Rumor Moe Harklesss Part of Trade With Knicks !!!!! (2 Viewers)

[Rhal]

The fact Mo's name was discussed means nothing more or less then one side brought it up and it didn't have to go anywhere from there. I'd say it was the Knicks who brought Mo's name up as well as who leaked this info.

 

[theprunetang]

Everyone can go covfefe themselves. A handful of people and myself know how badly I just burned you, or not.

 

[BonesJones]

I know exactly what I am doing. I'm not personally insulting anyone. I'm insulting people like certain people, I'm insulting peoples posts, and I'm trolling cause I'm bored and on a bad mix of meds. None if those things are against the rules.

At least you admit it.

 

[Shaboid]

Everyone can go covfefe themselves. A handful of people and myself know how badly I just burned you, or not.

Stealing this one, cuz that ain't against the rules.

 

[chzbrgr]

If melo aint involved I aint interested

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If Hernangomez aint involved I aint interested

Ftfy.

 

[Minstrel]

If porzingis aint involved I aint interested

Better.

 

[Sarni]

Harkless, #15 and #26 for #8 and O'Quinn.

 

[SwissBlazer]

Thought at first that there will be a lot of news in this thread with si much replies. But instead I know new ways to attack people or defend myself. Yay

 

[Sarni]

The only problem I have with #8 this year is that it might be the pick where the quality drops significantly if you don't want a point guard.

Players who will 100% go before #8: Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox

That leaves Isaac, Smith, Ntilikina, Markkanen and Monk as potential players to go between #6 and #8. The most likely three are Smith, Monk and Isaac in no apparent order. That means there's a very good chance that all the best small forwards (Jackson, Tatum and Isaac) will all be gone by #8 and I'm not that keen on Markkanen to be honest. So you could eventually end up having to either draft Ntilikina (who we don't need) or reach for Zach Collins there. So maybe:

NYK get: Harkless, #15
POR get: #10, #34
SAC get: #8

This way Sacramento can be sure that they can get either Smith or Ntilikina, their point guard of the future, and will be free to get Tatum at #5. That deal actually works for everybody. We are left with #10 (Zach Collins), we can combine #20 and #26 or #20 and #34 for something slightly higher and get three better players than we expected, at the price of Moe Harkless. Let's say Chicago accept #16 for #20 and #34, we draft Justin Jackson at #16 and then get Anigbogu at #26. Perfect draft.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Thought at first that there will be a lot of news in this thread with si much replies. But instead I know new ways to attack people or defend myself. Yay

If there is going to be news on this, it won't come out til later

 

[Mediocre Man]

Harkless, #15 and #26 for #8 and O'Quinn.

Who at 8? I'd argue Bell, Jackson and Harkless are more valuable than O'Quinn and whoever at 8

 

[Sarni]

Who at 8? I'd argue Bell, Jackson and Harkless are more valuable than O'Quinn and whoever at 8

If Isaac falls there, it makes sense. If he doesn't, it doesn't make any.

 

[TBpup]

If Isaac falls there, it makes sense. If he doesn't, it doesn't make any.

There are some things to like about Isaac but on the flip side, he doesn't have NBA 3-pt range yet, is very thin and I wonder how the asthma thing gets treated as he plays longer minutes against physically tougher competition?

 

[Denny Crane]

I like Mo, but we have ET, Crabbe, and Aminu who can handle the SF spot fine, if not just as good. He's a decent two-way player, but his salary off the books would keep us out of the LT, or at least close to out of it.

 

[Sarni]

There are some things to like about Isaac but on the flip side, he doesn't have NBA 3-pt range yet, is very thin and I wonder how the asthma thing gets treated as he plays longer minutes against physically tougher competition?

He's the only SF prospect in top 10 who may fall to #8. Tatum and Jackson are not falling there and I don't want to trade up to take a guard. That's why #8 is not so appealing to me, I don't see much value in it because they players we might like who will go above us (Zach Collins is the only one that comes to my mind though) should also be available at #10 or #11 even.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Dont we already have a thread on this topic?

 

[blue9]

I like Mo, but we have ET, Crabbe, and Aminu who can handle the SF spot fine, if not just as good. He's a decent two-way player, but his salary off the books would keep us out of the LT, or at least close to out of it.

Of all the players named only Harkless has a reasonable salary AND adequate skills. Aside from the obvious, Harkless should be the LAST player we trade - no obtainable draft pick will be better than him any time soon, if ever. And the savings of ~$8M isn't nearly enough to make any sort of difference. We'd be much better off trading Aminu or Ed for a 2nd rounder if we want to cut ~$8M from payroll.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Dont we already have a thread on this topic?

At least 3 different threads.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Reep]

Of all the players named only Harkless has a reasonable salary AND adequate skills. Aside from the obvious, Harkless should be the LAST player we trade - no obtainable draft pick will be better than him any time soon, if ever. And the savings of ~$8M isn't nearly enough to make any sort of difference. We'd be much better off trading Aminu or Ed for a 2nd rounder if we want to cut ~$8M from payroll.

I like Harkless a lot, and even have a signed jersey. But, some realities:

1) It would be better for the team to trade Harkless and get value back (a pick?) than it would be to give away a pick to get rid of Crabbe. The team is better with the Harkless trade. Crabbe + draft pick > Harkless - draft pick.
2) Harkless is a great athlete, but he is entering Meyers territory in terms of having all the opportunity anyone could want, and not breaking out the way we would hope. He is still young, and if we keep him I hope he does because I really like his game. But, so far that hasn't happened consistently. He may never get there, and if he doesn't, then trading him now would be a good move.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If Isaac falls there, it makes sense. If he doesn't, it doesn't make any.

And the Blazers don't have to make the trade until they know who is available. And if they don't have to give NY more than 15, then maybe they try to trade up a little more with their other two picks.

 

[blue9]

I like Harkless a lot, and even have a signed jersey. But, some realities:

1) It would be better for the team to trade Harkless and get value back (a pick?) than it would be to give away a pick to get rid of Crabbe. The team is better with the Harkless trade. Crabbe + draft pick > Harkless - draft pick.
2) Harkless is a great athlete, but he is entering Meyers territory in terms of having all the opportunity anyone could want, and not breaking out the way we would hope. He is still young, and if we keep him I hope he does because I really like his game. But, so far that hasn't happened consistently. He may never get there, and if he doesn't, then trading him now would be a good move.

First off - I never said ANYTHING about sending out a pick to dump Crabbe. That would be absurdly stupid!
Secondly, Harkless had a pretty good year he just had a disappointing Playoffs. Especially going back to when we got Nurk. But even if Harkless doesn't improve at all, he's good enough for what he's being paid.

 

[illmatic99]

If we're trying to trade Moe for a pick, we must have another team ready to help us consolidate. 4 first rounders for either a player or a HIGH draft pick?

 

[Denny Crane]

Of all the players named only Harkless has a reasonable salary AND adequate skills. Aside from the obvious, Harkless should be the LAST player we trade - no obtainable draft pick will be better than him any time soon, if ever. And the savings of ~$8M isn't nearly enough to make any sort of difference. We'd be much better off trading Aminu or Ed for a 2nd rounder if we want to cut ~$8M from payroll.

We're at $137M without making any moves.

We cut Ezeli loose and the two non-guaranteed contracts and we're down to $128M. Save another ~$8M (it's closer to $10M at $9.7M) and we're down to ~$120M by your numbers. The LT is $122M.

$4M to use on the draft picks' salaries without paying the LT is a pretty big deal.

I'm fine with trading Davis and/or Aminu. But I don't think Harkless is even close to an elite SF in this league at either end of the floor. SF is a position where we could use a serious upgrade.

 

[Stevenson]

We're at $137M without making any moves.
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Oh, are "we"?

 

[Denny Crane]

I like Harkless a lot, and even have a signed jersey. But, some realities:

1) It would be better for the team to trade Harkless and get value back (a pick?) than it would be to give away a pick to get rid of Crabbe. The team is better with the Harkless trade. Crabbe + draft pick > Harkless - draft pick.
2) Harkless is a great athlete, but he is entering Meyers territory in terms of having all the opportunity anyone could want, and not breaking out the way we would hope. He is still young, and if we keep him I hope he does because I really like his game. But, so far that hasn't happened consistently. He may never get there, and if he doesn't, then trading him now would be a good move.

Exactly. But I wouldn't be upset in the least if we kept Mo.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh, are "we"?

Yes WE are.

 

[Reep]

Exactly. But I wouldn't be upset in the least if we kept Mo.

Me too. He is one of my favorite players. I just want to see him get a bit more aggressive. He looks like he has the tools to be really amazing, but something is holding him back.

 

[Natebishop3]

Mo played well with Nurk. He was one of the best at cutting to the hoop.