fails to do his job so he made this bed now he has to get this team out of it.
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If he understood, and was cool with Portland doing what they needed to do to "get accurate value and assets in return" he wouldn't give them 1 team only to trade to (who has no assets) and wouldn't be threatening to not report to teams other than Miami. So see, he doesn't understand that the Blazers need to get value back (or just doesn't care)
 
Fitz303 said:
If he understood, and was cool with Portland doing what they needed to do to "get accurate value and assets in return" he wouldn't give them 1 team only to trade to (who has no assets) and wouldn't be threatening to not report to teams other than Miami. So see, he doesn't understand that the Blazers need to get value back (or just doesn't care)
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I think Dame understands....I think he was so pissed off that he didn't care

now, if it was Haynes and Haynes actually said that it would seem to indicate that Dame's camp is seeing the negative fall-out from their 'scorched-earth-tak-no-prisoners' PR campaign and may be willing to compromise a little, or more than a little

as I said, it sure seems like Dame was really angry about the situation and I'd guess that Dame's agent and Pat Riley convinced him he could get away with this hard line stance without damage to his brand because Cronin would fold quickly and Riley was a master of the PR campaign
 
Brooklyn is giving up a lot in that scenario imho
 
wizenheimer said:
I think Dame understands....I think he was so pissed off that he didn't care

now, if it was Haynes and Haynes actually said that it would seem to indicate that Dame's camp is seeing the negative fall-out from their 'scorched-earth-tak-no-prisoners' PR campaign and may be willing to compromise a little, or more than a little

as I said, it sure seems like Dame was really angry about the situation and I'd guess that Dame's agent and Pat Riley convinced him he could get away with this hard line stance without damage to his brand because Cronin would fold quickly and Riley was a master of the PR campaign
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Yeah I think it's much more likely that he doesn't care at all at this point and he took some bad PR advice from his agent and the Heat. I was just responding to the last poster's assertion that Dame cares about Portland getting back value. He wants Miami, and that's it.

The way it publicly played out on his end is what's soured me on him, personally. I wasn't upset at all that he wanted out. I don't blame him, though I don't think Miami will be a real threat in the east after all is said and done either, and he probably should have stuck it out. I just hate the 1 team demand like he's a FA or has a NTC, or that Portland owes it to him to send him to any team of his desire regardless of return. It's crazy.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Dame is such a bad guy but according to a report from Haynes someone that is respected and this is part of what Haynes said

"This is something that Damian Lillard wants ( Heat trade ), but he also understands the situation the Blazers are up against. They want to make sure they get accurate value and assets in return. "

See he understands the Blazers need to get value back but no Dame is a prima donna according to one ( maybe others ) silly fan and selfish and other BS that fans have said about Dame.

I realize we all want this done so the team can move on but this is what happens when Cronin fails to do his job so he made this bed now he has to get this team out of it.
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Id have no issues if this quote was the whole story.
Its a different situation when his agent is going around and actively trying to dampen his market
 
Tince said:
On the flip side, Miami fans will be furious of Riley doesn't screw Portland over because they feel Portland has no other legitimate trade partner.

I don't think Portland is in a major position of strength in this situation, at all.
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In negotiation theory, there are the twin concepts of ZOA (zone of agreement) and BATNA (best alternative to negotiated agreement). When an offer falls outside the bounds of ZOA, you have BATNA. BATNA for us is to keep Dame. He can choose to play motivated and increase his value (getting the other team into our ZOA) or stay home. We're not winning anyway, so we're indifferent to him playing. My guess is, Dame is NOT indifferent to the idea of not playing. We use that leverage, that competitive itch, to drive up the price. Miami has also designed their roster to include Dame. They're stupped if they don't get him. Hence, the pressure isn't on us, it's on Dame and Miami.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Feel like you can't say both Durant and Mitchell. Either Mitchell is way younger and cheaper (in which case, Dame's younger and way healthier than Durant, who makes just as much the next two years) or that Durant is way better and higher-ceiling (in which case Mitchell is decidedly inferior and can't hold Dame's jock in performance). Can't really have both for this exercise.
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Yup
Mitchell younger but Dame better

Durant better but Dame younger and healthier

Dame's value somewhere in between
 
Natebishop3 said:
If we have Miami crammed down our throat, we should be getting anything not nailed down. If Joe fails to extract every last bit of value from Miami, when we're being force fed that crap team, I'm going to be furious. To me, that would be the ultimate failure on his part and he would need to go immediately.
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It’s not even about fury. It’s about being a mark to other GMs. Him losing this trade is an existential thing. He’d never be able to have a good faith negotiation again with other GMs.
 
maxiep said:
In negotiation theory, there are the twin concepts of ZOA (zone of agreement) and BATNA (best alternative to negotiated agreement). When an offer falls outside the bounds of ZOA, you have BATNA. BATNA for us is to keep Dame. He can choose to play motivated and increase his value (getting the other team into our ZOA) or stay home. We're not winning anyway, so we're indifferent to him playing. My guess is, Dame is NOT indifferent to the idea of not playing. We use that leverage, that competitive itch, to drive up the price. Miami has also designed their roster to include Dame. They're stupped if they don't get him. Hence, the pressure isn't on us, it's on Dame and Miami.
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I'm not saying Miami and Dame are without incentive to want a deal done. That certainly isn't the case. Just like we can move forward with Dame on the roster (and possibly not playing), Dame could choose to sit out, and Miami can move forward without Dame. All 3 parties can exist without a deal and all 3 parties likely benefit by a deal being agreed to.

If Dame was 100% committed to playing in Portland if no deal got done (like Durant in Brooklyn last year), then Portland would have no pressure. That doesn't appear to be the case though.
 
Tince said:
I'm not saying Miami and Dame are without incentive to want a deal done. That certainly isn't the case. Just like we can move forward with Dame on the roster (and possibly not playing), Dame could choose to sit out, and Miami can move forward without Dame. All 3 parties can exist without a deal and all 3 parties likely benefit by a deal being agreed to.

If Dame was 100% committed to playing in Portland if no deal got done (like Durant in Brooklyn last year), then Portland would have no pressure. That doesn't appear to be the case though.
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What pressure does Portland have from Dame not playing?
 
blazerfan11 said:
What pressure does Portland have from Dame not playing?
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  1. They would be paying $50m for an asset that is not bringing fans to the arena. This team seems to care about the bottom line.
  2. The players would continue to get asked about the situation, which some point may leave a bad taste in their mouth
  3. They risk the return of Dame going down.
Just like I'm not saying Miami or Dame aren't in the ideal situation for max leverage, Portland isn't either.
 
Tince said:
  1. They would be paying $50m for an asset that is not bringing fans to the arena. This team seems to care about the bottom line.
  2. The players would continue to get asked about the situation, which some point may leave a bad taste in their mouth
  3. They risk the return of Dame going down.
Just like I'm not saying Miami or Dame aren't in the ideal situation for max leverage, Portland isn't either.
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Alternatively they’re going to be paying $30m for Kyle Lowry to not show up.
 
andalusian said:
If this is what happens I am certain that is because the vulcans signed or pushed for it.

Let's not pretend any dame trade can be done without approval from ownership
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This is actually one of the few times I'm actively grateful we have Jody, it might actually be better in this specific instance to have Jody over Paul. I'm not even kidding. Why do I say this? Jody is phenomenally greedy, she's super patient because she doesn't care and doesn't have to care, and finally she massively stubborn. In this case those traits are AMAZING. Paul would have already traded Dame for peanuts because he would have felt he should out of loyalty and honor. Jody isn't worried about that kind of stuff and in this specific case it's pretty sweet. That said, isn't tomorrow the earliest Dame could be traded? Let's see what happens and hope Jody is as stubborn and greedy as we all think if she is, she might just be the perfect owner in this instance.
 
Samuel said:
Alternatively they’re going to be paying $30m for Kyle Lowry to not show up.
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I agree... I continue to say that Portland, Miami, nor Dame are in ideal leverage situations.

Where the Dame and Lowry situation differs is that Lowry isn't one of the best players in franchise history, in his prime, who brings a lot of people to the arena.
 
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Ripcity4life77 said:
Dame is such a bad guy but according to a report from Haynes someone that is respected and this is part of what Haynes said

"This is something that Damian Lillard wants ( Heat trade ), but he also understands the situation the Blazers are up against. They want to make sure they get accurate value and assets in return. "

See he understands the Blazers need to get value back but no Dame is a prima donna according to one ( maybe others ) silly fan and selfish and other BS that fans have said about Dame.

I realize we all want this done so the team can move on but this is what happens when Cronin fails to do his job so he made this bed now he has to get this team out of it.
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How do you know Cronin failed? I think he succeeded. Why do I say that? Rumors are that all trades for All-Star level guys would have required we part with Sharpe. Now, none of the rumors are around All-NBA level talents and therefore these were borderline All-Star level guys like Siakam and that range. I wouldn't trade Sharpe for Siakam straight up, and Toronto and other teams wanted Sharpe PLUS more assets. That ultimately boils down to keeping Sharpe or Dame. Cronin made the right choice if that's the case OR perhaps there were no deals. In no way do I see evidence that Cronin was incompetent other than the LAC trade and that was pretty clearly a tax and money saving maneuver as has been gone over ad nauseum. You can also fault the trading of the first for Grant that became Duren, but in that case he was attempting to appease Dame without wiping out the cupboard and likely we will recoup that pick for Grant in the future now that he's under contract. I think Cronin has done very well thus far, but the Dame trade will make or break his career.
 
LayneStaley said:
At this point I’d do Clowney/Jovic/4 1s

I want him outta here.
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Isn't that incredibly close to a BEST CASE scenario in terms of realistic scenarios? Of course I'd do that! Might as well get Whitehead too though ahahha.
 
Samuel said:
I'd take Whitehead over Jokic, Jaquez or Clowney.

Mikey likes him too:

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that was 2 years ago against essentially high school competition

last season, at Duke, he averaged 8.3 points and 2.4 rebounds. He only had a 6.8% rebound rate which is very weak for college; and he only shot 41% on two's. And he didn't get to the FT line. He did shoot 43% on college three's on 98 attempts but that's about the only encouraging stat he had. Statistically, he looks like a one-trick pony (Allen Crabbe?), but I've never seen him play. Statistically speaking, I'm not impressed, but I might be missing something

I saw Jaquez play in college quite a few times. He's competent and can do a lot of things. From what I know (which isn't a lot), I'd rather have him than Whitehead. But it won't come down to having to choose between the two
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I do find it very curious that as of yet, according to Spotrac, neither Clowney or Whitehead have signed their rookie scale yet. In fact, if you look at their draft page, only 3 first round picks haven't signed, and the other one who hasn't, besides the Net's duo, was involved in a draft day trade:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/draft/

I doubt it has to do with a Dame trade, but the coincidence is certainly noticeable
 
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