Religion Mid East Religious War, Now with added USA Involvement!

[Phatguysrule]

Wrong!

The reason your plan worked in Japan and Germany is because their leaders unconditionally surrendered, and gave complete security control to the allies. And many of their leaders were punished for war crimes.

I believe a case of your plan, of only having partial control, not working is Korea. The part controlled by the allies did much better for their people. And people still controlled by the communist are in far worse shape. Plus, this war never ended. More than 70 years later, N Korea is still a treat to world security today. The wars with Japan and Germany did end.

Hamas a UNRWA must go, or, this war never ends.

Hamas and UNRWA are nothing compared to North Korea. These are terrorists. Not military powers.

They don't have the power to keep Israel out the way North Korea has done, and they don't have the benefit of being bordered with a superpower like China.

Quite the opposite.

You literally can't root out Hamas by force without killing nearly everyone in Gaza. That's what you're advocating for. It's genocide.

The people will have to root them out, and the only way they'll do that is if you empower them and give them a better option.

 

[Voodoo]

Interesting choice of words to be calling this a ‘war’. Not sure systematically killing thousands of civilians who aren’t fighting back is what most rational humans consider to be ‘war’.

We may strongly disagree in the other thread, but glad to see we find agreement here.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not every disagreement with Israel is spouting Hamas propaganda. And children are not pint sized terrorists. Although if you want to teach them to hate, bombing their home and killing their family...

This exactly. Israel is creating far more hate by their actions than they are killing. One you kill turns multiple into your enemies.

I have no dog in the fight, but this is just not sound strategy.

 

[Hoopguru]

Interesting choice of words to be calling this a ‘war’. Not sure systematically killing thousands of civilians who aren’t fighting back is what most rational humans consider to be ‘war’. I think there’s a more appropriate term that I can’t quite place at the moment. I think it might start with a G.

Hamas is the only one interested in complete genocide of Israel. They shout it from the roof tops and train young people to hate and kill Jewish people. Once Hamas is removed only then can Palestine see a bright prosperous future. The Abraham accord will bring prosperity and peace to many of the Arab countries.

 

[oldfisherman]

You literally can't root out Hamas by force without killing nearly everyone in Gaza. That's what you're advocating for. It's genocide.

The people will have to root them out, and the only way they'll do that is if you empower them and give them a better option.

Wrong, again!

You are advocating to protect the terrorists. I am advocating to do what is necessary to end this WAR.

People do not end wars. The leaders that control the money funding the war decide when it ends.

The leaders funding this Hamas war on Israel are hiding in fancy resorts in Qatar, Turkiye and Iran. Payed for by western money. It is these leaders that need to be eliminated, not more innocent people. End the funding behind the war, and then start fixing Gaza.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Wrong, again!

You are advocating to protect the terrorists. I am advocating to do what is necessary to end this WAR.

People do not end wars. The leaders that control the money funding the war decide when it ends.

The leaders funding this Hamas war on Israel are hiding in fancy resorts in Qatar, Turkiye and Iran. Payed for by western money. It is these leaders that need to be eliminated, not more innocent people. End the funding behind the war, and then start fixing Gaza.

Not everyone in Gaza is a terrorist. In fact, the vast majority are not.

I am advocating that those who are not terrorists be protected. Anybody who acts as a terrorist should be targeted. But no innocents.

If the leaders are in Qatar, Turkey, and Iran i would suggest attacking them there if an attack has to happen. Why would attacking Gaza impact them?

What's happening in Gaza right now has no chance at success without genocide. Which would be a tragedy and a failure of epic proportions.

 

[jonnyboy]

Hamas is the only one interested in complete genocide of Israel. They shout it from the roof tops and train young people to hate and kill Jewish people. Once Hamas is removed only then can Palestine see a bright prosperous future. The Abraham accord will bring prosperity and peace to many of the Arab countries.

Where does bombing refugee camps and infrastructure, killing 10,000 children and cutting off food, water and medical supplies play into this bright and prosperous future? It’s pretty clear at this point Israel (the government, not necessarily the people) wants a land free of Palestinians and will just kill them all if that’s what it takes. I’m not sure how anyone could look at the sum of all these parts and come to any other conclusion.

 

[oldfisherman]

This is a war. Hamas fighters are organized in military units based around battalions.

This all could end today.. Return all of the hostages. Israel will not stop fighting until they have all of their people back.

If so many people in Gaza are innocent,(which I do not believe), why are they not trying to end the fighting by helping to release the hostages? Many people in Gaza know where the hostages are being held, but are protecting Hamas.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Where does bombing refugee camps and infrastructure, killing 10,000 children and cutting off food, water and medical supplies play into this bright and prosperous future? It’s pretty clear at this point Israel (the government, not necessarily the people) wants a land free of Palestinians and will just kill them all if that’s what it takes. I’m not sure how anyone could look at the sum of all these parts and come to any other conclusion.

It's all disingenuous. You can't reason with openly racist and homicidal people. Facts don't matter to them. Facts are antisemitic. That's why they've killed so many journalists.

40 beheaded babies? Debunked.

Heads on clotheslines? Debunked.

Mass gangrapes? Debunked.

Hamas command center under hospital? Debunked.

Hamas tunnels under 16 desecrated cemeteries? Debunked.

UNRWA helping Hamas? Debunked.

Don't bother engaging with these genocidal lunatics who don't actually value Jewish life. They sound like old, lonely men. No different than the incels we saw rise from under rocks during MAGA.

This genocide is BAD for Jewish people around the globe. Bibi and the rest of Israel continues to say there will only be one state, which is to the right of Biden and Hamas asking for a two state solution.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

AmirIcon
Rather than debating your long list of faulty Hamas propaganda, and lies. Please answer these 10 questions.

You don't have to address anything I said, but I'm supposed to watch a 17 minute video to answer some questions? That's how I know the Zionism has gone to your head.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

No, you create safe and protected schools and hospitals in Gaza, and you protect them. You exclude Hamas and UNRWA from participating.

Win hearts and minds and the people will eventually make them go.

Hamas and UNRWA may attack you and they may attack the people of Gaza in retaliation for working with you.

That works to the benefit of Israel in the long term.. that is how the terrorists lose the hearts and minds of Gaza.

LMAO dude, the UNRWA thing has been completely debunked. People making allegations is not proof. Anyone who disagrees with them is either murdered or labeled a Hamas sympathizer. Meanwhile, it was Netanyahu who propped up Hamas to kill any two state solution. Guess we should label him a Hamas sympathizer then too?

 

[oldfisherman]

You don't have to address anything I said, but I'm supposed to watch a 17 minute video to answer some questions? That's how I know the Zionism has gone to your head. You sound like a bitter, lonely man with no one to love.

Thank you for the compliment.

And admitting your beliefs are so faulty and weak, you refuse to watch a video that addresses everything you said.

The only weapon you have to fight the truth is trying to discredit those that do not believe your Hamas propaganda and lies.

Again, thank you for the compliment.

 

[Phatguysrule]

LMAO dude, the UNRWA thing has been completely debunked. People making allegations is not proof. Anyone who disagrees with them is either murdered or labeled a Hamas sympathizer. Meanwhile, it was Netanyahu who propped up Hamas to kill any two state solution. Guess we should label him a Hamas sympathizer then too?

Not trying to get into what exists and what doesn't. It doesn't matter, IMO.

If Israel wants this to stop Israel is going to have to be better. No pointing fingers at the other side.

If they can't do that they will go down in history as being wrong and stoking the flames of hate.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Thank you for the compliment.

And admitting your beliefs are so faulty and weak, you refuse to watch a video that addresses everything you said.

The only weapon you have to fight the truth is trying to discredit those that do not believe your Hamas propaganda and lies.

Again, thank you for the compliment.

LMAO. Can't make this stuff up.

 

[Hoopguru]

Where does bombing refugee camps and infrastructure, killing 10,000 children and cutting off food, water and medical supplies play into this bright and prosperous future? It’s pretty clear at this point Israel (the government, not necessarily the people) wants a land free of Palestinians and will just kill them all if that’s what it takes. I’m not sure how anyone could look at the sum of all these parts and come to any other conclusion.

Hamas has several brigades or terrorist there, why dont they surrender or leave Palestine? War would be over.

 

[crandc]

American, I like a lot of what you say but please, personal insults unnecessary. Even when someone is wrong.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

American, I like a lot of what you say but please, personal insults unnecessary. Even when someone is wrong.

Thank you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think it might start with a G.

God?

 

[oldfisherman]

When Hamas started this war on Oct 7th. They had 24 heavily armed and well equipped battalions of fighters.

According to the last "official" report I have seen. Israel has been in combat with 17 of these battalions. What is left of those 17, and the 7 fresh reserve battalions are now in Rafah city. Hiding behind women, children and hostages, like the chicken shit rapist cowards they are.

 

[Hoopguru]

In 5 years Gaza will be free off Hamas and the Palestinian People / State will be thriving and surviving like never before. Once the cancer is removed completely and the Abraham accords kick in, there will be so many more opportunities for the people of Palestine. Palestine will look more like Dubai than a poverty stricken terroist haven.

 

[Phatguysrule]

When Hamas started this war on Oct 7th. They had 24 heavily armed and well equipped battalions of fighters.

According to the last "official" report I have seen. Israel has been in combat with 17 of these battalions. What is left of those 17, and the 7 fresh reserve battalions are now in Rafah city. Hiding behind women, children and hostages, like the chicken shit rapist cowards they are.

Yes. They are chicken shit rapist cowards to hide behind women and children.

Killing the women and children is probably not a good solution.

 

[oldfisherman]

Yes. They are chicken shit rapist cowards to hide behind women and children.

Killing the women and children is probably not a good solution.

I understand, two wrongs do no make a right. However, there is a problem Israel now faces.

The raping of Jewish woman is still happening, probably even as I write this.

Released hostages report women still held hostage, are being raped, with a gun at their head.

If this was your wife, mother or daughter, what would you do?

Then when the Hamas men are done using them, they kill them. Just like they did to that young pretty German girl.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I understand, two wrongs do no make a right. However, there is a problem Israel now faces.

The raping of Jewish woman is still happening, probably even as I write this.

Released hostages report women still held hostage, are being raped, with a gun at their head.

If this was your wife, mother or daughter, what would you do?

Then when the Hamas men are done using them, they kill them. Just like they did to that young pretty German girl.

Would I kill innocent women and children to kill people that hurt or even killed my wife or children?

No. I can honestly say that I would not.

 

[oldfisherman]

In 5 years Gaza will be free off Hamas and the Palestinian People / State will be thriving and surviving like never before. Once the cancer is removed completely and the Abraham accords kick in, there will be so many more opportunities for the people of Palestine. Palestine will look more like Dubai than a poverty stricken terroist haven.

I hope this happens. And agree with you. However, I believe the cancer goes beyond Hamas, and Iran.

Disclaimer. These are my opinions, based on watching countless interviews of many Palastinian people. From grandmothers, shop owners, students and Hamas fighters.

When asked the question, why they want the Jews out Israel? ALL of them gave the same answer. Because Israel is their land, and they want it back.

The problem with this answer is. All of them have been taught from childhood, and strongly believe this lie. They refuse to listen to the historical evidence that support the Jews right to live there. This faulty belief is why such a large % of Palistinians support Hamas.

Step one the getting rid of Hamas.

Step two, is educating the Gazans on the truth, so they can peacefully live beside the Jews, and become good neighbors.

 

[Hoopguru]

I hope this happens. And agree with you. However, I believe the cancer goes beyond Hamas, and Iran.

Disclaimer. These are my opinions, based on watching countless interviews of many Palastinian people. From grandmothers, shop owners, students and Hamas fighters.

When asked the question, why they want the Jews out Israel? ALL of them gave the same answer. Because Israel is their land, and they want it back.

The problem with this answer is. All of them have been taught from childhood, and strongly believe this lie. They refuse to listen to the historical evidence that support the Jews right to live there. This faulty belief is why such a large % of Palistinians support Hamas.

Step one the getting rid of Hamas.

Step two, is educating the Gazans on the truth, so they can peacefully live beside the Jews, and become good neighbors.

Yep...educating them and showing them the benefits of peaceful economic progress.T he purpose of the accords is to advance regional security and stability; pursue regional economic opportunities; promote joint aid and development programs; and foster mutual understanding, respect, coexistence, and a culture of peace.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

American, I like a lot of what you say but please, personal insults unnecessary. Even when someone is wrong.

Just so I have this right, blatant racism and advocating for the mass murders of innocent children is okay, but not personal insults?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

 

[crandc]

Just so I have this right, blatant racism and advocating for the mass murders of innocent children is okay, but not personal insults?

Did I say that?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Did I say that?

You only said something to me, but it doesn't seem that anything was said to those espousing blatant racism.

 

[crandc]

You only said something to me, but it doesn't seem that anything was said to those espousing blatant racism.

Because they aren't worth talking to. I think you are.