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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

RR7 said:
do you have a link to it being days?
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There was already a link earlier in the thread. Have you provided a link as evidence for your claims? I didn't see one.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Minstrel said:
The way I think it should go down, and the way that makes most sense to me, is that all offers submitted on a particular day are considered to be the "same time" and when the offer is matched, the matched player's caphold changes only after all other offers that were made the same day (as the matched player's offer was made) are resolved.

That seems most logical and realistic to me, but until someone actually shows some evidence, I'm not going to make any assumptions about how it's done.
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why don't U guys let it go, it's a beautiful day outside, lol
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Natebishop3 said:
That information is pretty vague about specifics (not to mention old and outdated).
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"the date" is very specific. Find me a link that says it's not the date, but rather the "exact moment in time when the league receives the contract".
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

PapaG said:
"the date" is very specific. Find me a link that says it's not the date, but rather the "exact moment in time when the league receives the contract".
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I don't understand where they are getting their "opinion" on how it works from, or why they believe it. I've never heard of it being done like that before, and I don't see why it would be now. Having until midnight of the final day is the only logical way.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

VanillaGorilla said:
There was already a link earlier in the thread. Have you provided a link as evidence for your claims? I didn't see one.
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no, I admitted not knowing. And am perfectly happy to be wrong. Was just the way I understood it to be. The old CBA stating from that date, I guess I'll go with that that time doesn't matter.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

VanillaGorilla said:
There was already a link earlier in the thread. Have you provided a link as evidence for your claims? I didn't see one.
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There isn't a clear definition of how it works. His link didn't provide any information either. All it said was that the team would have seven days. That's great, all we've been saying is that a team will have three days. It doesn't say if it's at 11:59 PM or when the team submits the offer. This is pertinent. We're not quibbling over minute details here. However the league does it, that will effect whether or not we keep Batum. That's pretty damn topical for this thread. I have no idea why you guys are getting so butthurt about this. Nobody has been able to produce information one way or the other that clearly explains how the league handles the offers on RFA.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Natebishop3 said:
There isn't a clear definition of how it works. His link didn't provide any information either. All it said was that the team would have seven days. That's great, all we've been saying is that a team will have three days. It doesn't say if it's at 11:59 PM or when the team submits the offer. This is pertinent. We're not quibbling over minute details here. However the league does it, that will effect whether or not we keep Batum. That's pretty damn topical for this thread. I have no idea why you guys are getting so butthurt about this. Nobody has been able to produce information one way or the other that clearly explains how the league handles the offers on RFA.
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Which part of "the date" is escaping you?

Really, let it go. You were wrong. No big deal.

Nobody is butthurt. I am a bit confused why you continue to cling to something that clearly is not true, though.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

PapaG said:
Which part of "the date" is escaping you?

Really, let it go. You were wrong. No big deal.

Nobody is butthurt. I am a bit confused why you continue to cling to something that clearly is not true, though.
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Nobody is butthurt? I've been pretty much slammed for an opinion...... and apparently someone hates my avatar. If that's not butthurt, I don't know what is. You and I had already moved on and were discussing possible issues that would present themselves if it's actually 11:59 pm and some people still felt the need to take swings at RR7 and myself for a simple disagreement of opinion.
 
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Who is butthurt? In my experience, the ones calling others butthurt are the ones who actually have something up their ass.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Taking swings? I asked a question. For about 3 pages you seemed so sure of your opinion, and I wanted to know why. I still haven't received an answer.. Stop being so sensitive man.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

You're right, I didn't see Masbee's post. Randomly saying he hates your avatar is evidence of butthurt. Carry on.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

South East said:
I think the Blazers and Batum will come to an agreement way before the signing period. If Batum signs with Minnesota I think Portland has already let him know they don't want to match. The Blazers wanted him to find his market value and bring it back to them. He has done that and now they will make an offer based on that and it will never get to a point where he signs with Minnesota if the Blazers are serious about bringing him back.
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This is exactly what I thought when I read that he was planning to meet with the Blazers after his Minnesota visit. Batum via his agent seemed to make quite the fuss during extension negotiations that the Blazers tried to low-ball him last fall. Now that they can come back and report what the market is willing to bear I think Nicolas would probably like to stay in Portland all things being equal, but they want to see if the Blazers are serious about paying him what he and his agent thinks he's worth ... or maybe take a very slightly less amount on a yearly basis for the fifth year option.

Depending on how things go later this week, I would say the signs are good that Nic remains a Blazer for the foreseeable future ... now whether or not this is a good thing from a cap management standpoint is another discussion -- 11-12 million per year is a lot of scratch for a guy that hasn't exactly wowed people with his killer instincts.

We could be looking back in a few years really regretting this decision (if he stays or if he goes).
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

(Late to the party)...

I haven't heard anything in the CBA negotiations that they were changing the mechanism of the RFA ROFR other than the 7-days-down-to-three-days thing. As such, it's just like Millsap's, where you have until midnight on the third day to utilize the ROFR. Not seventy-two hours...not 4320 minutes...3 days.

And as for the queueing thing, I imagine it's like the trade deadline, where there's a queue of deals that were submitted at literally the last minute, and the league can take some extra time to go over in order to make sure everything's kosher and things like this don't happen. If it did come down to the chicken game (which I don't think it would) I'd imagine that we'd have a phone line into the NBA office and have them prepped, saying "if Hibbert is matched then we're matching Batum" or "if Hibbert's not matched then we're letting Batum go" or whatever.

But that 4-5 solid pages of arguing about seconds and broken faxes was fun reading. ;)
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Would you do this:

Williams, Johnson, and Ridnour for Batum, Smith, & a 2nd Round Pick....
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Take out Johnson and I'd do it. Johnson is fodder but I like the potential in Williams.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Tince said:
Would you do this:

Williams, Johnson, and Ridnour for Batum, Smith, & a 2nd Round Pick....
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Of course I'd do that. I can't see any reason why Minnesota would though. Williams was the #2 pick last year. They're going to trade him + 2 other players for Nic & garbage?
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

League source "Far better chance the Wolves land Batum through S&T."
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Haven't read through the thread, but can Derrick Williams play sf if they decided to do a sign and trade? I would much rather start him there than Babbitt and Claver.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

He's a tweener, but MIN's convinced him to not add the "15 pounds of muscle" this summer and instead slim down to play more of a straight-up 3.

We'd be buying extremely low. He's (although he didn't exactly prove it last year) a very good shooter. You don't just forget how to shoot 57% from 3 in a year, no matter how crappy the team. He's actually really good iso and in the post, but he rebounds less than LMA does and can be turnover-prone. But as a 3? He could be lethal.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Ben Golliver
Reading between lines on latest report about Nicolas Batum and the fact that no agreed offer has materialized yet (after almost 48 hours), MIN's stance appears to be that they are not willing to make an offer that they are confident POR will not match. Who is the BIG-dollar bidder for Batum if not MIN? POR has no motivation to pursue sign-and-trade with MIN as price for Batum just decreased if they won't even make offer sheet. Positive sign for Blazers to keep Batum.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Ben Golliver ‏@blazersedge
Not making offer sheet & asking agent to explore S-and-T is like telling dealer you are out of cash but can trade used video games
 
santeesioux said:
Haven't read through the thread, but can Derrick Williams play sf if they decided to do a sign and trade? I would much rather start him there than Babbitt and Claver.
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I think he can but he is seen as a stretch four

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Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Batum for Derrick Williams? Yes please! Get something in return if were losing Nic. Derrick Williams is a nice consolation prize.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

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I think Williams has a future at the 3. With Love at the 4, Pekovic at the 5 and their attempts to sign Batum. Its obvious they don't see him in their future at the 3. He's he's probably very attainable.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

I'd do a sign and trade for Williams without much hesitation. He's kind stuck between 3 and 4, but if he can slim down and get a little more agility for it, I think he's got a much more aggressive mentality than Nicolas and he was a really good shooter in college.

I'm suddenly having images as such:
Lillard/Billups (or vice versa)/Smith
Wesley (or whomever?)/Williams/Barton
Williams/Babbitt
LA/Freeland?
Hibbert/Leonard

That's a pretty good looking group right there. I'd still be on the lookout for consolidation trades and maybe try to find another shot creator on the wing, but I'd pay to watch that team.
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Bingo:

Tom Haberstroh‏@tomhaberstroh

Bizarre shots fired. RT @andrewzimmern: Batum is T-Wolves offseason priority A. That is why they are arguably worst franchise in pro sports.


Retweeted by John Hollinger
 
Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

And who is Andrew Zimmern?
 
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