Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors (5 Viewers)

[inconceivable]

I see Miami Heat folks have reached the acceptance stage of realizing we won't accept their poo poo platter.

Now they are in the delusional stage of thinking they will make it back to the finals.

First of all, Vincent and Strus, both key rotation players are gone, they alienated Herro, Shakira's impact on Jimmy still TBD. Last year's cinderella run was a fluke. They'll be lottery team this year.

 

[blazerfan11]

What last season proved is that the Eastern conference is more wide-open than anyone thought.
A team that actually lost a play-in game won the conference. It's comparable to the Minnesota Timberwolves losing to the Lakers in the play-in game, then winning the Western Conference last season. Think about that.

One of the keys for that Miami team was hot three-point shooting.
Geez, I wonder what player might be able to give an instant boost to the three-point shooting of an Eastern conference team?

The Trail Blazers just need to be patient and wait.
I myself would be happy to see what Lillard can do with the current roster of the trailblazers. They might go back to being a perennial playoff team, with more potential to advance than in the past.

 

[inconceivable]

Hot Take: If not traded by then, Dame not only will show up for training camp, but will backout of his trade request.

I believe he only wants to get traded to Miami and no other team. But Miami has shown how little they value him. Dame takes it personal.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Hot Take: If not traded by then, Dame not only will show up for training camp, but will backout of his trade request.

I believe he only wants to get traded to Miami and no other team. But Miami has shown how little they value him. Dame takes it personal.

If thats the case then Cronin needs a Simons trade partner on speed dial.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Things will start to happen in September. Most of the GM’s are still on vacation.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Things will start to happen in September. Most of the GM’s are still on vacation.

I know most of Europe takes the entirety of August off. Didn't realize NBA GM's took the same tack.

 

[Idog1976]

I am getting to the point where I would trade Dame to Brooklyn for a 2nd rounder and Simmons just to spite Miami. Their fans are absolutely, unbelievably, next-level, mindbogglingly horrible scum bags. Read some of the Miami comments and in particular this gem:

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@RodSantista10
6 hours ago
They wont... they will get Dame and by the end of this saga, Portland and Cronin will be demoralized and ridiculed."

I legit want Dame to go ANYWHERE but Miami, even if it's a slightly worse Deal. Fuck that team, fuck their FO, fuck Goodwin, and most of all fuck that unbelievably toxic fan base.

 

[Idog1976]

Hot Take: If not traded by then, Dame not only will show up for training camp, but will backout of his trade request.

I believe he only wants to get traded to Miami and no other team. But Miami has shown how little they value him. Dame takes it personal.

I love this idea. We need to push this "Miami doesn't actually value Dame" meme HARD on twitter and Instagram until Dame notices.

 

[Idog1976]

I know most of Europe takes the entirety of August off. Didn't realize NBA GM's took the same tack.

It's rich people in general and it starts earlier for the uber rich. Consider, it's not just GM's it's the OWNERS who usually have to sign off on any big trade. "Sell in May, Go away" is a saying in the stock trading world due to the uber wealthy doing just that.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It's rich people in general and it starts earlier for the uber rich. Consider, it's not just GM's it's the OWNERS who usually have to sign off on any big trade. "Sell in May, Go away" is a saying in the stock trading world due to the uber wealthy doing just that.

I am pretty sure the uber-rich vacation all year round. The Zoom calls from their yachts work well.

 

[Whyachi]

Did he? Or was it a key loss to improve out odds that ended up getting us Scoot?
Is he the coach that got the team off to a 10-3 start, or the one who has been in charge of tanking for 2 years.

....likely, somewhere in between.

I shouldn't be criticizing Billups coaching in the Miami rumors thread. Sometimes I can't help it. The Blazers bought 3 more years of rebuilding with Billups, so the only aspect of Chauncey's coaching that's important... is he good at developing younger players?

The hot start to last year was super fun. Brand new Blazer Jerami Grant really helped. Lillard & Simons were both red hot. Josh Hart and Justise Winslow added that veteran defense & hustle from the 3 spot. Nurkic had fresh legs, was filling the stat sheet. Little, Shaedon & Eubanks added a dose of energy off the bench.

My perception is what ended the red hot & rolling 10-4 start is 1 small injury (Dame calf 2 weeks). The Blazers went 2-6 while Dame was out. Lillard mentioned somewhere when he came back the team no longer carried that all out effort to win.

Was the Billups undulating amoeba zone defense and short rotations sustainable for 82 games? Go watch some highlights of Blazers in November compared to Blazers in January. It's night and day basketball intensity. I think last year's team burned out after the first hard fought 20 games. Once oppenents adapted to slicing up the Billups zone, all Portland could do was focus on scoring, while Billups told reporters he never questions effort, and only has nice things about his guys.

 

[blazerfan11]

I shouldn't be criticizing Billups coaching in the Miami rumors thread. Sometimes I can't help it. The Blazers bought 3 more years of rebuilding with Billups, so the only aspect of Chauncey's coaching that's important... is he good at developing younger players?

The hot start to last year was super fun. Brand new Blazer Jerami Grant really helped. Lillard & Simons were both red hot. Josh Hart and Justise Winslow added that veteran defense & hustle from the 3 spot. Nurkic had fresh legs, was filling the stat sheet. Little, Shaedon & Eubanks added a dose of energy off the bench.

My perception is what ended the red hot & rolling 10-4 start is 1 small injury (Dame calf 2 weeks). The Blazers went 2-6 while Dame was out. Lillard mentioned somewhere when he came back the team no longer carried that all out effort to win.

Was the Billups undulating amoeba zone defense and short rotations sustainable for 82 games? Go watch some highlights of Blazers in November compared to Blazers in January. It's night and day basketball intensity. I think last year's team burned out after the first hard fought 20 games. Once oppenents adapted to slicing up the Billups zone, all Portland could do was focus on scoring, while Billups told reporters he never questions effort, and only has nice things about his guys.

I would say a lack of bench depth was a huge problem. The coach doesn't control that.

 

[Whyachi]

I would say a lack of bench depth was a huge problem. The coach doesn't control that.

I'm not debating whether bench depth adversely effected wins and losses. I'm just mentioning what I saw. The Blazers began slacking on the court defensively, and Coach Billups even stated during press conferences he doesn't hold players accountable. Blame the coach, blame the "incomplete" roster Cronin built. Just never blame the players and everyone keeps their job. Unless it's Sharpe, you can blame rookies because they don't have experience.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

by the end ?? - LOL -- the smart fans are already doing that to the Blazers and Cronin while the out of touch one's make excuses and make Dame the enemy.

 

[Samuel]

Miami will be fine without Dame.


Miami Will Be Fine Without Damian Lillard

"If the Heat don’t trade for the Blazers’ star, they will still have the core of the team that made it all the way to the NBA Finals."

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/08/03/damian-lillard-heat-rumors-what-if-trade-wont-happen

it’s working.

 

[Idog1976]

I am pretty sure the uber-rich vacation all year round. The Zoom calls from their yachts work well.

They work more than most of us, and they value their time (no Zoom calls during off time eg). It’s very possible they are on vacation. Not certain, but definitely possible.

 

[Samuel]

The 5 stages of not getting the player you want.


Denial: 2 picks, 1 swap, herro, drob. And in fact, herro doesn’t necessarily need to be in the deal.


Anger: ITS THE BEST OFFER. TAKE IT. TAKE HERRO.


Bargaining: many teams have expressed interest in herro. You could get extra seconds for herro. Would you like jovic but not Martin or Jaquez?


Depression: 8 podcasts about what’s holding things up. 8 podcasts projecting emotions onto cronin. 8 pods about leverage.


Acceptance: the heat are fine without Damian Lillard, who isn’t that good anyway and is nearly 40 and retired.

 

[KingSpeed]

I shouldn't be criticizing Billups coaching in the Miami rumors thread. Sometimes I can't help it. The Blazers bought 3 more years of rebuilding with Billups, so the only aspect of Chauncey's coaching that's important... is he good at developing younger players?

The hot start to last year was super fun. Brand new Blazer Jerami Grant really helped. Lillard & Simons were both red hot. Josh Hart and Justise Winslow added that veteran defense & hustle from the 3 spot. Nurkic had fresh legs, was filling the stat sheet. Little, Shaedon & Eubanks added a dose of energy off the bench.

My perception is what ended the red hot & rolling 10-4 start is 1 small injury (Dame calf 2 weeks). The Blazers went 2-6 while Dame was out. Lillard mentioned somewhere when he came back the team no longer carried that all out effort to win.

Was the Billups undulating amoeba zone defense and short rotations sustainable for 82 games? Go watch some highlights of Blazers in November compared to Blazers in January. It's night and day basketball intensity. I think last year's team burned out after the first hard fought 20 games. Once oppenents adapted to slicing up the Billups zone, all Portland could do was focus on scoring, while Billups told reporters he never questions effort, and only has nice things about his guys.

I think what hurt us was Winslow’s injury. He was a big part of our early success.

 

[inconceivable]

I think what hurt us was Winslow’s injury. He was a big part of our early success.

Yup, Justise was a big time hooper. His injury was not talked about enough.

 

[Propagandist]

I am fine with the reported Miami offers so far. Let’s just do it already. This whole saga has been boring af.

 

[Idog1976]

by the end ?? - LOL -- the smart fans are already doing that to the Blazers and Cronin while the out of touch one's make excuses and make Dame the enemy.

So, ya haven't been paying close attention have ya? Abbot's claim seems true, otherwise Goodwin would sue him, that means that this debacle was A) planned, and B) basically in the infancy or before Cronin's reign so he is by definition not to blame. Goodwin at a minimum, the most scumbag bush league agent in the league. That's really not debatable actually. The thing is...Dame hasn't fired him. That combined with the Abbot report is pretty damning. Sounds like you're making excuses for Dame, not the rest of us being incorrect about the failings of the Olshey FO (we pretty much ALL agree on that). Cronin's reign has been mixed, but trending positive. The people supporting Dame in forcing his way out into Riley's waiting arms for chump change clearly are in denial about Dame's behavior.

 

[Idog1976]

I am fine with the reported Miami offers so far. Let’s just do it already. This whole saga has been boring af.

So glad the, "get it done already" folks are nowhere near the decision making center of the team.

Side note: It's funny to me how many are in this camp, and also think Dame is blameless and the FO failed to get good deals done. Not saying you are among them Propagandist, but there is a lot of overlap between the "get it done already "folks, the Dame/Goodwin apologists and, the "our FO can't win a trade!" folks.

Like what? Rush the most important trade in a quarter century (Drexler), and simultaneously ya'll think Cronin is a failure for not landing a star next to Dame when it's pretty clear no such trade existed?!?!?

 

[blazerkor]

I just want it to be simple. Nurk and Dame going out. Lowry, Jovic, Jaquez the Heat's FRPs 2024, 26 and 30 coming to us from them. A first rounder and expiring contracts or young players (24 or younger) coming to us from a third team for Herro. That's it!

Edit: Actually I would forgo a pick if Orlando has serious interest in Herro and would be willing to part with Wendell Carter Jr. and Gary Harris for him.

I think having vets like Harris and Lowry to begin the season would be great to teach our young guards. Then if contending teams wanted them at the deadline, they might bring back some more young talent.

Edit again:

 

[Whyachi]

I am fine with the reported Miami offers so far. Let’s just do it already. This whole saga has been boring af.

Bucks choked
Knicks LOL
Celtics fought back a little, then choked.
Lillard to Miami is no superteam, let's gut their roster and make their future 1sts exceptionally valuable.

 

[blazerkor]

Bucks choked
Knicks LOL
Celtics fought back a little, then choked.
Lillard to Miami is no superteam, let's gut their roster and make their future 1sts exceptionally valuable.

Honestly if we give them hope with Jimmy and Dame being their franchise cornerstones at 33, those picks in 2028 and 2030 could be very valuable. Them having to give up Herro, Jaquez, Jovic and every first they can trade, does potentially gut their future.

 

[Whyachi]

Honestly if we give them hope with Jimmy and Dame being their franchise cornerstones at 33, those picks in 2028 and 2030 could be very valuable. Them having to give up Herro, Jaquez, Jovic and every first they can trade, does potentially gut their future.

exactly! Scoot and Shaedon busting fools in the playoffs + Miami top 10 picks = championship era

 

[Propagandist]

So glad the, "get it done already" folks are nowhere near the decision making center of the team.

Side note: It's funny to me how many are in this camp, and also think Dame is blameless and the FO failed to get good deals done. Not saying you are among them Propagandist, but there is a lot of overlap between the "get it done already "folks, the Dame/Goodwin apologists and, the "our FO can't win a trade!" folks.

Like what? Rush the most important trade in a quarter century (Drexler), and simultaneously ya'll think Cronin is a failure for not landing a star next to Dame when it's pretty clear no such trade existed?!?!?

I am not in the get it done just to get it done club.

I just figure, the longer we wait, the more boring everything will get, and the likelihood of having to listen to Joe explain why he couldn’t get a good deal will go up, and because while I love(d) Dame, he is paid a god awful amount and is getting old and at some point everyone will realize this and we will have missed the opportunity to cash in.

 

[Samuel]

I am not in the get it done just to get it done club.

I just figure, the longer we wait, the more boring everything will get, and the likelihood of having to listen to Joe explain why he couldn’t get a good deal will go up, and because while I love(d) Dame, he is paid a god awful amount and is getting old and at some point everyone will realize this and we will have missed the opportunity to cash in.

The gap between the package now and the worst possible package later is probably not that large, tbh—a risk worth taking.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Abbott OMG -- he might be the biggest tool of them all in the media ( outside of S. A. Smith ) if that is who you want to base your argument around then you are wrong just on that alone and nothing more needs to be said -- ROFL

He has yet to be right and he claimed Dame wanted out a year or two ago and that was proven to be horse crap so sure let's believe him and if you want to do that I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Iowa dirt cheap too -- -LOL

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Abbott OMG -- he might be the biggest tool of them all in the media ( outside of S. A. Smith ) if that is who you want to base your argument around then you are wrong just on that alone and nothing more needs to be said -- ROFL

He has yet to be right and he claimed Dame wanted out a year or two ago and that was proven to be horse crap so sure let's believe him and if you want to do that I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Iowa dirt cheap too -- -LOL

What?

Goodwin told Abbott two years ago about Dame wanting out. Do you really think Dame just decided this year was the time to leave and he didn't consider it the last two off seasons?