Mike Conley? WTF?! (Trade rumor)

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Maybe this move will kickstart Greg AND Mike.

I'm surprised Blazersedge isn't all over this, yet.
 
Da_O said:
Whatever happens IKPWT
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Of all the points being made in this whole thread, this one makes the most sense.

Whatever it is that we do, I trust that KP will make the right choice, whether it involves Conley or not. Him and his team have been geniuses so far and I don't expect them to lay an egg just yet.
 
You guys wouldn't trade anyone decent for anyone. Someone posted this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...9~29&te=&cash=

I find that laughable. Conley was brought in as a project, not as an instant star like Rose and other PG's. This franchise is waiting to see what we saw at OSU. If not we'll probably look else where, but we'll definally not trade him for a player who will be a damn backup for a long time.
 
La Bomba said:
You guys wouldn't trade anyone decent for anyone. Someone posted this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...9~29&te=&cash=

I find that laughable. Conley was brought in as a project, not as an instant star like Rose and other PG's. This franchise is waiting to see what we saw at OSU. If not we'll probably look else where, but we'll definally not trade him for a player who will be a damn backup for a long time.
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unfortunately Outlaw could arguably be your third best player
 
La Bomba said:
He would still come off the bench because we aren't benching Gay, and neither can play PF.
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You obviously haven't paid much attention to Outlaw over the past two season. He's more effective at PF than he is at SF.
 
Uh, so 6'9 Hakim Warrick can play 25 mpg at PF, but 6'9 Outlaw can't? Especially in an uptempo offense?
 
Outlaw is a good PF - especially in fast-pace basketball - but I would hate giving him up for Conley when we already have Bayless. I would still love to have Conley - but Travis is too much to give for him at this point - he is a project and unfortunately, not a project that you can be absolutely sure will be successful (I think he can, with the right coaching - but still...).
 
Minstrel said:
I wouldn't trade Outlaw for a third-string point guard and third-string power forward. Outlaw has become a good player, starter-quaiity and a premium scorer off the bench. In either role, he has a lot more value than Conley and/or Warrick.

I'd much rather just keep Outlaw and Blake. I want a consolidation trade, but this just seems like a drastic downgrade in total talent.
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exactly... I'd be really shocked if this deal (as rumored) went through.

Maybe I caught him on a bad night, but I saw a Griz game last week and Conley did not impress at all. He was inefficient in his movements and didn't look like he knew how to attack the D. Just bad... I'd much rather have Bayless get any minutes Conley might garner.

STOMP
 
Fez said:
You obviously haven't paid much attention to Outlaw over the past two season. He's more effective at PF than he is at SF.
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Having watched every game so far this year but one, I've been paying attention and dude is playing his best ball ever this year playing mainly from the 3. This is probably because he's a better player now then he's ever been... should I insult you now to complete my post?

I think this positional effectiveness argument is silly as his offensive game is the same attack wing role he plays regardless of who he's guarding on the other end.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Having watched every game so far this year but one, I've been paying attention and dude is playing his best ball ever this year playing mainly from the 3. This is probably because he's a better player now then he's ever been... should I insult you now to complete my post?

I think this positional effectiveness argument is silly as his offensive game is the same attack wing role he plays regardless of who he's guarding on the other end.

STOMP
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I don't think I have ever seen Outlaw post up. He spots up, takes step back jumpers, and slashes to the rim.
 
Today's Oregonian says that KP says that there's absolutely nothing to this rumor. He pulled Travis aside yesterday and told him he's going nowhere. KP says that he likes the team the way it is and that the phones are quiter now with trade talk than at nearly any time in the past that he can remember.
 
e_blazer said:
Today's Oregonian says that KP says that there's absolutely nothing to this rumor. He pulled Travis aside yesterday and told him he's going nowhere. KP says that he likes the team the way it is and that the phones are quiter now with trade talk than at nearly any time in the past that he can remember.
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While I truly believe that he had a talk with Outlaw, I doubt that the phone lines have been quiet. There have been so many big trades this year and with teams being off balanced or looking to clear cap space, I can see how the Blazers would be great trading partners.

Plus, we've been playing well without our starting small forward who's due back in about a week.

Couple that with Bayless seeing next to no time at all, and it appears that the eventual solution will be to make a trade. Unless everyone is happy playing 15 minutes a game.
 
Exaggeration, SheedSoNasty. Our 12 active players can play 240/12 = 20mpg.

Everyone plays 20 and we're copasetic! Rotation problems solved!

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Outlaw needs to be traded. Webster is coming back, and Batum is already a lot better than Travis at everything.


Now, what does this team need? IMO it needs better perimeter defenders, a PG who can and will penetrate and either finish or dish, and a rugged no nonsense PF

So adding Conley would help one of those things, but where does he play? I don't really think it is a good idea to trade Sergio because right now he is just as good or better than Conley is.

The one thing that would make some sense is to get a third team involved, add some players, or make another trade.

Outlaw for Conley straight up would be great.

Adding Sergio doesn't make a lot of sense, but there is no way our roster should have 3 PG's all under the age of legal intoxication, or close to it.



I'd rather wait and hope Atlanta comes down to earth and deal for Bibby and Williams
 
Diana Prince said:
Outlaw needs to be traded. Webster is coming back, and Batum is already a lot better than Travis at everything.

Now, what does this team need? IMO it needs better perimeter defenders, a PG who can and will penetrate and either finish or dish, and a rugged no nonsense PF

So adding Conley would help one of those things, but where does he play? I don't really think it is a good idea to trade Sergio because right now he is just as good or better than Conley is.

The one thing that would make some sense is to get a third team involved, add some players, or make another trade.

Outlaw for Conley straight up would be great.

Adding Sergio doesn't make a lot of sense, but there is no way our roster should have 3 PG's all under the age of legal intoxication, or close to it.



I'd rather wait and hope Atlanta comes down to earth and deal for Bibby and Williams
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Actually, Batum is better right now at the role that Webster has tried to fill for three seasons.

Webster looks like odd man out unless he elevates his game almost immediately. His contract is perfect for a trade, and he is an NBA player...just not a very good one at this point. Yet he is still young and relatively cheap, so he looks like the piece to be moved. Webster can't play Outlaw's role with the second unit, so he'd be taking minutes from either Joel, Frye, or Rudy, I'd guess.
 
Yea Martell is going to have a lot of work to do to keep his roster spot. He and Channing look to be on the outside looking in.
 
If we really want Conley why don't we just sign him in 2 years? It looks like he's becoming a bust so far, so why not just wait it out?
 
e_blazer said:
Today's Oregonian says that KP says that there's absolutely nothing to this rumor. He pulled Travis aside yesterday and told him he's going nowhere. KP says that he likes the team the way it is and that the phones are quiter now with trade talk than at nearly any time in the past that he can remember.
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I trust Pritchard when it comes to the moves he makes, but I don't really trust him (or any great GM) when it comes to public comments about what he plans to do. Of course he says that he likes the team the way it is, he hardly helps his trade position by suggesting that he really wants to unload a player.

I'm not saying that he definitely will make a move (though I'd be very surprised if he didn't make a fairly significant deal by the trade deadline), but his comments are probably no real indication about what will happen.
 
e_blazer said:
Today's Oregonian says that KP says that there's absolutely nothing to this rumor. He pulled Travis aside yesterday and told him he's going nowhere. KP says that he likes the team the way it is and that the phones are quiter now with trade talk than at nearly any time in the past that he can remember.
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This makes me believe the deal is going to happen now. KP's words can't be trusted.

He's a smart guy and one of the best at what he does, but I just don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.
 
I bet KP and Nate and the gang have had several discussions on the potential logjam on this team when we're at full health.
I agree with Minstrel and RoyToy.. KP will never tell the media the truth about what's going on. It's not a slight to his character or anything, it's just you don't want to reveal what you're doing to the rest of the league. I have full trust in whatever KP plans on doing... if he is planning on doing anything to consolidate.
 
I'm not saying that there's a correlation, but it seems odd that in the last few years...

Telfair (and this is from OLive...I wasn't on BBF) was lambasted by a bunch of the posters there who hated his game. He was traded by KP for Roy.
Zach was lambasted by many as being a black hole and not a good teammate and was bandied around in rumors for about a year. He was traded by KP.
Jack was lambasted by many as not being able to play PG for us. He was bandied about in rumors for about a year. He was traded by KP.

In each of these there was a vocal minority (and in some cases, still is) who state that there will be repercussions for giving up good players for seemingly not very much, or giving up people that we'd rue in the future. (Or converesly, that the players we got back suck).

Right now, Outlaw and Frye and Webster (to a smaller extent) meet the qualifications above. I personally think that KP signing Webs to a long, reasonable deal mitigate him being shipped out of town. But I am pretty sure KP has a target, and we'll either see the target on our team at the break, or signed this summer in FA.
 
Maybe this trade is to do this...

Clear a logjam and consolidate.
Get Oden a friend that can motivate him and make him happier since he is one of our cornerstones.
And, he would just sit on the end of the bench and not play, which would help Nate in playing time, and has a pretty good contract.

So to sum it up, maybe he wants to consolidate, but instead of getting an expiring that would sit on the bench to help with the logjam, he wants to get Oden's friend?

IDK, but its something to think about. I don't want him, but meh. In KP i trust, and always will.

When Webster comes back, my best guess is he is the backup SF and gets Frye's minutes and a little of Outlaws to put him at around 18mpg until he earns more PT... for the playoffs we just see who is playing the best and gives us the best chance to win and preferably cut it down to an 8 man rotation.
 
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IDK that we ever go to an 8-man, but maybe.

Other than that, I agree with most of your post.

And aside from being Greg's BFF, he actually has a little bit of game. Not coming out right now, but he was decent starting last year.
 
He does have game, but not enough for PT. And if we DID trade Sergio or Blake, he would be fighting with Bayless for a couple minutes, and I think Bayless is better, and thought he outperformed him in preseason, and innhialated him in comparison during summer league. Bayless got 11, 3 and 3 in the games w/ consistent minutes during the preseason, and of course got 30, 3, and 2 in summer league.

But this trade would allow more minutes for a Rudy/Roy backcourt as well, and hopefully give us a 9-10 man rotation for good, which we could trim down to 9 during the playoffs.

Don't think its a good trade, but this might be another way to look at it. This could allow us to ease in Bayless with 5ish mpg.
 
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MrJayremmie said:
Maybe this trade is to do this...

Clear a logjam and consolidate.
Get Oden a friend that can motivate him and make him happier since he is one of our cornerstones.
And, he would just sit on the end of the bench and not play, which would help Nate in playing time, and has a pretty good contract.

So to sum it up, maybe he wants to consolidate, but instead of getting an expiring that would sit on the bench to help with the logjam, he wants to get Oden's friend?

IDK, but its something to think about. I don't want him, but meh. In KP i trust, and always will.

When Webster comes back, my best guess is he is the backup SF and gets Frye's minutes and a little of Outlaws to put him at around 18mpg until he earns more PT... for the playoffs we just see who is playing the best and gives us the best chance to win and preferably cut it down to an 8 man rotation.
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Highly, highly unlikely. If Conley is not a real player and not a significant upgrade (or even an upgrade at all) over what we have then I can envision almost no situation where he's starting ahead of Blake, then he probably ends up unhappy and vents to his good buddy Greg, which runs the risk of having a more negative impact on Oden's psyche than a positive.

I don't see a lot of logic in this Conley rumor, especially with both Blake and Sergio (plus Roy too) playing really solid ball at the one, and while I have no doubt that KP fields and initiates trade talk all the time, and makes public statements that are completely contrary, this time I actually believe KP when he says this trade is dead -- not all trades, but this particular one.
 
Here's a trade with Memphis that makes sense for both teams. Hell, I'd even throw in $3 million and our 1st round pick next year. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...95~2794~3417~2754&teams=22~22~29~29&te=&cash=

The Grizz need Frye more than Travis. Fry would be their starting PF and backup center. Then they can let Darko go back to Europe where he belongs. Bayless would be a great scorer next to Mayo. We get our pg of the future. Win/Win. Let Warrick walk when his contract expire next year and we bring Joel Freeland over next year to be our 3rd string center.... I like it, what do you think? It also means KP wasn't lying when he said Outlaw isn't going anywhere... and explains why KP was having such a long talk with Bayless. I think Bayless is demanding more playing time, we just haven't heard about it yet.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'm not saying that there's a correlation, but it seems odd that in the last few years...

Telfair (and this is from OLive...I wasn't on BBF) was lambasted by a bunch of the posters there who hated his game. He was traded by KP for Roy.
Zach was lambasted by many as being a black hole and not a good teammate and was bandied around in rumors for about a year. He was traded by KP.
Jack was lambasted by many as not being able to play PG for us. He was bandied about in rumors for about a year. He was traded by KP.

In each of these there was a vocal minority (and in some cases, still is) who state that there will be repercussions for giving up good players for seemingly not very much, or giving up people that we'd rue in the future. (Or converesly, that the players we got back suck).

Right now, Outlaw and Frye and Webster (to a smaller extent) meet the qualifications above. I personally think that KP signing Webs to a long, reasonable deal mitigate him being shipped out of town. But I am pretty sure KP has a target, and we'll either see the target on our team at the break, or signed this summer in FA.
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The big difference is of course that Telfair was supposed to be the PG of the future, later Jack was supposed to be the PG of the future and Zach was the corner-stone of the team.

In comparison - No one ever thought of Frye as the PF of the future, Outlaw is a backup and spark-plug/instant offense off the bench and no one ever thought he would be the #1 SF or PF on the team.

The only one that seems to be suffering from the correlation you mention is Webster who used to be the SG of the future (until Roy erased any of these thoughts) and later SF of the future (where Batum is clearly the leader in the house).

I just can't imagine Travis being dealt unless it brings us a real stud (since it is so hard to find another athletic freak like him that can take a game over and is willing to come off the bench). I still say that the ones most likely to be dealt are Webster (redundant with Batum's emergence) and either Blake or Sergio (One of them will probably be the long-term backup PG and the other stands in the way of Bayless).

Frye is also easy to replace - since we can just slide Outlaw to the backup 4 position.

I can't see the Blazers dealing Blake this year unless it is for a stud starting PG. I doubt they will deal Sergio this year - since he helps Rudy so much.

So, my gut feeling is that they Blazers will be more willing to trade Frye/Webster with the Contract - and will consider Outlaw only for an amazing return.
 
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