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julius said:
I think that was for the original group, the current group is using that as part of the total, but mostly privately funding the rest.
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I vaguely remember it being that way from the beginning. I don't think the players' taxes were going to cover the whole cost.
 
Phatguysrule said:
As long as it's self funded I'm I'm all for it.

I also think our professional athletes should be exempt from payroll tax. The economic benefit they bring is worth far more than what we get from their income tax. And if we're better we'll bring in even more.
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All for not paying tax, if they generate a positive, but I doubt this State would ever think that way. Thats the way we need to think.
 
Phatguysrule said:
As long as it's self funded I'm I'm all for it.

I also think our professional athletes should be exempt from payroll tax. The economic benefit they bring is worth far more than what we get from their income tax. And if we're better we'll bring in even more.
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Id favor zero state tax in lieu of a sales tax.
 
Hoopguru said:
Id favor zero state tax in lieu of a sales tax.
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If someone was smart (and we know that'll never happen), they'd propose 0% income tax, and much lower property tax and make a sales tax. And put in the law that there is a cap on all 3 of them. As in, the highest income tax you can have is like 5% (and that's it) and the top property tax is like capped at whatever % the state of Washington has.

Problem is, property taxes are tapped for soooooo many things that it's probably impossible to figure it out, and whoever proposes a change just says "we'll have a sales tax!" and nothing would be done to the other 2 to compensate.
 
julius said:
If someone was smart (and we know that'll never happen), they'd propose 0% income tax, and much lower property tax and make a sales tax. And put in the law that there is a cap on all 3 of them. As in, the highest income tax you can have is like 5% (and that's it) and the top property tax is like capped at whatever % the state of Washington has.

Problem is, property taxes are tapped for soooooo many things that it's probably impossible to figure it out, and whoever proposes a change just says "we'll have a sales tax!" and nothing would be done to the other 2 to compensate.
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Yup..... the government doesn't get rid of taxes. They only add new ones. They will never get rid of the property or income taxes, and I often wonder how long it will be before we have enough people move here to finally get the sales tax passed.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yup..... the government doesn't get rid of taxes. They only add new ones. They will never get rid of the property or income taxes, and I often wonder how long it will be before we have enough people move here to finally get the sales tax passed.
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We miss so much additional revenue from tourist on one of our largest industries.
 
Vegas makes no sense. They're running out of water, and still continue to grow. I just don't see enough support in Sin City. They're private dollars would be better spent on pipelines from the Pacific Coast & Desalination plants. Portland would be great place. Population is there to support it. Older folks love baseball , and will go. Hipsters and other youthful groups will go cause it's new. Plus the Stadium Design Plan is fantastic, and great place to spend a wonderful spring to fall day/evening. Vegas can suck it.
 
Build it and they will come — eventually.

That’s literally the only way: put pressure on the MLB instead of begging.

That’s why this campaign never took off. This same route will have the same result as the Expos pitch.
 
Fez Forthright said:
Build it and they will come — eventually.

That’s literally the only way: put pressure on the MLB instead of begging.

That’s why this campaign never took off. This same route will have the same result as the Expos pitch.
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I do agree, that the Portland Baseball Group needs to have their shit together, and show the League that they are GO GUNS on getting the Stadium Built. No if, ands , or Buts. In other words, get team, dirt moving next day.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
And this is why I said, baseball in Portland is never going to happen until a stadium is built, and even then, probably not:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...ys-process-whether-athletics-stay-oakland-end
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PDX Diamond Project have been very straightforward that they prefer to own the team not have a team with owners already move here. They'd take the 2nd option if that was the only way, but the fact still remains that if an expansion team is the goal then having the A's move to Vegas is the best possible chance Portland has of getting a team.
 
I still plan on moving back to PDX in the future, and I just want to see a Major League Baseball Franchise in the Rose City one way or another.
 
hoopsjock said:
PDX Diamond Project have been very straightforward that they prefer to own the team not have a team with owners already move here. They'd take the 2nd option if that was the only way, but the fact still remains that if an expansion team is the goal then having the A's move to Vegas is the best possible chance Portland has of getting a team.
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Some don't see it that way but i tend to agree expansion is probably the best option for Portland rather than getting a team to move here. I personally like the idea better.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Some don't see it that way but i tend to agree expansion is probably the best option for Portland rather than getting a team to move here. I personally like the idea better.
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as long as Portland truly gets a fair break on this. The stadium plan is fabulous and dynamic. I'd hate to see a city like Montreal, who blew it with a bad stadium, and poor attendance to get baseball back. To me, MLB should expand by 2 cities, Portland & Nashville.
 
Hoopguru said:
Id favor zero state tax in lieu of a sales tax.
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This is too regressive, IMO.

The benefits to no income tax for athletes is the added value that being more competitive in sports would bring us.

A more consistently successful team could lead to a more profitable stadium area and more national exposure for the city and state.

It should pay for itself.

A sales tax just shifts the tax burden to the poor and middle class.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
This is too regressive, IMO.

The benefits to no income tax for athletes is the added value from being more competitive in sports would bring us.

A more consistently successful team could lead to a more profitable stadium area and more national exposure for the city and state.

It should pay for itself.

A sales tax just shifts the tax burden to the poor and middle class.
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A lot of people don't understand taxes. The poor and middle class spend more of their actual income than the rich.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
A lot of people don't understand taxes. The poor and middle class spend more of their actual income than the rich.
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Here in Colorado, we have state tax(though smaller %), and Sales Tax. I'm spending a lot more on Food, Pet Food, Toiletries, you name it. On top of that, Rent is higher here. So even though i couldn't afford to live on my own in Springfield, and i'm making more money here, i'm still struggling to make ends meet. It's never ending when you're on the lower earning scale. Wealthy people don't get lower earners struggles to survive. 57 and i'll retire when i'm dead.
 
The Blazers, Broncos, & Rockies are my vacations from reality. Thank God I have them. Even though they aren't all playing great, they still give me an escape from real world B.S.
 
tykendo said:
Here in Colorado, we have state tax(though smaller %), and Sales Tax. I'm spending a lot more on Food, Pet Food, Toiletries, you name it. On top of that, Rent is higher here. So even though i couldn't afford to live on my own in Springfield, and i'm making more money here, i'm still struggling to make ends meet. It's never ending when you're on the lower earning scale. Wealthy people don't get lower earners struggles to survive. 57 and i'll retire when i'm dead.
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a friend of mine just move to Denver (well, the outskirts of Denver) and part of the reason was that he said it was going to be cheaper for him to live there than where he lived in Portland. I'm interested in seeing how true that ends up being, if at all.
 
julius said:
a friend of mine just move to Denver (well, the outskirts of Denver) and part of the reason was that he said it was going to be cheaper for him to live there than where he lived in Portland. I'm interested in seeing how true that ends up being, if at all.
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Portland is so expensive
 
Fairly-Hard said:
A lot of people don't understand taxes. The poor and middle class spend more of their actual income than the rich.
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This is OT, so I apologize in advance, but.......
It drives me crazy that republican voters actually think they don't like taxes, but when republican politicians get a chance, they print money like mad - which is the same as a flat tax.
 
julius said:
a friend of mine just move to Denver (well, the outskirts of Denver) and part of the reason was that he said it was going to be cheaper for him to live there than where he lived in Portland. I'm interested in seeing how true that ends up being, if at all.
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He better be WAYYYY out of Denver to find cheaper housing. Plus to register his vehicle, he will go from 4 years (mine was 40.00 in Oregon), to a % of his vehicle's value for 1 years tags. If his vehicle is around 20,000 he will pay around 600.00 for 1 year's tags. My dog food was 22.00 a week there, 24+ here. Car insurance 125 there, 151, lesser coverage ,here. He's gonna get a wake up call.
 
tykendo said:
He better be WAYYYY out of Denver to find cheaper housing. Plus to register his vehicle, he will go from 4 years (mine was 40.00 in Oregon), to a % of his vehicle's value for 1 years tags. If his vehicle is around 20,000 he will pay around 600.00 for 1 year's tags. My dog food was 22.00 a week there, 24+ here. Car insurance 125 there, 151, lesser coverage ,here. He's gonna get a wake up call.
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That is so sad. Colorado is such an amazing state but there's no way to live there affordable.

It's why the Midwest is rising in population. Its the only affordable place left lol.
 
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