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That Brown was willing to leverage the last year of his deal to come to Portland. I never thought Boston was set on giving him that money either and would've taken #3 and Simons for him. They desperately needed guard creation and that extends their championship window.

From the same FO source that gave a bunch of details on what the Jerami Grant trade would look like and how he and Dame were already working out in Portland two months before that trade happened.
#3 is a lot to give up... i think #7 and Simons probably would have been a done deal from Portland's side if money weren't a problem.

As soon as we got #3 it made trading the pick far, far less likely.
 
It'd have to be Simons and 3 to match the salary, at the least. Is Boston sending out Brown for Simons and 3? Brown being willing to sign here, and Boston being willing to trade him here are two vastly different things.
Yeah but if Jaylen Brown is saying "I don't want to be here, I want to play with Dame, I'll leave in free agency" and the choices are risking that with a best case scenario of paying him the supermax when his fit is already questionable there, or getting Scoot Henderson and Anfernee Simons, I believe they would've chosen that package. Even if they wouldn't, if Portland was being aggressive in terms of building around Dame, I think they would've pursued it.
 
#3 is a lot to give up... i think #7 probably would have been a done deal if money weren't a problem.

As soon as we got #3 it made trading the pick far, far less likely.
#3 is a lot to give up, I agree. It's also a lot to get back.
 
Most teams that have the 3rd pick don't have a player as good as Dame. It was a unique position to be in.
Boston had the #3 and #1 pick in consecutive drafts while having a winning playoff team, one year in the conference finals. They chose to draft Brown and Tatum.

We just almost never see teams trade out of the draft with a top3 pick. As I said Cleveland with Wiggins is the only one I can think of in a very long time. They didn't do it until LeBron signed as a free agent and they were thus obviously a contender.
 
Boston had the #3 and #1 pick in consecutive drafts while having a winning playoff team, one year in the conference finals. They chose to draft Brown and Tatum.

We just almost never see teams trade out of the draft with a top3 pick. As I said Cleveland with Wiggins is the only one I can think of in a very long time. They didn't do it until LeBron signed as a free agent and they were thus obviously a contender.
If Jayson Tatum was available at #3, it would've made more sense to draft someone with 3 and try to build around Dame.

I think one reason for this is GMs fall in love with prospects and get scared at the thought of trading away a future hall-of-famer and what that would do for their reputation.
 
Sure, but if he wanted to build a winner around Dame, why wouldn't he at least listen to calls leading up to the selection and even right after selecting Scoot in case a team got desperate and gave him the type of deal he supposedly wanted? I'd guess there's logistical reasons why you have a timeline on vendors submitting bids in whatever you do that wouldn't exist for sports.

Just a bizarre criticism microanalyzing someones job based entirely on second hand rumors.

How do you know when Cronin typically takes trade discussion phone calls? Is it ever even directly himself on the call once he assumed the top GM role or is this all done initially by assistant GMs? Did all the calls happen days prior and both parties knew there was no common ground on deals? Just no way for any of us to critique these tiny details if we don't work in the Blazers front office.

I highly doubt Cronin ever has the phone off - if the Bucks come calling offering Giannis or the 6ers with Embiid he's going to be listening.

If the calls were all Morey offering Tobias Harris, Balmer offering PG, and Masai saying OG for both #3 and Sharpe.... well yes I can understand Cronin turning off the damn phone!
 
So you're saying they refused to even answer the phone on draft night? I find that very difficult to believe, but ok.
If Portland was calling teams and offering packages, everything got shot down. Successful trades and Free Agent signings were raining like fireflies during draft day. It seemed like every NBA team made adjustments except the Blazers. That's 29+ phone calls that went bust. It's a pretty big whoopsy in an "attempt" to operate successful trades and Free Agency.
 
Just as long as he didn't lie privately to Dame. Maybe everything I've heard is completely wrong and he didn't. But even Sly heard he did. Too much smoke. But I'm tired of arguing about that and want them to just move on from Dame already.

Why does it matter what they do in private? How do you know Dame didn't lie first? Or both lied? Or neither? Or sources are feeding you/hoopjock misleading statements? Why will it ever matter? Just sounds like private drama of some old married couple getting a divorce.

What matters to all of us is the actions all parties take publicly, direct actions they do with the team, or actions they allow through their representatives.
 
If Portland was calling teams and offering packages, everything got shot down. Successful trades and Free Agent signings were raining like fireflies during draft day. It seemed like every NBA team made adjustments except the Blazers. That's 29+ phone calls that went bust. It's a pretty big whoopsy in an "attempt" to operate successful trades and Free Agency.
phone calls that didn't land a deal are usually because the team you call offers pennies on the dollar. I promise you Joe has made probably 2,900 calls around the league ....we already know that deals were squashed when teams asked for Sharpe in the trades. Joe wasn't ever trading Sharpe this off season.
 
But this podcast happened 3 weeks before the draft. They got it out for a reason. I am certain they told enough people what they wanted - at this point they already had an idea that Scoot is likely going to fall to them and they had him in, so if they told everyone 3 weeks before what they are looking for and a week later someone calls them and say let's talk about something less - why would they waste the time?

I do not believe for a minute that people (other teams) did not know what it would take to get Portland to trade that pick closer to the draft and Portland refused to listen to something that fell within these parameters. Just makes no sense. Portland knew what their options were (Miller or Scoot), knew they liked them enough to understand what it would take to trade the pick - presented it to teams before and refused wasting time on it for subpar offers. That's just good business.

To me, this seems like a bullshit story that Portland did not try to build around Dame. If that was the case they would not have gone through the entire Grant process and they would not have tried to accumulate assets, but controlling what they can (asset accumulation) and working the trades are not the same - and with Dame singing everywhere about how he does not want to play with 19 year old players anymore - he tanked the trade process.

So, no, I do not believe for a minute the FO had an agenda against Dame. If they did, they would not have signed him to a 2 years extension after he was out with a big injury and no-one knew if he would recover. That's just bullshit to me.

Dame got tired of waiting, fine. But I am not putting this on the FO, they are working a lot more logically than the previous one has from what we have seen.

So what actions should happen if Portland truly SCREWED Dame over and LIED!

I guess as a result the Blazers now owe it to Dame to trade him to Miami for very little talent in return? Yes they need to do right by Dame.

Yeah I wonder what side could be trying to gain something from promoting these wild stories......
 
Why does it matter what they do in private? How do you know Dame didn't lie first? Or both lied? Or neither? Or sources are feeding you/hoopjock misleading statements? Why will it ever matter? Just sounds like private drama of some old married couple getting a divorce.

What matters to all of us is the actions all parties take publicly, direct actions they do with the team, or actions they allow through their representatives.
I don't think they're misleading statements.

It matters to me for reasons that probably don't matter to you, which is fine.
So what actions should happen if Portland truly SCREWED Dame over and LIED!

I guess as a result the Blazers now owe it to Dame to trade him to Miami for very little talent in return? Yes they need to do right by Dame.
They don't. It's on Miami to do right by Dame too and value Dame like they should.
Yeah I wonder what side could be trying to gain something from promoting these wild stories......
What does this mean?
 
What I'm going to say is not my intel but it's from someone that'd have legitimate knowledge but is specifically on one side, so don't shoot the messenger:

Apparently Cronin told Dame he'd never need a no-trade clause because he'd do right by him if he ever wanted out. Dame asked out on June 26th and gave Cronin a list of teams, and Cronin then told him "we're going to do what's best for us" and then made that public statement about having a great conversation with Dame and being committed to building a winner around him. Supposedly, that ticked Dame off and is a reason why he's only demanding Miami.

This honestly sounds like middle school drama.
 
That Brown was willing to leverage the last year of his deal to come to Portland. I never thought Boston was set on giving him that money either and would've taken #3 and Simons for him. They desperately needed guard creation and that extends their championship window.

From the same FO source that gave a bunch of details on what the Jerami Grant trade would look like and how he and Dame were already working out in Portland two months before that trade happened.

Its entirely possible the Blazers decided they would not trade #3 and Ant for Jaylen Brown.

Its entirely possible Dame decided he wants out of Portland as a result.

Doesn't mean either side is wrong or liars.
 
Its entirely possible the Blazers decided they would not trade #3 and Ant for Jaylen Brown.

Its entirely possible Dame decided he wants out of Portland as a result.

Doesn't mean either side is wrong or liars.
You're entitled to your interpretation.
 
A 19-year-old rookie guard who didn't play past high school is not a win-now upgrade for Dame in my mind. Neither is a 19-year old PG. They're great pieces to kick off a rebuild though!

Two top 7 picks, the 23rd pick, and two Full MLEs at his disposal and not one of those assets were used to make a win-now upgrade around Dame. His words were a direct contradiction to what I think his intentions were this off-season. If you're cool with that, that's fine.

There was no path to building a contender around Dame. Maybe it took Cronin an extra 4-16 months to finally realize that but its where we are. I'm glad we aren't throwing away those assets at a doomed to fail attempt to win with a 33 year old PG.

It's fine Dame wants to go a different direction.

That doesn't make anyone a liar. Its just a sad end to the Dame era. It's an end that was a dozen years in the making, not just now with Cronin.
 
That Brown was willing to leverage the last year of his deal to come to Portland. I never thought Boston was set on giving him that money either and would've taken #3 and Simons for him. They desperately needed guard creation and that extends their championship window.

From the same FO source that gave a bunch of details on what the Jerami Grant trade would look like and how he and Dame were already working out in Portland two months before that trade happened.
I don't want to deny anyone has sources, I know people do. Great. It's just always too convenient to be able to say well yeah, I was told about that months ago, if nothing was ever otherwise shared. We all speculated on Grant coming here, and knew he talked with Dame, and fit the TPE. I know not every rumor can be shared, but to come out after and say I knew the exact details 2 months prior sounds like bullshit when a month prior, there was still comments of fear it'd be our lottery pick included.
 
phone calls that didn't land a deal are usually because the team you call offers pennies on the dollar. I promise you Joe has made probably 2,900 calls around the league ....we already know that deals were squashed when teams asked for Sharpe in the trades. Joe wasn't ever trading Sharpe this off season.
Opposing GM's knew Cronin was in a pickle. Joe put himself above everyone, over-inflated his team's direction. Spent almost 2 full seasons bragging about championships.

If Cronin did make calls, imagine how they went:

opposing team war room


- "we got Blazers on line 1. ...

- "Hey.. tell them trade us Shaedon and future 1sts then hang up"

- "don't you wanna hear their offer ??"

- "{heavy laughter ensues} "
 
I know I posted it in another thread, but every time I see this Miami thread I am overcome with the same emotion... Mods, please feel free to remove it as a repost if you must.

 
I don't want to deny anyone has sources, I know people do. Great. It's just always too convenient to be able to say well yeah, I was told about that months ago, if nothing was ever otherwise shared. We all speculated on Grant coming here, and knew he talked with Dame, and fit the TPE. I know not every rumor can be shared, but to come out after and say I knew the exact details 2 months prior sounds like bullshit when a month prior, there was still comments of fear it'd be our lottery pick included.
We put it out for people to hear in real time. We had a stream 2 months prior putting out some details. Yes we still had fears that Cronin would get out-leveraged anyways, that has been a theme in his tenure. I trusted but also didn't fully believe Eric's intel at the time.
 
We better not lose out on more than one first round pick for Ayton.

I just don't see Phoenix doing it.
 
We put it out for people to hear in real time. We had a stream 2 months prior putting out some details. Yes we still had fears that Cronin would get out-leveraged anyways, that has been a theme in his tenure. I trusted but also didn't fully believe Eric's intel at the time.
Just seems like if you knew the exact details, Eric wouldn't fret about it being our lottery pick. but what do I know
 
What I'm going to say is not my intel but it's from someone that'd have legitimate knowledge but is specifically on one side, so don't shoot the messenger:

Apparently Cronin told Dame he'd never need a no-trade clause because he'd do right by him if he ever wanted out. Dame asked out on June 26th and gave Cronin a list of teams, and Cronin then told him "we're going to do what's best for us" and then made that public statement about having a great conversation with Dame and being committed to building a winner around him. Supposedly, that ticked Dame off and is a reason why he's only demanding Miami.

That actually makes Dame look bad and not Joe.....and I am not sure I believe it.
What this guy is essentially telling you is that Dame gave Joe a list on June 26th and then decided to screw us (fans) by changing his mind in less than a week over what Joe said after the meeting? Is Dame really that petty? I don't believe he is. Something seems off with that story. Either way, Joe needs to do what is best for "us" while going off that original list. That seems like a fair compromise.

As far as the "he'd do right by him" statement...I am assuming he meant within reason.......and not taking back the bare minimum. Certainly, Dame realized that.
 
Just seems like if you knew the exact details, Eric wouldn't fret about it being our lottery pick. but what do I know
Knew some details, not every detail, and it's not something where you can 100% believe intel, so that's why we fretted about it.
 
Cronin not moving fast enough for Dame'a liking? Most meaningful free agents signed day one. He couldnt have "moved any slower". Hes had two years to make progress and the only meaningful win-now upgrade he's made is a guy Dame recruited. You think I'm biased for Dame, I think your biased for Cronin.

How can a dude tout winning free agent battles, say they need to do well in free agency, don't do anything, then say that was never really the plan? That's a direct contradiction.

Amd there you go again claiming you know what I think, say, or do.
When did Joe say that was never really the plan? Perhaps it is you who is putting words in other people’s mouths. And when did anyone say “Bones think this”?
 

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