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Sheldon Shape said:


We are occupied...
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Yes. The U.S is under influence of many forces.

"Qatar’s influence has extended into academia, real estate, sports, and even U.S. media—particularly Fox News—mirroring its controversial tactics seen in Israel’s "Qatar-Gate" affair. Documents submitted to the U.S. Department of Justice under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) reveal Qatar’s deep penetration into the American media landscape, particularly targeting conservative outlets."...'Qatar’s goal was clear—to promote favorable narratives about the emirate, known for its complex ties with Hamas and Iran, and position itself as a reliable partner in the eyes of Trump and his administration"..

It is not occupation. It is interests being promoted.
The American people have a choice.
They can go AIPAC/Qatar/None..
But it is not like people are being held at gunpoint - the persuation is a choice.
 
I also believe another thing Mark Kelly said.
"The actual damage assessment will take quite a while and someone will have to physically see what is left."

I don't think this is over by any stretch of the imagination.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
https://www.ynetnews.com/business/a...um=referral&utm_campaign=hjuuz7p11xe#autoplay

Yes. The U.S is under influence of many forces.

"Qatar’s influence has extended into academia, real estate, sports, and even U.S. media—particularly Fox News—mirroring its controversial tactics seen in Israel’s "Qatar-Gate" affair. Documents submitted to the U.S. Department of Justice under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) reveal Qatar’s deep penetration into the American media landscape, particularly targeting conservative outlets."...'Qatar’s goal was clear—to promote favorable narratives about the emirate, known for its complex ties with Hamas and Iran, and position itself as a reliable partner in the eyes of Trump and his administration"..

It is not occupation. It is interests being promoted.
The American people have a choice.
They can go AIPAC/Qatar/None..
But it is not like people are being held at gunpoint - the persuation is a choice.
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You are utterly lost and delusional...
 
There are no Trump handlers any more. Only enablers.

Resistance has to come from below.
 
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People who are making this about Trump are making a grave mistake. Kamala was echoing Trump prior to elections about a nuclear Iran. Both parties are bought and paid for. Both parties are failures. Acting like Biden/Kamala didn't enable Israel's belligerence are being dishonest.

Trump went this far and he should be held accountable, but some people here only have a problem with this because Trump is heading it. If a Democrat did they'd be silent.

Lots of performative outrage.
 
kjironman1 said:
Mark Kelly on Meet the Press this morning.

"It's always the person that has never actually been in the military or in combat that wants to bomb someone"
Kind of fits this situation.

The fact is most people think Iran is a very small country that doesn't like the US. The real fact is that about 25% of the world population is Muslim and most don't like the US. That equates to about 2 billion people that don't like what the US just did. Add to that a bunch of Chinese and Russians and now you have well over half the world.

Lets add that this administration has pissed off pretty much every one of our allies. I'm not sure that this will work out well for us.

Lets hope Trumps handlers know what they are doing and they can control him.
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Why do you want US to be liked? Is that a measurement for something?
Sheldon Shape said:
You are utterly lost and delusional...
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You are calling me lost and delusional by not agreeing with me that Americans have a choice?
Remember Marlboro commercials?
They were banned. But does it mean people could not choose not to buy the ciggarettes?
We can promote any life we see fit (Pro Life / Pro abortion) but people should have the option to choose.
You want Fox news? Go Ahead. You want Al Jazeera - no prob you got it.
But by saying AIPAC promoting a narrative and hence you are all occupied - is plain propaganda and a narrative infusion in itself.
 
Had a call from an old friend last night who needed to vent about Trump going to war (his wife doesn't want to hear it either). He had just come home from Las Vegas. On the way they stopped at a store outside Creech AFB. The clerk told my friend that normally, 14 Predator drones are based at Creech, but that as of the day before, every single one of them had flown out. Well now we know where they are......welcome to Trump's War.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Why do you want US to be liked? Is that a measurement for something?

You are calling me lost and delusional by not agreeing with me that Americans have a choice?
Remember Marlboro commercials?
They were banned. But does it mean people could not choose not to buy the ciggarettes?
We can promote any life we see fit (Pro Life / Pro abortion) but people should have the option to choose.
You want Fox news? Go Ahead. You want Al Jazeera - no prob you got it.
But by saying AIPAC promoting a narrative and hence you are all occupied - is plain propaganda and a narrative infusion in itself.
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I think what is becoming clear is that the average Israeli really has no clue what the average American citizen thinks and the average American has no real clue what the average Israeli thinks. We're all being lead by our noses by corrupt and possibly insane "leaders". But you should definitely educate yourself on AIPAC. It ain't the benign organization you make it to be, and has an egregiously large influence on American policies in general.
 
If the goal was/is to destroy Iran's nuclear program, we should have sent the B2s on the first day of the war.

Not the 9th.

Multiple reports are saying the uranium was already removed when we bombed the sites yesterday.

This is a huge problem.

While Iran might not have a nuke, the uranium can easily be turned into a dirty bomb.

Every port in the US and Europe is now an easy target.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I think what is becoming clear is that the average Israeli really has no clue what the average American citizen thinks and the average American has no real clue what the average Israeli thinks. We're all being lead by our noses by corrupt and possibly insane "leaders". But you should definitely educate yourself on AIPAC. It ain't the benign organization you make it to be, and has an egregiously large influence on American policies in general.
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Some source for review referencing both AIPAC and Qatar for self education purposes:
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FURTHER READING

 
JD Vance on Meet the Press acknowledged Americans got sick of 25 years of war in the Middle East, but we had "stupid presidents" then and now we have Trump.

No comment.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Some source for review referencing both AIPAC and Qatar for self education purposes:
SOURCES

FURTHER READING

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Where did I say one word about Qatar??? Because Qatar greases American palms with a shit ton of money, then it's okay for the AIPAC to do the same??? Both entities (and every other single one like those two) should be booted from this country and declared illegal. Don't conflate one with the other. You just proved my original point; Israelis really don't have a clue how or what the average American thinks. You just want to sell us on the fallacy that two wrongs make a right so your own country can keep doing the wrong thing right along side ours. We're both led by idiots. The only difference between you and I is that I'm not drinking the Koolaid or buying bridges in the desert.........
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Some would argue that 40 years of going- no-where diplomacy could use some checkers instead of chess. Let the pendulin swing. Let processes process.
Change is hard. Sometimes you got to make the jump.
October 7th was the push of the pendulin, the throw of the rock in the river. We are now witnessing the aftermath. And hoping good may rise at the end of ripples and swings.
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There is no good that can outweigh the bad that has occurred on or since that tragic event. It jas been a percussion of worsening tragedies fueled by greed and ignorance.

In short, it's been an absolute inexcusable cluster fuck that turned Israel from a somewhat sympathetic country into an almost inarguable villain in the eyes of the world.

There will almost certainly be decades of vengeance exacted upon Israel regardless of the outcome.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Some would argue that 40 years of going- no-where diplomacy could use some checkers instead of chess. Let the pendulin swing. Let processes process.
Change is hard. Sometimes you got to make the jump.
October 7th was the push of the pendulin, the throw of the rock in the river. We are now witnessing the aftermath. And hoping good may rise at the end of ripples and swings.
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That sounds good when you step back and the timeline looks shorter from perspective.

My issue is was the nuclear deal Obama and the West struck with Iran working? If if was, then the rock being thrown into the pond wasn't Oct. 7. It was the day Trump decided to pull out of that deal. If he doesn't do that, Oct. 7 doesn't happen.

Speaking of Oct. 7, BTW, I view that with a healthy dose of incredulity. I just don't see how an attack like that can be carried out so successfully by an enemy sharing a border against a military-conscious country with one of the most potent intelligence forces in the world and one of the most efficient armed forces. And the country it's being enacted against just happens to be led by a man who is on shaky and political footing and had been warning against things like this for decades. Something smells a bit fishy about this to me.
 
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2Fluffy4U said:
Some source for review referencing both AIPAC and Qatar for self education purposes:
SOURCES

FURTHER READING

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So what do you think about Game 7 tonight? What do you think the Thunder are going to throw at Halliburton coming off that pick n roll on the weak side?
 
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Sheldon Shape said:
People who are making this about Trump are making a grave mistake. Kamala was echoing Trump prior to elections about a nuclear Iran. Both parties are bought and paid for. Both parties are failures. Acting like Biden/Kamala didn't enable Israel's belligerence are being dishonest.

Trump went this far and he should be held accountable, but some people here only have a problem with this because Trump is heading it. If a Democrat did they'd be silent.

Lots of performative outrage.
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I wouldn't have supported this regardless of who was president. And I don't think Kamala would have bombed Iran.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Why do you want US to be liked? Is that a measurement for something?

You are calling me lost and delusional by not agreeing with me that Americans have a choice?
Remember Marlboro commercials?
They were banned. But does it mean people could not choose not to buy the ciggarettes?
We can promote any life we see fit (Pro Life / Pro abortion) but people should have the option to choose.
You want Fox news? Go Ahead. You want Al Jazeera - no prob you got it.
But by saying AIPAC promoting a narrative and hence you are all occupied - is plain propaganda and a narrative infusion in itself.
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The US can't and shouldn't try to control AIPAC. That's insane. The US should remove the ability of ANY entity to influence our politicians to do anything.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The US can't and shouldn't try to control AIPAC. That's insane. The US should remove the ability of ANY entity to influence our politicians to do anything.
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We talk about all the bad things that have come out of Trump's presidencies that will take years to fix.

I think the worst, and the one that gets the least attention, is that it's basically legal now for judge's to accept "gifts" for favorable decisions and for foreign entities to openly buy our legislators.

How anyone thinks this is a good idea is beyond me. But, then, it's not that it's a good idea. They know why it's not. It's just that the people voting for it also coincidentally are the people getting paid when it passes.
 
PCmor7 said:
That sounds good when you step back and the timeline looks shorter from perspective.

My issue is was the nuclear deal Obama and the West struck with Iran working? If if was, then the rock being thrown into the pond wasn't Oct. 7. It was the day Trump decided to pull out of that deal. If he doesn't do that, Oct. 7 doesn't happen.

Speaking of Oct. 7, BTW, I view that with a healthy dose of incredulity. I just don't see how an attack like that can be carried out so successfully by an enemy sharing a border against a military-conscious country with one of the most potent intelligence forces in the world and one of the most efficient armed forces. And the country it's being enacted against just happens to be led by a man who is on shaky and political footing and had been warning against things like this for decades. Something smells a bit fishy about this to me.
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100% agree. As terrible as it was, the people should really be pissed at the Israeli government for letting it happen. They either knowingly let it happen or they were asleep on the job.
 
Despite whatever intelligence failures, after October 7 the world's sympathy was with Israel, as it was with US after 9/11. And like the US, Israel squandered that goodwill with assault on Gaza and the slaughter of civilians including children. Putting hostages in greater danger.
 
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