Moe Harkless ceiling.

[calvin natt]

if Layman can’t get time on this team then he is a bad nba player. That is all.

 

[dviss1]

If you spend even just one quarter watching Harkless you can tell his hearts just not in it. Especially on the offensive end. Check out his reaction to Dames game winner against the Lakers. He literally looks disappointed it went in. He’s been pouty before and I get the feeling he thinks more of himself then he should.

That's one way to interpret it. You could also say that he stays even keeled at all times. Which is true.

Assumptions about someone's thought process are just that, assumptions.

 

[TBpup]

Maybe Mo thought he was going to NY for Melo...

 

[Strenuus]

That's one way to interpret it. You could also say that he stays even keeled at all times. Which is true.

Assumptions about someone's thought process are just that, assumptions.

It's called the Fundemental Attribution Error. Between Actor-Observer, the observer believes it's something innate in the person, whereas it could be that the actor has something else that is making them act the way they are.

I.E. Someone cuts you off while driving.

Observer: "This person is an idiot, what the fuck was he thinking? Man, such stupid drivers" etc, etc

Actor: "Sorry, I'm late. Had a bad day. I'm sorry!" etc, etc.

It's a social psychology thing and its one of the most prevelant and prolific acts that is definitely ubiquitous as a human. We all do it.

 

[BonesJones]

If you spend even just one quarter watching Harkless you can tell his hearts just not in it. Especially on the offensive end. Check out his reaction to Dames game winner against the Lakers. He literally looks disappointed it went in. He’s been pouty before and I get the feeling he thinks more of himself then he should.

To be fair, he's always been like that. The thought has crossed my mind that he's over Portland, I mean we did only try and replace him all summer, but I wouldn't read too much into this.

But that's the exact problem. He should be trying to PROVE that he's better than the guys he might've been traded for. He should be trying to PROVE that we would've made a mistake if we traded him. He should be playing with a chip on his shoulder. But he doesn't. He doesn't hustle anymore, and he plays with no tenacity. He doesn't have his mind in it and doesn't care, and it's so obvious in his play. That's why I've gotten pissed at him lately. He's peaked (at least in Portland).

New York wanted him. We should be trying to snatch Courtney Lee for him. Maybe get a right to swap 1sts with NYK (might have to include Napier, but that would open up a main roster spot for Wade Baldwin).

 

[BonesJones]

if Layman can’t get time on this team then he is a bad nba player. That is all.

What a silly statement.

 

[Scalma]

But that's the exact problem. He should be trying to PROVE that he's better than the guys he might've been traded for. He should be trying to PROVE that we would've made a mistake if we traded him. He should be playing with a chip on his shoulder. But he doesn't. He doesn't hustle anymore, and he plays with no tenacity. He doesn't have his mind in it and doesn't care, and it's so obvious in his play. That's why I've gotten pissed at him lately. He's peaked (at least in Portland).

New York wanted him. We should be trying to snatch Courtney Lee for him. Maybe get a right to swap 1sts with NYK (might have to include Napier, but that would open up a main roster spot for Wade Baldwin).

Knicks are playing well but I think they'd be open to a Lee-Harkless swap. So would I. So should everyone else.

 

[tester551]

Knicks are playing well but I think they'd be open to a Lee-Harkless swap. So would I. So should everyone else.

Since Harkless was a target for the Knicks, I'd propose:
Hark + Meyers
for
Lee + OQuinn

 

[THE HCP]

Why get rid of Mo? Guys a great 7th or 8th guy like we've thought since we acquired him. He's done as expected. And he's cheap and young. If you thought he was more than that, thats on you.

 

[calvin natt]

What a silly statement.

Ha you are right I’m wrong. He’s a good player and the coaching staff just doesn’t see it. And they don’t need help at this position. Everything is going swimmingly with our current SF.

 

[Scalma]

Why get rid of Mo? Guys a great 7th or 8th guy like we've thought since we acquired him. He's done as expected. And he's cheap and young. If you thought he was more than that, thats on you.

He's a starter, what are you talking about?

 

[THE HCP]

He's a starter, what are you talking about?

Really?
Etwann Moore......Paul Zipser....... I mean just because you DO start don't mean you SHOULD. I've said in the past before we traded for Nurk, we have two stars and a bunch of roll players. A bunch of 6th-9th guys. Thus my prediction again this season for 40 wins.

 

[Scalma]

Really?
Etwann Moore......Paul Zipser....... I mean just because you DO start don't mean you SHOULD. I've said in the past before we traded for Nurk, we have two stars and a bunch of roll players. A bunch of 6th-9th guys. Thus my prediction again this season for 40 wins.

So you agree he shouldn't be starting, ok cool.

 

[BBert]

Aminu has always played much better as a stretch 4 than a true SF. He is not an upgrade over Harkless last year. Over Harkless this year? Possibly. But not enough of one to get us out of 1 and done imo.

Aminu ideally should come off the bench so he can play either SF or PF behind both our starters imo.

Oh. He was talking about Aminu. I had forgotten about him

 

[THE HCP]

So you agree he shouldn't be starting, ok cool.

I said earlier a couple times he is a quality role player. The type of player kinda good a a bunch of stuff, but not great in any. the kinda guy any team would want as their 6th-9th player.

 

[Schilly]

Finding an obtainable wing as a replacement is pretty hard if you look at the rosters around the league. It seems the league is in a SF thin era right now.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Harkless is useless. Gettin really frustrated with his game. He's not even trying to shoot anymore. We need to upgrade his position asap.

At this point I say start Layman when Aminu returns

 

[GrandJury]

At this point I say start Layman when Aminu returns

I agree this is about a .500 ball club anyway I’m sure Layman wouldn’t hurt it that much

 

[Scalma]

At this point I say start Layman when Aminu returns

When Aminu returns he should start at SF with Vonleh at PF. Harkless to the bench until he shows he deserves more time. If he continues to play like shit give Layman rotation minutes.

 

[Strenuus]

I agree this is about a .500 ball club anyway I’m sure Layman wouldn’t hurt it that much

Hows the fishing? Tell me good stuff.

 

[GrandJury]

Hows the fishing? Tell me good stuff.

?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Really?
Etwann Moore......Paul Zipser....... I mean just because you DO start don't mean you SHOULD. I've said in the past before we traded for Nurk, we have two stars and a bunch of roll players. A bunch of 6th-9th guys. Thus my prediction again this season for 40 wins.

You also said we only had one starting quality player going into the 2015-16 season. But we'll go ahead and take all your preseason player evaluations as gospel...

 

[SportsAndWhine]

When Aminu returns he should start at SF with Vonleh at PF. Harkless to the bench until he shows he deserves more time. If he continues to play like shit give Layman rotation minutes.

I don't like the lack of shooting there, but I get the idea.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

?

Trolling is a fishing term.

 

[Scalma]

I don't like the lack of shooting there, but I get the idea.

Like it's any different with Harkless lol

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Like it's any different with Harkless lol

Yes but we're trying to improve on that!

Aminu + Vonleh + Nurkic = No points scored... by either front line!

Layman is a defensive liability, but you can hide him because you have Aminu and Nurkic and Dame on the floor too.

 

[Scalma]

Yes but we're trying to improve on that!

Aminu + Vonleh + Nurkic = No points scored... by either front line!

Layman is a defensive liability, but you can hide him because you have Aminu and Nurkic and Dame on the floor too.

I actually don't think layman is a liability defensively. He's always shown well in that department imo. It's his shot that's broken, but at least he's not afraid to pull the trigger. If he ever found consistency with it he'd be at the minimum, a rotation player.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

I actually don't think layman is a liability defensively. He's always shown well in that department imo. It's his shot that's broken, but at least he's not afraid to pull the trigger. If he ever found consistency with it he'd be at the minimum, a rotation player.

Well, if Harkless won't shoot, and Layman can't shoot...

 

[GrandJury]

Hows the fishing? Tell me good stuff.

Ok I get what u meant the other poster explained..

How is this trolling?

 

[Strenuus]

Ok I get what u meant the other poster explained..

How is this trolling?