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BonesJones said:
Because they have bigger stadiums... Comparing MLB attendance to NBA attendance is absolutely ridiculous. The MLB has 30K-40K seat stadiums, compared to 18K-20K capacity NBA stadiums.. But if you want to compare, MLB averaged 28K fans per game last year. The NBA averaged 18K.

A 2-1 game with 3 hits doesnt take 4 hours. Do you not know baseball? That doesnt happen. The average game time was 3 hours flat through 9 innings, while the NBA has an average game time of around 2 hours, 20 minutes. Baseball would be sped up with a pitch clock.

The beauty of a baseball season is that theres 162 games, and often times the difference between a division championship or post-season birth will come down to 1 or 2 games.

You're suggesting cutting 67% of game action for an entire season. That's insane. Not only would that be a horrible business decision, but it'd also be hated by its core group of die-hard fans, and would fail to bring in or engage new fans.
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How could you possibly know that? I myself would follow every game if it were shorter and not as boring. I'm sure there are tons of people in my boat.
 
dviss1 said:
Peninsula Park had a whole little league of very diverse teams.

I played in that league.

Shame that's gone now.

MLB probably has the lowest black participation rate they've ever had.
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I played at Peninsula too. Overlook, Columbia, Arbor Lodge and others back in late 50's early 60's.
 
yuyuza1 said:
How could you possibly know that? I myself would follow every game if it were shorter and not as boring. I'm sure there are tons of people in my boat.
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Making the game shorter isn't going to make it less boring. People think it's boring because it's too slow and nothing happens. That could possibly be somewhat fixed by a pitch clock, but most people who find it boring dont find meaning in balls and called strikes. Making it games 6 innings and the season 81 games is a bad idea on multiple fronts.
 
Mediocre Man said:
LOL. That was better backtracking than a cornerback. You have no answer. I am not misinformed. Every single thing I brought up is as legitimate obstacle.
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Like i said it is fine with me if you want to think that. But if you were to look into it a bit you might find that those things have already been dealt with. In particular the TV deal. Start with Seattle playing Portland 3 series a year. Then go to infrastructure funding by Tri Met and see about public transportation. Then look into road expansion projects for the Industrial area of NW Portland. Then look into the MLB's statements on an expansion team going to Portland.
Like i said. I am through doing other people's research for them. You seem to have missed quite a bit.
 
BonesJones said:
With this plan, we're all but guaranteed an expansion team, which should happen in the next 6 to 7 years. Also, almost, if not all big cities without an MLB team are in the regional TV zone of another franchise. That's not going to stop expansion, unless you think they'll never expand at all.

So that's two of your points down the drain, so into the third... if you think public funding for road construction is going to stop this project from happening, then I dont know what to tell ya.

Obviously the mayor and the project (who's done much more research on the matter than any of us) have confidence in it. No reason you shouldnt.
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Tell me why or how we are guaranteed expansion.

Also, the Orioles owner pitched a fit about the Nationals. MLB payed him off....will they don't show in? Word I heard was no. Nationals also had one of the worst tv deals because of it.
 
I grew up playing baseball in West Linn when it was still part of the Three Rivers League. Pat Bailey, who's now the Oregon State head coach was at West Linn then did a great job of setting up local camps in the area. One of my high school classmates, Andrew Checketts, eventually played for OSU and coached at UO. He's now head coach of UC Santa Barbara. University of Portland was the center of year round skills camps for local athletes to go to. They were a lot like the famous 5 Star basketball camps that were popular at the same time. Head coaches Terry Pollreisz and Joe Etzel did as much as anybody to keep H.S. baseball in Portland going. At least until Pat Casey began coaching at OSU.
 
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kjironman1 said:
Like i said it is fine with me if you want to think that. But if you were to look into it a bit you might find that those things have already been dealt with. In particular the TV deal. Start with Seattle playing Portland 3 series a year. Then go to infrastructure funding by Tri Met and see about public transportation. Then look into road expansion projects for the Industrial area of NW Portland. Then look into the MLB's statements on an expansion team going to Portland.
Like i said. I am through doing other people's research for them. You seem to have missed quite a bit.
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Your "research", if not flawed, is way to optimistic.

I hope it happens, I just think we are getting ahead of ourselves. Lots of hurdles left
 
ripcityboy said:
I grew up playing baseball in West Linn when it was still part of the Three Rivers League. Pat Bailey, who's now the Oregon State head coach was at West Linn then did a great job of setting up local camps in the area. One of my high school classmates, Andrew Checketts, eventually played for OSU and coached at UO. He's now head coach of UC Santa Barbara. University of Portland was the center of year round skills camps for local athletes to go to. They were a lot like the famous 5 Star basketball camps that were popular at the same time. Head coaches Terry Pollreisz and Joe Etzel did as much as anybody to keep H.S. baseball in Portland going. At least until Pat Casey began coaching at OSU.
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I remember Checketts. Good pitcher. Started the Championship game against Sprague (it was Sprague, right?) back in the day. UCD took us to the game at Civic Stadium. I remember Pat Bailey and have an acquaintance that is close to him. I grew up in Wilsonville before (during and after) the HS existed there, so a lot of sports were West Linn and Wilsonville as one program before splitting off.
 
dviss1 said:
MLB probably has the lowest black participation rate they've ever had.
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Wait, what? I think it's higher than zero, which it was at up until Jackie Robinson.

barfo
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I remember Checketts. Good pitcher. Started the Championship game against Sprague (it was Sprague, right?) back in the day. UCD took us to the game at Civic Stadium. I remember Pat Bailey and have an acquaintance that is close to him. I grew up in Wilsonville before (during and after) the HS existed there, so a lot of sports were West Linn and Wilsonville as one program before splitting off.
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I honestly can't remember. It's been so long. Checkett was a really good pitcher though. Originally went to a small school in Florida before transferring to OSU. I was surprised he wasn't offered the UO job when Horton's contract was up. But Mullens is apparently buddies with the UO head coach and gave him anothet try. I don't think that small ball approach Horton has to the game is working. They haven't consistently been able to manufacture runs in Eugene.
 
dviss1 said:
Peninsula Park had a whole little league of very diverse teams.

I played in that league.

Shame that's gone now.

MLB probably has the lowest black participation rate they've ever had.
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Wilshire Park used to CRUSH Peninsula!!!!!
 
ripcityboy said:
I honestly can't remember. It's been so long. Checkett was a really good pitcher though. Originally went to a small school in Florida before transferring to OSU. I was surprised he wasn't offered the UO job when Horton's contract was up. But Mullens is apparently buddies with the UO head coach and gave him anothet try. I don't think that small ball approach Horton has to the game is working. They haven't consistently been able to manufacture runs in Eugene.
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He went to FLORIDA before transferring. Believe he was drafted by Boston but didn’t last long.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
He went to FLORIDA before transferring. Believe he was drafted by Boston but didn’t last long.
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Blazing. It's been over 20 fucking years since I last saw him. You could have told me he planned to take animal husbandry at NW Tallahassee Juco and I'd have believed you.
 
ripcityboy said:
Blazing. It's been over 20 fucking years since I last saw him. You could have told me he planned to take animal husbandry at NW Tallahassee Juco and I'd have believed you.
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He went to the NASA Station in Cape Canaveral.

Sorry - I wasn’t trying to be a dick, just saying where he went. He was a big deal outta high school was my point.
 
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