Minnesota wants Batum @ 11.25M a year
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
If Batum was a Harden type of player I'd be more excited about these figures... He's not, so you don't WAY overpay for an AVERAGE SF/SG..... let him walk...
If Batum was a Harden type of player I'd be more excited about these figures... He's not, so you don't WAY overpay for an AVERAGE SF/SG..... let him walk...
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
...kind of, but it definitely rounds out a nice long versatile lineup! [^ added video above to take a look ^]
...kind of, but it definitely rounds out a nice long versatile lineup! [^ added video above to take a look ^]
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
$12 Mil is overpaying for Batum compared to other young swing players.
However, if Hibbert signs the Blazer offer on day one, and the Pacers do not match:
I say match Minny's toxic offer, or work out a sign and trade with them. They have a lot of interesting assets.
Under no circumstance should we let Batum walk.
Getting Hibbert will use up all our cap space, and letting Batum walk only gives us $5mil more in cap space to use. That isn't enough to get us Ilyasova or Lou Williams.
Better to match Batum. If he doesn't live up to his contract the team can trade him in a year or two.
If the team salaries get too high in a couple of years, the team can trade one of their big money players.
What the team can't do, is use this summer's cap space on Hibbert, and then try to replace the production and value of Batum with a small money slot. All we could get for that would be the 3rd tier Free Agent leftovers. There are a LOT of teams with cap space this summer, and any player worth a damn is getting overpaid.
$12 Mil is overpaying for Batum compared to other young swing players.
However, if Hibbert signs the Blazer offer on day one, and the Pacers do not match:
I say match Minny's toxic offer, or work out a sign and trade with them. They have a lot of interesting assets.
Under no circumstance should we let Batum walk.
Getting Hibbert will use up all our cap space, and letting Batum walk only gives us $5mil more in cap space to use. That isn't enough to get us Ilyasova or Lou Williams.
Better to match Batum. If he doesn't live up to his contract the team can trade him in a year or two.
If the team salaries get too high in a couple of years, the team can trade one of their big money players.
What the team can't do, is use this summer's cap space on Hibbert, and then try to replace the production and value of Batum with a small money slot. All we could get for that would be the 3rd tier Free Agent leftovers. There are a LOT of teams with cap space this summer, and any player worth a damn is getting overpaid.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Wow - it would be poetic justice if being cheap with Bayno ended costing us way more on Batum.
Shit, now I know why Jazz fans hate Portland brass so much. It's funny when we do it to them, not so much the other way.
Minny's got to feel good about being a "preferred destination". Shit, if they got Batum and Roy, I might care more about them than the Blazers, at least for a while.
Nic's basically our only exciting player. I mean, I love Aldridge and I'd love to get Hibbert, but they're not what you'd call "exciting". And Lillard is a jumpshooter - woo woo. Don't make me demand 30mpg from Elliot Williams just to keep me awake...
Wow - it would be poetic justice if being cheap with Bayno ended costing us way more on Batum.
Shit, now I know why Jazz fans hate Portland brass so much. It's funny when we do it to them, not so much the other way.
Minny's got to feel good about being a "preferred destination". Shit, if they got Batum and Roy, I might care more about them than the Blazers, at least for a while.
Nic's basically our only exciting player. I mean, I love Aldridge and I'd love to get Hibbert, but they're not what you'd call "exciting". And Lillard is a jumpshooter - woo woo. Don't make me demand 30mpg from Elliot Williams just to keep me awake...
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
No they don't! Beasley's useless, Derek Williams is Beasley II, Randolph's a headcase, Martell is Martell, Wesley Johnson is reason #1A (along with Johnny Flynn, another "interesting asset" the Wolves had) why everyone thinks Syracuse players suck, and they have DARKO MILICIC. They're not giving up the only assets worth a damn, Rubio, Love and Pekovic. Or are you interested in Barea?
Here I agree with you.
True dat.
Exactly.
No they don't! Beasley's useless, Derek Williams is Beasley II, Randolph's a headcase, Martell is Martell, Wesley Johnson is reason #1A (along with Johnny Flynn, another "interesting asset" the Wolves had) why everyone thinks Syracuse players suck, and they have DARKO MILICIC. They're not giving up the only assets worth a damn, Rubio, Love and Pekovic. Or are you interested in Barea?
Here I agree with you.
True dat.
Exactly.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
...if that's the case, then ask PA to roll the dice one more time and see what happens for that year -or- two. A sign-n-trade is an interesting option as well, do teams still do that? And if so, then who else is interested in Batum and who could we possibly get in return?
...if that's the case, then ask PA to roll the dice one more time and see what happens for that year -or- two. A sign-n-trade is an interesting option as well, do teams still do that? And if so, then who else is interested in Batum and who could we possibly get in return?
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Minnesota has Webster, now wants Roy and Batum huh? As a Blazer fan that three couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs..... NEXT!
Batum just doesn't have the kller instinct on a regular basis for this to make any sense!
Minnesota has Webster, now wants Roy and Batum huh? As a Blazer fan that three couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs..... NEXT!
Batum just doesn't have the kller instinct on a regular basis for this to make any sense!
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
@blazermb: “@robcee10: @blazermb you worried we're going to lose Batum?” No. I think anything he gets is matched. Just my opinion.
@blazermb: “@robcee10: @blazermb you worried we're going to lose Batum?” No. I think anything he gets is matched. Just my opinion.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
I remember people saying LMA was overpaid, and that the Blazers should have waited until he was a RFA instead of offering him an extension.
I remember people saying LMA was overpaid, and that the Blazers should have waited until he was a RFA instead of offering him an extension.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Are you guys really fine with paying Batum double what Harden is making? This is a joke!
Are you guys really fine with paying Batum double what Harden is making? This is a joke!
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Wait a second on my previous post.
I saw a figure of $12.9mil for Hibbert's first year salary. That is lower than I thought, assuming close to correct.
First, at the "low" an amount, I think Indy ends up matching. Though they can't afford it long term, they also can't afford to let talent walk like that. They will have to figure out the finances later.
Second, if the Pacer's owner does pass on matching and we get Hibbert, we would have more cap space than I thought.
The Oregonion tweeted that the Blazer's will have $16.5mil in cap space.
On Blazer's Edge, a poster showed a spreadsheet that claims the Blazers will be able to have $17.3mil in cap space and up to $18.9mil if they use the stretch provision on Shawne Williams.
So, if we get Hibbert, and we have to make a decision on matching a toxic offer to Batum, we will have cap space of:
$3.6mil to $6mil.
That space could be used before matching Batum to sign another free agent or to sign Freeland or Claver.
If the Blazers do not match Batum's toxic offer, they then would have his cap hold of $5.4mil released, and the total cap space would increase to a range of $9mil to $11.4mil.
That would put the Blazers in the running for lots of players that don't sign on the first day. Ilyasova, Ryan Anderson (R), Lou Williams, and others.
So, would you rather pay Batum $12mil per, or chase after (and most likely "overpay") a different free agent?
Wait a second on my previous post.
I saw a figure of $12.9mil for Hibbert's first year salary. That is lower than I thought, assuming close to correct.
First, at the "low" an amount, I think Indy ends up matching. Though they can't afford it long term, they also can't afford to let talent walk like that. They will have to figure out the finances later.
Second, if the Pacer's owner does pass on matching and we get Hibbert, we would have more cap space than I thought.
The Oregonion tweeted that the Blazer's will have $16.5mil in cap space.
On Blazer's Edge, a poster showed a spreadsheet that claims the Blazers will be able to have $17.3mil in cap space and up to $18.9mil if they use the stretch provision on Shawne Williams.
So, if we get Hibbert, and we have to make a decision on matching a toxic offer to Batum, we will have cap space of:
$3.6mil to $6mil.
That space could be used before matching Batum to sign another free agent or to sign Freeland or Claver.
If the Blazers do not match Batum's toxic offer, they then would have his cap hold of $5.4mil released, and the total cap space would increase to a range of $9mil to $11.4mil.
That would put the Blazers in the running for lots of players that don't sign on the first day. Ilyasova, Ryan Anderson (R), Lou Williams, and others.
So, would you rather pay Batum $12mil per, or chase after (and most likely "overpay") a different free agent?
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
To be fair, Harden will get the max next summer.
To be fair, Harden will get the max next summer.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Yea we should have learned and given Batum the extension he wanted. Now the price is going up up up.
One of the biggest reasons we need Batum for the future of the Blazers is his ability to match up defensively with Kevin Durant. That is if we plan to compete at all the next five years...
Yea we should have learned and given Batum the extension he wanted. Now the price is going up up up.
One of the biggest reasons we need Batum for the future of the Blazers is his ability to match up defensively with Kevin Durant. That is if we plan to compete at all the next five years...
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
That's a stupid comparison: Harden is on a rookie contract. That also brings up the issue that Batum has been on a rookie contract for 4 years - and a LOW one at that, because he was picked at 21 (I think) and only fell because of false rumors about heart trouble. So think of a large chunk of his new contract as making up for being underpaid before.
Harden will get the max. Come back then.
That's a stupid comparison: Harden is on a rookie contract. That also brings up the issue that Batum has been on a rookie contract for 4 years - and a LOW one at that, because he was picked at 21 (I think) and only fell because of false rumors about heart trouble. So think of a large chunk of his new contract as making up for being underpaid before.
Harden will get the max. Come back then.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
That will only be true if we whiff on Hibbert (and any other FA we pursue). If we'd've given Batum the extension, we wouldn't've had cap space.
That will only be true if we whiff on Hibbert (and any other FA we pursue). If we'd've given Batum the extension, we wouldn't've had cap space.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
well yeah we would have, just not as much
well yeah we would have, just not as much
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
My point is don't you think a player like Harden in a year is money well spent, cause he's actually earned it with consistent play vs Mr. whishy washy Batum? I'd rather have a player that brings it every night than banking a large amount of cash on a player that has never reached the next level in several years...
My point is don't you think a player like Harden in a year is money well spent, cause he's actually earned it with consistent play vs Mr. whishy washy Batum? I'd rather have a player that brings it every night than banking a large amount of cash on a player that has never reached the next level in several years...
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Harden is going to get a max offer from someone next year.
Harden is going to get a max offer from someone next year.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Um, what? He's a good shooter, but his game relies on his quickness and beating defenders off the dribble. I can't wait to see LMA and Lils run a PnR.
Um, what? He's a good shooter, but his game relies on his quickness and beating defenders off the dribble. I can't wait to see LMA and Lils run a PnR.
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Joe Freeman @BlazerFreeman
According to @JerryZgoda Nicolas Batum will fly to Minny tonight to talk with Timberwolves.
Joe Freeman @BlazerFreeman
According to @JerryZgoda Nicolas Batum will fly to Minny tonight to talk with Timberwolves.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
I think Lillard is going to be a very crafty PG, and honestly Williams ready to go with his aggressive play let's me worry less about losing Batum!
I think Lillard is going to be a very crafty PG, and honestly Williams ready to go with his aggressive play let's me worry less about losing Batum!
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Harden's PER by years.
14
16
21
Plus, he's not a starter. After seeing Miami shut him down, I'd be nervous paying him as a franchise player.
Harden's PER by years.
14
16
21
Plus, he's not a starter. After seeing Miami shut him down, I'd be nervous paying him as a franchise player.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Any chance PA could have Batum put on the No Fly list?
Any chance PA could have Batum put on the No Fly list?
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Batum on a good team like Miami, LA, Boston, Chicago wouldn't be a starter either..... Further.... Harden will be starting in a year for some team.... I hope it's us, although I think Williams barring injury could really surprise some people!
Batum on a good team like Miami, LA, Boston, Chicago wouldn't be a starter either..... Further.... Harden will be starting in a year for some team.... I hope it's us, although I think Williams barring injury could really surprise some people!
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Hope Batum enjoys his vacation to Minnesota.
Hope Batum enjoys his vacation to Minnesota.
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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year
Batum would most certainly start for the Lakers, and probably Miami as well once Battier finally loses a step. He wouldn't start over Deng or Paul Pierce, but then again, Harden doesn't start over Thabo Sefalosha, and has only had one season where he's averaged more than 27mpg.
Batum would most certainly start for the Lakers, and probably Miami as well once Battier finally loses a step. He wouldn't start over Deng or Paul Pierce, but then again, Harden doesn't start over Thabo Sefalosha, and has only had one season where he's averaged more than 27mpg.