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This guy..... I swear he thinks he's on The Ladies Man

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oldfisherman said:
Agree, BUT.

Dame is two months older than Jimmy. They make the same amount, but Jimmy's contract is 1 season shorter.

Maybe the trade sends Jimmy to third team instead of Hero?

If the choice is keeping Dame, or trading for Jimmy. Jimmy would be the better fit.
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Jimmy is almost a full year older than Dame. He will be 34 in September. Dame just turned 33.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's simply not true at all

yes, Dame is responsible for the Miami-or-bust posture, or at least he's accountable; I'm pretty sure that Aaron Goodwin and Pat Riley have as many fingerprints on that posture as Dame

* but it wasn't Dame who made max offers to Roy Hibbert, Enes Kanter, Greg Monroe, and Chandler Parsons.
* It wasn't Dame who let Aldridge and Lopez walk for nothing.
* It wasn't Dame who drafted Meyers Leonard when Draymond and Middleton were available; or CJ when Giannis was available.
* It wasn't Dame who spent over 340M on CJ, Crabbe, Turner, Meyers, Harkless, & Ezeli in 2016.
* It wasn't Dame who made CJ untouchable in trade talks for Paul George and Jimmy Butler.
* It wasn't Dame who drafted Zach Collins when Adebayo, Donovan Mitchell, John Collins Jarrett Allen, and OG were available; or Caleb Swanigan when Kyle Kuzma, Derreck White, Josh Hart, Isaiah Hartenstein, and Dillon Brooks were available
* it wasn't Dame who thought it was a good idea to build upon an WCF appearance by letting Kanter, Aminu, Harkless, Curry, Turner, Meyers, and Layman go and replacing them with Whiteside, Melo, Bazemore, Tolliver, and Hezonja
* It wasn't Dame who invested 7 first round picks in Arron Afflalo, Zach, Swanigan, RoCo, and Nance
* it wasn't Dame who thought that trading for 6'3 Norm Powell and starting him at SF was a good idea; or that the experiment was worth a 5 year contract
* it wasn't Dame who decided to put together the smallest roster in the NBA and the worst defensive one as well

I think it's pretty clear at this point that Dame expected Portland to trade the pick this year after keeping it last year. Cronin said repeatedly that he and Dame talked often so it's pretty hard to believe that Dame's expectations about trading the pick weren't based, in some significant way, on what Cronin said to him. If Cronin's private words to Dame were anything similar to Cronin's public words about being committed to building a contender around Dame it's pretty damn easy to see how some bad blood was created when the pick was used to draft a PG

Dame's tenure in Portland, at least the first 10 years of it, were marked by major missed opportunities dropped regularly, like shit-packed cluster bombs, into the swamp of Olshey's GM malpractice and his blind idiot love of CJ, and an apparent delusion the NBA was a 6'3 and under league. The hole Olshey dug was so deep that Cronin hasn't crawled out of it 18 months later and probably won't for years. For chrissakes, when Cronin took over the Blazers were still paying dead salary to Andrew Nicholson and Anderson Varejao

it's easy to understand how Dame was OK with the tank in 2021-22 when he was injured and headed for surgery, Olshey was fired, and the team was dismantled and primed to head a new direction. But he came back from that surgery and had the best year of his career, at 32, and still the Blazers ended up tanking, again...after trading away Josh Hart...for a draft pick...they kept...after drafting Scoot....when Dame wanted more veteran help

so you're just wrong...Dame didn't "bring all of this on himself". That's malarkey. He's accountable for the Miami thing, and the NBA memo, and the trashing of his brand, yes, even though Cronin isn't blameless, clearly. But the situation just didn't start when Dame asked for a trade a few weeks ago. The path to that pivot was 11 years long.
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every time someone does a recap like this of all of Olshey’s mistakes, it makes me sick all over again. What a wasted decade.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's simply not true at all

yes, Dame is responsible for the Miami-or-bust posture, or at least he's accountable; I'm pretty sure that Aaron Goodwin and Pat Riley have as many fingerprints on that posture as Dame

* but it wasn't Dame who made max offers to Roy Hibbert, Enes Kanter, Greg Monroe, and Chandler Parsons.
* It wasn't Dame who let Aldridge and Lopez walk for nothing.
* It wasn't Dame who drafted Meyers Leonard when Draymond and Middleton were available; or CJ when Giannis was available.
* It wasn't Dame who spent over 340M on CJ, Crabbe, Turner, Meyers, Harkless, & Ezeli in 2016.
* It wasn't Dame who made CJ untouchable in trade talks for Paul George and Jimmy Butler.
* It wasn't Dame who drafted Zach Collins when Adebayo, Donovan Mitchell, John Collins Jarrett Allen, and OG were available; or Caleb Swanigan when Kyle Kuzma, Derreck White, Josh Hart, Isaiah Hartenstein, and Dillon Brooks were available
* it wasn't Dame who thought it was a good idea to build upon an WCF appearance by letting Kanter, Aminu, Harkless, Curry, Turner, Meyers, and Layman go and replacing them with Whiteside, Melo, Bazemore, Tolliver, and Hezonja
* It wasn't Dame who invested 7 first round picks in Arron Afflalo, Zach, Swanigan, RoCo, and Nance
* it wasn't Dame who thought that trading for 6'3 Norm Powell and starting him at SF was a good idea; or that the experiment was worth a 5 year contract
* it wasn't Dame who decided to put together the smallest roster in the NBA and the worst defensive one as well

I think it's pretty clear at this point that Dame expected Portland to trade the pick this year after keeping it last year. Cronin said repeatedly that he and Dame talked often so it's pretty hard to believe that Dame's expectations about trading the pick weren't based, in some significant way, on what Cronin said to him. If Cronin's private words to Dame were anything similar to Cronin's public words about being committed to building a contender around Dame it's pretty damn easy to see how some bad blood was created when the pick was used to draft a PG

Dame's tenure in Portland, at least the first 10 years of it, were marked by major missed opportunities dropped regularly, like shit-packed cluster bombs, into the swamp of Olshey's GM malpractice and his blind idiot love of CJ, and an apparent delusion the NBA was a 6'3 and under league. The hole Olshey dug was so deep that Cronin hasn't crawled out of it 18 months later and probably won't for years. For chrissakes, when Cronin took over the Blazers were still paying dead salary to Andrew Nicholson and Anderson Varejao

it's easy to understand how Dame was OK with the tank in 2021-22 when he was injured and headed for surgery, Olshey was fired, and the team was dismantled and primed to head a new direction. But he came back from that surgery and had the best year of his career, at 32, and still the Blazers ended up tanking, again...after trading away Josh Hart...for a draft pick...they kept...after drafting Scoot....when Dame wanted more veteran help

so you're just wrong...Dame didn't "bring all of this on himself". That's malarkey. He's accountable for the Miami thing, and the NBA memo, and the trashing of his brand, yes, even though Cronin isn't blameless, clearly. But the situation just didn't start when Dame asked for a trade a few weeks ago. The path to that pivot was 11 years long.
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I’d register here with a new account to give this an extra like except for the fact that I have to go hurl after being reminded of all that Olshey incompetence.
 
The thing that excites me most about this rebuild is that we (hopefully) won't have to talk about Neil Olshey anymore.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That was the Paul George summer. Rumor was that George could have been had if we would have given up CJ.
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Oh shit it was 2017. We had three first rounders (15, 20 and 26) and we could have also used two of the three picks we gave up later for RoCo and Nance. I don't think it would have taken CJ and five firsts but considering what we got out of those assets it would have been worth it, since PG13 had two years left on that contract anyway.
 
blazerkor said:
Oh shit it was 2017. We had three first rounders (15, 20 and 26) and we could have also used two of the three picks we gave up later for RoCo and Nance. I don't think it would have taken CJ and five firsts but considering what we got out of those assets it would have been worth it, since PG13 had two years left on that contract anyway.
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Can you imagine if we didn't suck at drafting though?

We could have had John Collins, Jarrett Allen, and Josh Hart if we had used our own picks. Or we could have used #10 and taken Bam.
 
Chris Craig said:
Well, we still pay Nicholson for another year, so Neil's bullshit is still attached.
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And potentially owe the Bulls a pick if we make the playoffs in the next 4 years... yeah, still four (actually 5 because of Stepien) fucking years of potentially having our first rounders tied up due to Olshey's dumbass. I guess the good news is we finally have a first rounder that's tradeable again with our 2030 FRP. Fucking Olshey.
 
blazerkor said:
And potentially owe the Bulls a pick if we make the playoffs in the next 4 years... yeah, still four (actually 5 because of Stepien) fucking years of potentially having our first rounders tied up due to Olshey's dumbass. I guess the good news is we finally have a first rounder that's tradeable again with our 2030 FRP. Fucking Olshey.
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That too.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Weird bugaboo.... but I don't understand why he needs the "Jr" part on his jersey. His dad doesn't play in the NBA. Nobody is going to confuse them.
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I think if a player wants themselves marketed as Jr. then that's cool. If they want that on the back of their jersey to signify that they aren't the only person with their name that is important to them, it's cool. I think it's cool that Marcus Morris gets to recognize his son by putting Sr. on his jersey.

I think it's fucking annoying when the announcers say Jr. after their last name during play by play every single time though. That shit is unnecessary to me. Like you said though, it's you're weird bugaboo and we're all entitled to what makes us feel weird or annoyed.
 
blazerkor said:
I think if a player wants themselves marketed as Jr. then that's cool. If they want that on the back of their jersey to signify that they aren't the only person with their name that is important to them, it's cool. I think it's cool that Marcus Morris gets to recognize his son by putting Sr. on his jersey.

I think it's fucking annoying when the announcers say Jr. after their last name during play by play every single time though. That shit is unnecessary to me. Like you said though, it's you're weird bugaboo and we're all entitled to what makes us feel weird or annoyed.
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It's funny how Ken Griffey Jr was just known as Junior to a lot of people though. To me, that made sense. His dad had his own legacy. They even played together.

It's totally just a personal bugaboo. I don't really care.... just think it's silly.
 
The thing I like about JJJ, is his size for an SF
6'6" without shoes, is nothing special, but he weighed in at 226 at the combine. I think he can be a solid 2-way player....even if it is off the bench.
 
Chris Craig said:
Well, we still pay Nicholson for another year, so Neil's bullshit is still attached.
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If we’re complaining about something as minor as Andrew Nicholson’s dead cap hit, that would be the brightest timeline, lol.
 
“Portland: we’ll l trade you to any team but Miami!

Big brains there in Portland.

Enjoy paying mid-players near max money - no all-star player will ever sign (or re-sign) there again.”

:biglaugh:
 
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