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Fez Hammersticks said:
“Portland: we’ll l trade you to any team but Miami!

Big brains there in Portland.

Enjoy paying mid-players near max money - no all-star player will ever sign (or re-sign) there again.”

:biglaugh:
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3yr. max extension for Anfernee Simons all but guaranteed. Might as well give one to Coach Billups too while the Blazers are on a roll.
 
B-Rod said:
But don't you think it's in Cronins best interest to at least hear them out?
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Consider the source. Consider who might be telling the source this narrative. Lastly, consider why the orgin of the information would want that specific narrative leaked.
 
wizenheimer said:
who says he hasn't?

if Miami's best offer was Herro + Robinson + two first's in 2028 & 2030, why should Cronin listen to any more of that bullshit until Miami gets serious....and by all reporting, they aren't serious yet
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yep. The media seems to be discussing a deal that hasn’t even been offered.
 
TBpup said:
When Miami makes a serious offer, Portland will seriously listen.
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It is kinda funny how Miami wants Damian, but idiots on twitter still are like "Portland hasn't told them what they want".

If I want a car, I make an offer and then they counter. Not the other way around.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
“So Dame receives consequences for wanting only Miami but Cronin receives none for not engaging in any discussions? What kind of bullshit is this?”

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:
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"I paid people on the internet to say Pagani Huayra's are worthless cars over and over until I got a cease and desist order from Pagani laywers. Then I went to the dealership and offered them $2 for their Pagani Huayra supercar and they didn't even give me a counter offer! I'm pretty sure they broke the law!"

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Natebishop3 said:
Can you imagine if we didn't suck at drafting though?
We could have had John Collins, Jarrett Allen, and Josh Hart if we had used our own picks. Or we could have used #10 and taken Bam.
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Those were two bad years but we’ve been mostly great at drafting. Dame, Shaedon, Ant, GTJ, and Scoot are good picks. 2017 was a disaster though. Worse than 2016 & 2019 summers and those were awful.
 
B-Rod said:
But don't you think it's in Cronins best interest to at least hear them out?
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He has.
Miami has made an offer. Joe said it's not good enough, and we need more. There was a report of the minimum of what Portland will accept.

Miami is complaining that Portland will not 'negotiate' further.
 
blazerkor said:
And potentially owe the Bulls a pick if we make the playoffs in the next 4 years... yeah, still four (actually 5 because of Stepien) fucking years of potentially having our first rounders tied up due to Olshey's dumbass. I guess the good news is we finally have a first rounder that's tradeable again with our 2030 FRP. Fucking Olshey.
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Well, on the bright side Cronin has made it possible we never have to give that 1st rounder to Chicago.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
“Portland: we’ll l trade you to any team but Miami!

Big brains there in Portland.

Enjoy paying mid-players near max money - no all-star player will ever sign (or re-sign) there again.”

:biglaugh:
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So funny.

Not even the least little bit concerned. We have control over our players for like 8 years.

Players are going to sign with whoever offers them the most money, almost always.

This changes absolutely nothing for Portland.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Adam Silver can legally veto a trade to Miami according to the by-laws.

We discussed this on our most recent podcast.

"The Commissioner shall have the power to declare null and void any Player transaction made by and between Members of the Association or by and between Members of the Association and any organization outside of the Association."
https://ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/NBA-Constitution-and-By-Laws.pdf

Also this was super interesting.

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Not surprising, but also WOW! In before Dame Camp apologists say, "Well Dame has every right not to play, heck he could and should punch babies around Portland until the FO trades him for a second rounder and a used pair of Riley's boxers, he's earned it!"
 
Natebishop3 said:
Adam Silver can legally veto a trade to Miami according to the by-laws.

We discussed this on our most recent podcast.

"The Commissioner shall have the power to declare null and void any Player transaction made by and between Members of the Association or by and between Members of the Association and any organization outside of the Association."
https://ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/NBA-Constitution-and-By-Laws.pdf

Also this was super interesting.

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Can and will are two very different things

I would wager Silver doesn't veto a Dame trade. That's a slippery slope.
 
Tince said:
Can and will are two very different things

I would wager Silver doesn't veto a Dame trade. That's a slippery slope.
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Odds are you are correct. But if enough owners reached out to Silver and said to stop this bullshit, he might. What I am getting at, where does it end? Why have a GM if players can basically trade themselves. That is what Dame/Goodwin are attempting with the help of Riley. So they are affecting the competitive balance of the NBA. I understand that small market teams like Portland, Utah, Minny, Memphis, SA all have to draft incredibly like SA has with Robinson, Duncan, Manu, Leonard and now Wemby. That is the only way they can compete. But when a player with four years left on his contract and a super max too boot can damage a franchise as such, he is also damaging the league. Might as well put all the franchises in the big cities and nice weather states. London has probably 15 soccer teams with 3 or 4 in the EPL. It can be done. Pretty sure teams like Portland do not wish to be used as nurseries for the other Teams. Regardless, if this ends badly with Dame, it will probably be a bridge too far for me. The finals were not must see tv for me for some time now. I suspect the Suns will be fun to watch since I live in the desert.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Adam Silver can legally veto a trade to Miami according to the by-laws.

We discussed this on our most recent podcast.

"The Commissioner shall have the power to declare null and void any Player transaction made by and between Members of the Association or by and between Members of the Association and any organization outside of the Association."
https://ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/NBA-Constitution-and-By-Laws.pdf

Also this was super interesting.

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"Two years ago, I asked Aaron [Goodwin] what Dame’s leverage was: He was a very much under contract star, and they were anticipating/considering demanding a trade at that time. There was a lot of tension and they tried to use that leverage to get them to upgrade the roster in Portland. And so I asked, “What is his leverage? He’s just gonna have to go play to make his money, right?” And Aaron said “Are you fucking kidding me? You really don’t know?”

… And so the threat is to not play: the “James Harden model” and that’s what Aaron Goodwin explained to me in great detail, in specific details, saying “This front office that might want to trade for Dame? Every single one of them is going to lose their job before he ever suits up there.”

Context: this conversation between Abbott and Goodwin was around the time James Harden was causing a stink to get out of Houston."

So basically this was a plan hatched two years ago? this legit?
 
BIG Q said:
"Two years ago, I asked Aaron [Goodwin] what Dame’s leverage was: He was a very much under contract star, and they were anticipating/considering demanding a trade at that time. There was a lot of tension and they tried to use that leverage to get them to upgrade the roster in Portland. And so I asked, “What is his leverage? He’s just gonna have to go play to make his money, right?” And Aaron said “Are you fucking kidding me? You really don’t know?”

… And so the threat is to not play: the “James Harden model” and that’s what Aaron Goodwin explained to me in great detail, in specific details, saying “This front office that might want to trade for Dame? Every single one of them is going to lose their job before he ever suits up there.”

Context: this conversation between Abbott and Goodwin was around the time James Harden was causing a stink to get out of Houston."

So basically this was a plan hatched two years ago? this legit?
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If Abbott quoted him like this, and he didn't say it, he could sue the shit out of Abbott.
 
BIG Q said:
Odds are you are correct. But if enough owners reached out to Silver and said to stop this bullshit, he might. What I am getting at, where does it end? Why have a GM if players can basically trade themselves. That is what Dame/Goodwin are attempting with the help of Riley. So they are affecting the competitive balance of the NBA. I understand that small market teams like Portland, Utah, Minny, Memphis, SA all have to draft incredibly like SA has with Robinson, Duncan, Manu, Leonard and now Wemby. That is the only way they can compete. But when a player with four years left on his contract and a super max too boot can damage a franchise as such, he is also damaging the league. Might as well put all the franchises in the big cities and nice weather states. London has probably 15 soccer teams with 3 or 4 in the EPL. It can be done. Pretty sure teams like Portland do not wish to be used as nurseries for the other Teams. Regardless, if this ends badly with Dame, it will probably be a bridge too far for me. The finals were not must see tv for me for some time now. I suspect the Suns will be fun to watch since I live in the desert.
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Harden went from Houston to Brooklyn to Philadelphia and wants out of Philadelphia.
None of those are small markets.
Kevin Durant asked to be traded from Brooklyn. That is the largest market in the United States.
Who is the person that thinks a star player will never asked to be traded away from a large market?
 
BIG Q said:
Odds are you are correct. But if enough owners reached out to Silver and said to stop this bullshit, he might. What I am getting at, where does it end? Why have a GM if players can basically trade themselves. That is what Dame/Goodwin are attempting with the help of Riley. So they are affecting the competitive balance of the NBA. I understand that small market teams like Portland, Utah, Minny, Memphis, SA all have to draft incredibly like SA has with Robinson, Duncan, Manu, Leonard and now Wemby. That is the only way they can compete. But when a player with four years left on his contract and a super max too boot can damage a franchise as such, he is also damaging the league. Might as well put all the franchises in the big cities and nice weather states. London has probably 15 soccer teams with 3 or 4 in the EPL. It can be done. Pretty sure teams like Portland do not wish to be used as nurseries for the other Teams. Regardless, if this ends badly with Dame, it will probably be a bridge too far for me. The finals were not must see tv for me for some time now. I suspect the Suns will be fun to watch since I live in the desert.
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This kinda reminds me of the tampering issue from a few years ago. While the league can become more strict about how public the violations arethere will always be a handful of ways for players and agents to achieve their desired outcome privately.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Harden went from Houston to Brooklyn to Philadelphia and wants out of Philadelphia.
None of those are small markets.
Kevin Durant asked to be traded from Brooklyn. That is the largest market in the United States.
Who is the person that thinks a star player will never asked to be traded away from a large market?
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Yes, Harden has polluted Brooklyn and Philly and now wants to pollute LA, three of the biggest markets. Notice Harden is not asking for Minny to run with KAT/Gobert/Edwards? The point is the players are trying to make the small markets and cold weather states into nurseries. There is no incentive to be a fan or owner of a nursery. If players and agents are allowed to game the game at will and have complete and utter contempt for the club if they try to extract value for a player will be disastrous. The vast majority of the league is not in NY, Philly, Boston, Chicago, Florida and Cali.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Harden went from Houston to Brooklyn to Philadelphia and wants out of Philadelphia.
None of those are small markets.
Kevin Durant asked to be traded from Brooklyn. That is the largest market in the United States.
Who is the person that thinks a star player will never asked to be traded away from a large market?
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I don't remember anybody saying that players would never ask to be traded away from a large market.

Only that they should be required to fulfill the terms of their contract and that the NBA should be careful about letting players force specific trades without regard to their contract.
 
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